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Depending on what the OP does it may well do. Heck, Plenty of Mac Users I know are still happy with their first generation AlBook G4s from 2003.... and those are easily outclassed by a Current MacBook Air.
Agree, OP said that they were going pre-med... it's not like the OP will be taking specialized courses in parallel computing. Most of the work will be writing chem or bio lab reports.

It all depends on what you want, OP...

If you want to be fully future-proofed, then by all means, get the 15" quad... just be prepared to sacrifice a degree of portability.

If you want a compromise between portability AND screen real estate: 13" MBP + external monitor.

If you want the ultimate in portability: refreshed Air (can still spring for an external monitor too).
 
I am a medstudent, so I feel I can help the OP out a little bit. I have some points that I want to make, and that are simply my opinion. This isn't a fact by any means, simply the way I look at it.

#1) People overestimate what they need. In most cases you will end up studying by powerpoints, notes you took, and books. So all-in-all, you will need not huge power on your laptop.

#2) The MBP 15'' is overkill for your needs, a lot heavier than the MBA / MBP13'', and will not futureproof you either. In 4 years even the high end 17'' MBP won't be up-to-date. That does not mean, however, that it cannot work perfectly well. My laptop is a 4-year old 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo, and if it wasn't for its GPU issues, driver issues, 1h-battery life and 3Kg of weight, I'd keep it for 4 years more. So don't worry about getting what's best for future proofing. Worry about getting what fits your current needs the best, and what you think will make your life easier for the next 4 years. From what I read, you need a reasonable ammount of power for editing, keeping in budget, but also have a portable machine. IMO the 13'' MBP is the right thing for you. Curiously enough, it's also what I am aiming to buy in the near future.

#3) I would advise you to get an iPad. I do not have one, but I have posts of people here who describe it as a wonderful workin tool. I'd advise you to search for the posts of username Palpatine on MR. He makes some amazingly good points. So good, that it will probably be my next purchase, after my future Macbook Pro. His description of how he almost completely replaced a ton of books and notes for a single device is the best marketing Apple could ever have for me.

#4) Buy a good backpack. You will be carrying books, notes, and possibly a Macbook Air/Pro from time to time. Don't get one that has one single strip on your shoulders. Try to get one that really distributes the weight evenly, so as to minimize back pain.

#5) Get an external drive. I have never had my drive fail on me, but if I did, I'd be screwed. You don't want to lose a research paper - which takes months, sometimes years to make - and have no backup of it. Nor you want to lose your notes. Or anything at all.


I hope I helped! ;)

Good luck for college!
 
as a college student starting this fall...

I bought the fully loaded 15"... it's REALLY thin. It's a little big screen size wise.. but not overly too much. My toshiba that is a 15".. feels WAY bigger than my MBP. I recommend it. It it fully loaded with the higher res screen... and 8GB ram.. it's a powerhouse. The 13" is pretty cool too. My friend has the 2011 MBP basic. It's not as fast.. but still good enough. If screen size is your main concern.. save the money and get an external monitor for your dorm room. My major is Computer Engineering BTW.
 
If staying on-campus, I would not buy a printer until you see if there are enough printers close to your room. You might very well get away without buying one.
 
If staying on-campus, I would not buy a printer until you see if there are enough printers close to your room. You might very well get away without buying one.

Sometimes you just need to print something quick, and don't have time to log into a campus computer and hope that the printers have paper! I know I really liked having a printer in my room. The computer lab in my dorm wasn't open 24/7 and when it was open it was full, and you would be lucky if they had the printer stocked on paper. Trust me, if you need to print things for class or to study, it is best to have your own printer just in case.
 
Chances are, since you're a med student, that there will be dedicated computer labs only for med students.

I did my undergrad at Ohio State and there were dedicated labs for graduate students only, be it business or otherwise.

Check into that.

For all of the time that I spent on campus, I never needed my own printer.

I would suggest getting a 13 in MBP instead of a 15. when I started college I thought that a 15 would be fine, but soon realized after I started lugging the thing around campus that smaller and lighter was better. It's better to have a work horse of a computer for a desktop if you need it, or just use an external monitor.

Purchase an external for backing up your machine.

Ultimately you are the only one who can decide what you want or think you need. 4gb ram will be more than enough though for you I think.

If you get an external monitor for your MBP think of getting an Mstand or a bookarc for use while hooked up to the monitor, possibly even a henge dock.

Wait to make a decision until about 2 weeks before you start med school. By that time hopefully all of the new machines will have been released and you can make the best informed decision.

All of that being said, I am starting a one year grad program at IU for a masters in accounting. I have purchased the new iMac as in my signature and will probably get a MBA once they are refreshed but can't say that until they are released and I assess the specs and my needs at that time.
 
For the printer- Get one of the HP 8500A series. All in one, under $40 for 2,200 black & white pages, copy, scan. If you are scanning your handwritten notes you can throw them on the auto document feeder and scan direct to your flash drive or computer.

Mac- Get the best that you can afford. The 15" MBP is a good combo of power & portability.

Bag- I know someone suggested messenger bags, but if you walk a lot with one you will get lopsided. I carried a messenger bag instead of a backpack all through college and now have over-developed muscles on my left side. I can't physically carry a bag on my right side anymore. I broke my arm my freshman year and always carried my bag on my left shoulder and then when I would try to put it on my right it was uncomfortable.

