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Clearing Inventory for 'radically different' 3G iPhone?

I really am pumped for a 3G iPhone, I've wanted an iPhone since it's introduction and settled for a Touch, but there are too many situations where I feel limited by Wi-Fi, and just miss the 24/7 connectivity a good phone offers.

I'm hoping for a better camera and see it as very possible, don't really care much about a second. Don't care for a physical keyboard as I feel I type better then I do with some of the better smartphone keyboards.

I'd like GPS, but again I'd be alright with the cell phone locate me.

My most wanted feature is probably tethering to a laptop. This is one of the true advantages of 3G phones, sure the iPhone has a lot of nice internet features that are great in terms of mobile, but there are times where I just want to use a full screen laptop where I don't have a Wi-Fi connection.
 
bbplayer5 said:
No way. They will not modify the phone THAT much. Why change a good thing? Make it thinner maybe, slightly bigger screen... thats about it.
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Agreed. The whole "luster" of the iPhone is the touch capabilities. Take that away and I don't think it will be as popular. The iPhone now is just about perfect aesthetic-wise. I think that it's plenty thin...

A bigger screen would make typing SMS messages easier and with less mistakes but it's not really that big a deal to me.

I really hope that Apple doesn't make the iPhone a flip phone, and I don't think they will. What they have is convenient and awesome looking. Flip phones aren't as special anymore. The iPhone wouldn't seem so revolutionary to me as a flip. Maybe just because I don't like flip phones :p
Plus, I am planning on getting the rumored 3G iPhone come May or June or whenever, providing it is within the next 6-8 months. I love the iPhone now and if Apple keeps the appearance the way it is and just adds the 3G, then I will be one happy camper :)
 
cheekybobcat said:
Agreed. The whole "luster" of the iPhone is the touch capabilities. Take that away and I don't think it will be as popular. The iPhone now is just about perfect aesthetic-wise. I think that it's plenty thin...

A bigger screen would make typing SMS messages easier and with less mistakes but it's not really that big a deal to me.

I really hope that Apple doesn't make the iPhone a flip phone, and I don't think they will. What they have is convenient and awesome looking. Flip phones aren't as special anymore. The iPhone wouldn't seem so revolutionary to me as a flip. Maybe just because I don't like flip phones :p
Plus, I am planning on getting the rumored 3G iPhone come May or June or whenever, providing it is within the next 6-8 months. I love the iPhone now and if Apple keeps the appearance the way it is and just adds the 3G, then I will be one happy camper :)
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I agree. IMO, Apple would be a fool to change the iPhone into a flip phone. That would make the screen a lot smaller, and go against everything Apple praised as revolutionary. And really, who wants a flip phone? People have moved onto sliders/candy bar, which offer more screen space, and a sturdier build.
 
we appreciate the effort

Phil A. said:
OK, very quick and dirty photoshop job, but I think this would work for iPhone V2. I do agree, however, that there is not much chance of an iPhone featuring a keyboard after the way Jobs lambasted them in the launch keynote :)
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sorry mate... but EW!
 
cheekybobcat said:
Agreed. The whole "luster" of the iPhone is the touch capabilities. Take that away and I don't think it will be as popular.
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the thing is, it's not that popular! even in the us now after the first hype, the sales haven't been that great, not to mention europe, where it just does not sell in any significant number. or asia, where apple haven't found any operator willing to take the phone in their catalog.
 
sjo said:
the thing is, it's not that popular! even in the us now after the first hype, the sales haven't been that great, not to mention europe, where it just does not sell in any significant number. or asia, where apple haven't found any operator willing to take the phone in their catalog.
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What I have seen it is.

While in Mission Viejo, I noticed that 6 out of 10 (Im just guessing....) people had an iPhone.

I was jealous.
 
sjo said:
the thing is, it's not that popular! even in the us now after the first hype, the sales haven't been that great, not to mention europe, where it just does not sell in any significant number. or asia, where apple haven't found any operator willing to take the phone in their catalog.
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There are tons of grey inventory iPhones floating around China loaded with hacked software. Tons. To the tune of one million+.

The Japanese market is slow in accepting new products and doesn't necessarily want to give Apple any leeway in the market until they can ready their own competition.
 
Jobs was also criticizing two button mouses, but then had to give in to their advantage. So there's no reason to think that he could change his mind on Iphone features.

A clear example for this is the Iphone in Italy. It has been announced today in UMTS version WITHOUT revenue sharing and exclusivity. Apple simply identified the least competitive markets first (USA, Germany, UK) where he could squeeze some money from helpless customers that would among other things try the beta. Once Steve felt the product was mature for the big world, he would bring the better version without contract limitations. The first ripped off customers are left the pay two years premium fees to finance Apple's beta program.
 
Future Blues said:
There are tons of grey inventory iPhones floating around China loaded with hacked software. Tons. To the tune of one million+.
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the problem with this theory is that if you assume a significant # of iphones shipped away from the us, it makes the us sales #s look even worse. and even with that assumption the # of iphones outside the us is insignificant.

