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What kind of idiot would think that this software is a good idea? Why don't you all go back to windows if you're so interested in installing garbage like this

Must be the same crowd that responds to spam mail
 
While you may not have yet encountered problems with it, enough people have that it remains to be prudent to avoid this app. With so many reporting problems, it's not wise to take the risk, especially with much safer, more reputable apps available free, like Onyx.

just deleted the app thanks to your post GGJ. thanks
 
I've had it free up major space sometimes and haven't run into any problems.
Do you think it's not worth it for even this reason? I am curious about MainMenu Pro as well?

What do you think?
Read post #25 and #22, as well as the rest of this thread. I highly recommend to anyone that they uninstall it.
 
Use it. Great app. No problems. Although I hear it was problematic in 2009 :D
No, don't use it! While the thread I quoted started in 2009, the most recent problem reported was July, 2011. There are also many other recent reports of problems with this app, in this forum and elsewhere.

Since your first two posts in the forum are to endorse this app, I question your credibility. My motivation is to offer sound advice for Mac users with problems, whereas your motivation appears to be solely to promote an app, since you haven't offered anyone help on any other issues.
 
No, don't use it! While the thread I quoted started in 2009, the most recent problem reported was July, 2011. There are also many other recent reports of problems with this app, in this forum and elsewhere.

Since your first two posts in the forum are to endorse this app, I question your credibility. My motivation is to offer sound advice for Mac users with problems, whereas your motivation appears to be solely to promote an app, since you haven't offered anyone help on any other issues.
Oh right, so I've got to help people before I can put forth an opinion? Funny stuff.

My 2 posts are more aimed at the laughable slating of a product with the sole evidence being a two year old thread. Sure, there may be more threads out there, but you and others take great pride in showing how poor this product is by linking to said old thread.

That thread was also made irrelevant within said thread because a support rep announced it had been patched in a forthcoming release (which happened over 2 years ago).

I applaud the help you give to people in this forum, but, if you have such strong views on subjects, you're going to get people that will throw the other side of the argument in to the debate, especially when you base your hatred on such flaky evidence.
 
My 2 posts are more aimed at the laughable slating of a product with the sole evidence being a two year old thread. Sure, there may be more threads out there, but you and others take great pride in showing how poor this product is by linking to said old thread.
That thread is not the sole evidence, and I clearly state that it is an example. Also, that thread started in 2009 but there are posts through Aug, 2011.
That thread was also made irrelevant within said thread because a support rep announced it had been patched in a forthcoming release (which happened over 2 years ago).
That thread is quite relevant, as it also contains a detailed discussion about the ineffectiveness of other features of the app. It really helps if you read the entire thread, not just a few posts.
I applaud the help you give to people in this forum, but, if you have such strong views on subjects, you're going to get people that will throw the other side of the argument in to the debate, especially when you base your hatred on such flaky evidence.
I have no "hatred" of any app. I don't get emotional about software. Either it performs well and does the job, or it doesn't. The evidence about this app indicates it isn't to be trusted. With free alternatives that don't have such a spotty reputation, spending money on this app just doesn't make sense.

And since you wanted more recent evidence, this is a very small sampling of reports about CleanMyMac:
Dec 4, 2011 I had CleanMyMac and deleted it because it was too aggressive.
Sep 4, 2011 I'm using a 3.1 i5 quad core 27" iMac, with Lion.

Everything has been fine since I got it last week but I installed CleanMyMac and ran a few scans and after that I tried to move some files I downloaded off my desktop into another folder I created where I keep all mt stuff.

Now everytime I try and move or copy a file into that folder I get an ERROR 0
Jul 20, 2011 My friend just called me up, her MBP is screwed up because of this software. The system fonts are all screwed up, there is NO dock even with the application running in Activity Monitor, and she cant install Lion because of God knows what else this program broke. STAY AWAY from cleanmymac!!
Oct 14, 2010 After running CleanMyMac for the first time, my Illustrator CS5 now takes about 15 minutes to open or save a file. I tried a fix I found online to turn off create pdf compatible file in permissions but this flattened the file! So now my only option is to reinstall.
Also deleted a folder I hadn't yet backed up, left a shortcut (zero KB) in it's place. Also couldn't seem to stop it from deleting languages once it had started to clean that. I didn't see that was checked. I'm running a 6 month old machine that's running worse than my 2003 G4!!!! In fact yesterday I had to use the G4 to complete a project on time. NOT a happy camper at this point and I'm not too technically advanced, so I'm really lost....
Aug 4, 2010 I've used CleanMyMac too and have to say trying to save a couple of GB isn't worth losing stuff on your system.
From MacUpdate.com:
RudiBond replied on 29 Jul 2011
I tend to agree. I ran it on my iMac (Snow Leopard) and it messed the entire System Software up. Had to get the entire Drive restored from Time Machine.
Capoeira4u reviewed on 03 Jun 2011
This app messed up my Mac running 10.6.7!