Future Blues said:
The Japanese market is slow in accepting new products and doesn't necessarily want to give Apple any leeway in the market until they can ready their own competition.
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what are you smoking? the japanese market remains the most advanced cell phone market on planet.

bbbensen said:
What I have seen it is.

While in Mission Viejo, I noticed that 6 out of 10 (Im just guessing....) people had an iPhone.

I was jealous.
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it's not a matter of seeing, the sales information is available.
 
Re: Japan market...Future Blues is right

sjo said:
the problem with this theory is that if you assume a significant # of iphones shipped away from the us, it makes the us sales #s look even worse. and even with that assumption the # of iphones outside the us is insignificant.



what are you smoking? the japanese market remains the most advanced cell phone market on planet.



it's not a matter of seeing, the sales information is available.
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Well, I'm not smoking anything. I've had to try to get patents and products into Japan. They are deliberately very, very, very slow in allowing outside products into Japan, in order to protect their own inventors and manufacturers. The patent office even provides patent details to Japanese companies to allow them to copy outside intellectual property prior to approval (yes, I do have facts to support this). The fact that you think they have the most advanced cell phone market probably just shows that they fast-track their own and block others.
 
I read in Market Ticker Forums that there is s huge inventory in the EU
and yet, always out of stock here.
Not selling too well in Europe, so ship 'em back over here
 
princigalli said:
Jobs was also criticizing two button mouses, but then had to give in to their advantage. So there's no reason to think that he could change his mind on Iphone features.

A clear example for this is the Iphone in Italy. It has been announced today in UMTS version WITHOUT revenue sharing and exclusivity. Apple simply identified the least competitive markets first (USA, Germany, UK) where he could squeeze some money from helpless customers that would among other things try the beta. Once Steve felt the product was mature for the big world, he would bring the better version without contract limitations. The first ripped off customers are left the pay two years premium fees to finance Apple's beta program.
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The US market is a very competitive one. Verizon Wireless said no to Apple --- that's the first evidence. The US iphone plan is a second evidence --- the US iphone plan is a regular price AT&T voice plan plus a regular price AT&T WAP plan. AT&T ate the iphone tax themselves --- that's how competitive the US market is.
 
What if ... two screens ?

bbplayer5 said:
No way. They will not modify the phone THAT much. Why change a good thing? Make it thinner maybe, slightly bigger screen... thats about it.
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I agree that the current form is very nice.

But, what if we had a magnetic, horizontal clamshell
with a high-def OLED video screen lid, and a
horizontal, lower-def screen that can be the multi-touch input device: sometime huge, full keyboard; sometime game controller of any type; sometime iCal menu; etc. ?

I just hope Apple loses the weak phone speaker and puts the louder bottom speaker
in its place to fire forward on video playback and speaker-phone use as well as to give us plenty of volume when held to the ear, in a noisy street environment.

---gooddog
 
sjo said:
the problem with this theory is that if you assume a significant # of iphones shipped away from the us, it makes the us sales #s look even worse. and even with that assumption the # of iphones outside the us is insignificant.

what are you smoking? the japanese market remains the most advanced cell phone market on planet.

it's not a matter of seeing, the sales information is available.
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Let me guess, you read it on Digg so it must be true?

I live in Japan, friend. I have a contract with DoCoMo. I have a cell phone that talks to coke machines and scans barcodes. Sure, my cell phone is thin, but besides that, there's nothing compelling in the package. I can't turn off advertisements from my carrier (yes, I get spam from my cell phone company in the "service messages" section of my phone) or access the internet beyond DoCoMo's little "fake Japanese internet" barrier called iMode. This is the norm. It's not advanced. It's a travesty. Going on two years experience (as a consumer) in this market with about 10 years of experience (again, as a consumer and tech buff) in the American market. Cell phones here are not the end all and be all, and in fact, in addition to what's already been said about anti-competitive practices in the JPO (I can't confirm it, but it doesn't strike me as outrageous), cell phones here are just not as advanced as people are led to believe by all the sheep-like baying and repeating of the same myths on the internet. I'm not going to bother reiterating myself-- it's all in that post I linked, but there is a good reason why DoCoMo completely and utterly failed to breach international markets when it attempted to muscle local carriers out of their entrenched positions-- the Japanese market, both tech-wise and mindshare-wise is a completely different beast that can't easily be compared to anything other than a fantastic monopoly where customers neither have, nor want any compelling choices.
 
I think the second-generation iPhone will not only have 3G HSDPA support, but also will remind people of the LG Voyager phone available for Verizon Wireless customers. It will be available in 16 GB and 32 GB versions, and we'll see a new version of iTunes (Version 8.0) that will support the features of this new iPhone (along with the new iPod models coming out in September 2008).
 
Ryon said:
How could a flip/clamshell design possibly allow the screen to be larger? That may be true vs. regular candybar-style phones, which have to make room for keypads, but in the iPhone's case, it already takes up almost all available room with the screen. A flip version would either have to be HUGE, or it would have a SMALLER screen.

I call shenanigans.
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I second!
 
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