Just-Annutha-Dewd reviewed on 18 Apr 2011
Documentation within the app is very poor. For example… it has an option to clean "System Junk" with no explanation of what that so-called junk is. I dropped a random folder consisting solely of icon graphic files (pngs, gifs) on it and it told me how much space it would save me out of that folder. It doesn't indicate WHAT this so-called junk is. More likely, it's resource forks that OS X will have to rebuild once deleted. There's certainly nothing unusual revealed when I browse the hidden files in that folder.

On top of all this, I've read many accounts in various forums where people have had issues with CMM ruining their systems in various ways. Given my example above, I'm not entirely surprised. I simply can't recommend this app. It's too expensive, poorly documented, and generally seems to meet the criteria for FUDWare in the way it's heavily hyped yet delivers very little.
mtlx replied on 23 Jul 2011
I also agree with you Just-Annutha-Dewd, CleanMyMac made my original system's wallpapers to disappear. As a result I don't have any wallpapers left.
Of course, it's not CleanMyMac which has removed my wallpapers folders... I did the action. But I did it by following advices of CleanMyMac like you did ... "clean junk files will save XX Go on your system".
Finally it's not so important for me to have or not original system's wallpapers. I don't really care. But I'm afraid that this beautiful crapy software would (has already ?) erase other important system's files :-(
Zo219 replied on 15 Aug 2011
Very experienced Mac user here—and my feedback is that this app allows you to wipe out important files, and way too easily.

Can't be trusted.
 
As I said, that's just a sampling, and 8 of the 10 posts were within the last year. They are all relevant, as they relate to the app in question.
Relate, but hardly go in to any detail.

Your post sounds like someone trying to justify/promote an app, being defensive and dismissing real reports of real problems made by people who have used it, rather than taking an unbiased view.
I dismiss things like "its too aggressive" or bland reasonings that don't explain the issues they've had and also anything that has been superceded by a number of updates, hence my reference to so few in the last 6 months. So far, user error is all I've seen.

Again with the accusations. I like a product, doesn't mean I'm shilling. I like Final Cut Pro and Logic Studio, can someone give me that for free, I'm shilling again.

There are a large number of new Mac users who wouldn't appreciate being called names, as you have done.
So I take it we pick and choose when to be touchy on these forums?

What kind of idiot would think that this software is a good idea? Why don't you all go back to windows if you're so interested in installing garbage like this

Must be the same crowd that responds to spam mail
Ah, but he was agreeing with you, hence the skipping over that post. ;)
 
Relate, but hardly go in to any detail.
I don't dismiss the fact that someone had a problem, simply because of the level of detail they provide in a post.
I dismiss things like "its too aggressive" or bland reasonings that don't explain the issues they've had
I don't dismiss them, as they're not required to provide some minimum level of detail or explanation to prove that they had a problem.
Again with the accusations. I like a product, doesn't mean I'm shilling.
I didn't accuse. I said "your post sounds like....", which it does. Also, a person can be a shill without receiving compensation.
Ah, but he was agreeing with you, hence the skipping over that post. ;)
I don't respond to every single post in a thread, nor am I obligated to. I don't approve of calling anyone an idiot, regardless of what their views are.

Enough of this pointless bickering. If you want to continue to use the app, do so. I will continue to warn users that doing so may cause problems. It's up to each user to decide for themselves.
 
Again, look at the dates on those posts. Only 2 or 3 are recent and relevant, but then you look at the statements, all very vague and subjective and no actual reasoning behind them.

"Too aggressive"

I mean, what, did it try and attack the user with a mouse lead? You've got to laugh at that statement.

From my experience of using it, you have a list of things that it brings up and asks if you want to remove them, be it caches or iOS installs/backups or whatever. You can then select what to remove.

If its removed something, its user error. Much like anything that dabbles with things like this, if you are a numpty, don't use it. I'm not, so its a great piece of software to streamline getting rid of stuff that you'd normally have to trawl through. Yes, I'm lazy, but not a numpty.
You joined this forum this month. GGJstudios joined 4 years ago. I joined 9.5 years ago. I am in complete agreement with GGJstudios and in complete disagreement with you. I don't know how long either GGJstudios or you have been Mac users, but I have been a Mac user since 1989--23 years. My work and my life are literally on my Macs. As such, I do everything that I can to ensure that my Mac is working properly. When System 6 through MacOS 9 ruled the day, I had no qualms about purchasing reputable maintenance software. With MacOS X, however, maintenance software is not necessary--at least, you do not need to purchase it. Symantec dropped its MacOS X maintenance software because it is not necessary. As GGJstudios correctly stated, MacOS X takes care of itself. In the unlikely event that non-routine maintenance is needed, the most effective software is the built-in File System Check command line utility run in Single User Mode. The freeware Onyx once every year or two assures you that your caches have no obsolete data. However, I don't run Onyx unless I have a problem that I suspect that it can fix. The last time I ran Onyx had been more than two years after the time before that.

The most effective routine maintenance measure that a user can take is not to do anything stupid. Even Onyx, which has a stellar reputation within the Mac community, is a GUI on top of standard UNIX maintenance tasks. Claims by developers that their utilities perform necessary maintenance can be dismissed as lies. There are two or three exceptions:
  1. TechTools Pro--Its sibling TechTools Deluxe is included with AppleCare.
  2. Disk Warrior--The most effective data recovery tool this side of a professional recovery service.
  3. Data Rescue--Professional file recovery-level file recovery utility.
Notice that none of these are routine maintenance tools. They are really emergency tools. Running an emergency tool during a non-emergency is a waste of time.

Claims by users that routine maintenance tools are effective can be attributed to the "Placebo Effect." Insistence that routine maintenance tools are effective on MacOS X raises the suspicion that the claimant is shilling for the utility.
 
You joined this forum this month. GGJstudios joined 4 years ago. I joined 9.5 years ago.
I've been lurking for 10years, does that get me a cookie?

I am in complete agreement with GGJstudios and in complete disagreement with you.
Complete disagreement with me about what? That I said a program was good or not? Opinions are like aholes. Everyones got one and they all stink.

The most effective routine maintenance measure that a user can take is not to do anything stupid.
As I've already stated.

Even Onyx, which has a stellar reputation within the Mac community, is a GUI on top of standard UNIX maintenance tasks. Claims by developers that their utilities perform necessary maintenance can be dismissed as lies.
Depends what you class as necessary.

There are two or three exceptions:
  1. TechTools Pro--Its sibling TechTools Deluxe is included with AppleCare.
  2. Disk Warrior--The most effective data recovery tool this side of a professional recovery service.
  3. Data Rescue--Professional file recovery-level file recovery utility.
Shilling? ;)

Cleanmymac comes with a free trial, which I used, liked what it did (time saver) over a period of a few weeks, so supported the developer and purchased said product. I could, if I wanted to, do everything that it does manually, but I'd rather waste my time doing something less productive (like lurk forums for over a decade) and leave a piece of software do it for me for a small one off fee, which in my opinion, is worth every penny.

Its not a 100% necessary program, but its a damn good time saver. [/shill]
 
I've been lurking for 10years, does that get me a cookie?
You've been lurking for 10 years and just now register to jump in this discussion, when this topic has been beaten to death in countless threads over the years? If you feel so strongly about this, where were you when the 2009 thread was new? I'm not buying it!
Cleanmymac comes with a free trial
... whereas other apps with better reputations are simply free. Period.
I could, if I wanted to, do everything that it does manually
You don't even need to do what it does manually, as nothing it does is required or recommended. Mac OS X can maintain itself quite well without 3rd party software of any kind. The only thing it can do is clear some disk space, which has zero effect on performance, and it doesn't even do that as well as other methods. It is inefficient at complete app removal, not as trusted as other apps for other tasks, costs money and has the potential of creating problems for some users.

Apps like this appeal to people switching from Windows, who are used to having to run maintenance apps and utilities to keep some Windows systems running efficiently. While there may be a place for some such apps in the Windows world, they're useless in Mac OS X, and certainly not worth wasting money on.
 
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I worked on *NIX systems even way back on Multics and *NIX is very good at taking care of itself. Apps like CleanMyMac try to automate things that are better not automated.
 
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Depends what you class as necessary.

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Since I used the term, I feel that it is important that you understand what I mean by necessary. In the context that I was using the term, necessary is that which is required to recover data loss or to allow the computer to operate.
 
You've been lurking for 10 years and just now register to jump in this discussion, when this topic has been beaten to death in countless threads over the years? If you feel so strongly about this, where were you when the 2009 thread was new? I'm not buying it!
Serious bunch around here, lol

It was purely my way of showing how irrelevant (and laughable) your tenure on a forum is when it comes to discussing a topic. But, you guys seem to dig it, which is all good.

Now gimme my god damn cookie. :D

You don't even need to do what it does manually, as nothing it does is required or recommended. Mac OS X can maintain itself quite well without 3rd party software of any kind. The only thing it can do is clear some disk space, which has zero effect on performance, and it doesn't even do that as well as other methods. It is inefficient at complete app removal, not as trusted as other apps for other tasks, costs money and has the potential of creating problems for some users.

Apps like this appeal to people switching from Windows, who are used to having to run maintenance apps and utilities to keep some Windows systems running efficiently. While there may be a place for some such apps in the Windows world, they're useless in Mac OS X, and certainly not worth wasting money on.
I like the fact that it removes stuff that is not needed. About 20GB of crap so far, which I wouldn't have wasted my time looking for. So thats 20GB for more porn *ahem* I mean for documents and photos etc.

I worked on *NIX systems even way back on Multics and *NIX is very good at taking care of itself. Apps like CleanMyMac try to automate things that are better not automated.
Its automated me some free space that I wouldn't have been bothered to look for. If space was at a premium, which it is, then its worth it. Oh and I'm not dumb enough to remove something that is needed.

Since I used the term, I feel that it is important that you understand what I mean by necessary. In the context that I was using the term, necessary is that which is required to recover data loss or to allow the computer to operate.
As already stated, its recovered a sizeable amount of space for me, which, while not an ultra important issue, is an issue that I would normally have to spend time on, instead of a couple of quick clicks.



In closing, its a great product. Can't speak highly enough about it. :)
 
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Its automated me some free space that I wouldn't have been bothered to look for. If space was at a premium, which it is, then its worth it. Oh and I'm not dumb enough to remove something that is needed.


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The problem that many users experience is that it removes stuff that is needed. If you are smart enough to prevent this, then you are also smart enough to locate unnecessary files and remove them without CleanMyMac's help. This means that CleanMyMac is an unnecessary investment in time and money.

A bit of advice: You have run into an impenetrable wall of experience and knowledge on this subject. For a change of pace, why don't you advocate your favorite antivirus utility for MacOS X?
 
A bit of advice: You have run into an impenetrable wall of experience and knowledge on this subject. For a change of pace, why don't you advocate your favorite antivirus utility for MacOS X?
Too funny! :D
 
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I myself have tried this and didn't really notice any difference. I have just the free version. Once in a while when I download something it will say that its "cleaning" the download before installing but its rare.

Meanwhile , has anybody tired "iboostup" its in the mac app store. Just wondering if anybody has tired or had success with this?

Thanks
 
In closing, its a great product. Can't speak highly enough about it.


I have used Cleanmymac twice once in 2009 and 2011. Both times it has caused me nothing but trouble because it cleaned out binaries and language files which caused some apps of mine not to function.

Also GGJStudios has so far been only helpful so far and provided unbiased statements while you seem to be the only one defending a product that has been causing trouble for more people than for people who had no trouble---interesting heh?
 
The problem that many users experience is that it removes stuff that is needed. If you are smart enough to prevent this, then you are also smart enough to locate unnecessary files and remove them without CleanMyMac's help. This means that CleanMyMac is an unnecessary investment in time and money.
I'm gonna be good to you now and give you a maths and economics lesson in one go.

Time = Money

Cleanmymac removes crap I'd have to search for.

Searching for stuff to remove = Time = -Money

Cleanmymac = Click button = Time Saved = +Money

Problem here is that one of my previous posts was flagged as trolling. Some sensitive people on here haha. Anyway, in that post, I did state that I'm a lazy b*****d, so if something can do stuff for me I'm all for it.

A bit of advice: You have run into an impenetrable wall of experience and knowledge on this subject. For a change of pace, why don't you advocate your favorite antivirus utility for MacOS X?
Some advice in return, I'm a stubborn and obnoxious prick, so don't get too wound up with some of my responses. You're nearly at 10yrs where you must get a golden icon or something :D
OOH! I know, Golden cookie, OH YES!

Oh and for Antivirus, you'd have to have all of them running, just to be safe ;)

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I have used Cleanmymac twice once in 2009 and 2011. Both times it has caused me nothing but trouble because it cleaned out binaries and language files which caused some apps of mine not to function.

Also GGJStudios has so far been only helpful so far and provided unbiased statements while you seem to be the only one defending a product that has been causing trouble for more people than for people who had no trouble---interesting heh?
I think you've glossed over this and looked at the shiny 3yr and 9.5yr badges my opposition have donned on their chest.

I said I liked it and its not caused me any problems, to which I got jumped on, and me being me, I responded and got some people's backs up. Yours included. Even got me some warnings for trolling, go me!

If my post was taken as it should have been, an opinion on a product, all good, but apparently stating a product is good is frowned upon unless people agree with that. Didn't realise this was the MacDictatorship forum ;)
 
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