Are you going to a community college that doesn't have wireless?
 
My university has wireless internet but many students feel that the wired ethernet connection is much much better, especially in the dorms.
 
My suggestions based on your questions, then my college advice...

1) I own this backpack. Currently retails for $45. College students get a 20% discount on EMS gear; 15% for all other full priced gear. EMS always has sales for the new school year. http://bit.ly/pQLSkb

2) Find the free printers that are scattered along your campus. They are there, you just need to look for them. I own an HP Laserjet 1012 and have only had to replace the toner once. I bought it because of those two times each month that I cannot wait to print something. I found it on CL for $50. If you must, buy a laserjet.

The Apple printer deals are horrendous.

3) Don't buy useless accessories.

4) Forget about future proofing. Buy what you need today, so long as it fits into your budget.

5) If you want to upgrade your RAM or get an SSD, buy it from Microcenter or newegg and install it yourself (find guides at ifixit.com). Make sure you buy a decent screwdriver set too. Apple makes a lot of money on RAM and HDD upgrades.

6) Buy a cheap 500GB SATA and buy a decent USB2 enclosure for it, and use this as your backup drive. Keep your backup drive plugged in whenever you are in your room.



A refurbished 13 MBP with a 24" 1920x1200 monitor would be an excellent choice for you. And well below your $2500 budget. If you are paying in cash, you can put the difference in a CD and use it for your next computer purchase. If it is coming from a loan, return the ~$1500 and be happy that you don't have compound interest working against you for such a trivial purchase.



And now for the unsolicited, but in my opinion, necessary advice:

Don't get caught up in the inane first year ******** most schools spew. Focus on meeting faculty. This is most important: Never ever feel intimidated to approach faculty. By definition, they are teachers, educators... people you learn from. I have only met two professors who had no interest in talking with me during my entire school experience (I've been around academia for awhile...).

I know professors can seem intimidated and they are very, very busy people, but (most) do care about teaching. If they did not care about teaching, they would have chose a research position, not a professorship, which includes a teaching competent.

If your first email goes unanswered, do not be afraid to email again: Sometimes a professor is away for the weekend at a conference, at a retreat (of all sorts, not just religiously based), or even sabbatical. You may or may not get an auto-reply in these circumstances (or others I have not mentioned), a lot of professors are forgetful, especially when it comes to technology. Perhaps your first email ended in their SPAM inbox (it happens all the time!) and they never saw it. Or too much email piled up in their inbox (for whatever reason) and they filtered emails from new contacts to another folder that is meant to be dealt with at a later point (and rarely gets dealt with).

Do not be afraid to make yourself known. Hell, after all, you are paying for your education (and for them to be there). If you can't make scheduled office hours (for whatever reason), email the professor and set up a time (make sure you are there 5 minutes early) and be prepared to wait.

A story: One professor I know tells students that when they come to scheduled office hours (2 hour session once a week) to "bring a book [...] I will stay as long as students want to see me, but be prepared to wait a long time". He regularly stays past 10pm (his weekly office hour is usually from 2-4).

N.B. This advice applies for faculty/researchers at other institutions as well, iff you have good reason to contact them (e.g. your research leads you to one of their papers and you have a question, concern or are interested in collaboration). This shouldn't be an issue in your first year (probably not until thesis time, but possibly earlier).


Finally, do not be afraid to contact professors you aren't taking courses with (or outside of your department). The aforementioned rules apply.





I know I went on and on and on but a lot of students are intimidated to approach professors and they lose out. My wife was one of them. There is no reason to be.

Also, if you ever have any personal problems and it is affecting your work in a specific class, go speak to your professor as soon as possible (skip the TF/TA/whatever). Most likely they will listen and try to help you in your situation, as best they can. Some will even lie to the Registrar's Office/administrators, if they feel like it.

Here's a fairly common example: If grades are due to the Registrar's Office from professors on a certain date and you haven't turned in a portion of the work for a valid reason, viz. death in the family, new mental or physical illness, a chronic illness that took an unexpected turn, etc, a professor and you may reach an agreement for you to agree on a timetable for a guaranteed grade assigned in advance. S/he can never change that grade, whatever s/he decided, and if the administration found out s/he assigned a permanent grade, affirming you earned that grade based on the requirements locked into place with the Registrar's Office, the professor would have a headache to deal with. And if you didn't follow the timeline and the rules established with the professor, I would recommend transferring. You'll learn rather quickly that professors do not always enjoy the administrator's that run the school (you'll see the bureaucracy at work almost immediately).

But if the professor does not know you, it's harder for them to help you (in any way). So, get to know your professors (and other professors of interest) as soon as possible. In sum, do not be nervous.

Hope this helps.


N.B. I read a lot about professors who are not available to students from various sources, everything from college newspaper op-eds (complaining), to "experts"(********ting), to the national media (tiring). And worst, posts on various websites regarding college from kids or parents (uninformed). Supposedly this is rampant at at many schools, including a few where I have studied. Utter ********. Just set up a meeting. I've personally seen faculty talk to students for hours about switching majors into the professor's field but the student has various questions (from personal, to academic to careers/plans afterwards, etc..) I once asked said professor why he would do this (I was pretty shocked, to be frank) and he said "If I can spend an hour or so talking with someone to help them learn physics or to help them figure out where they are going in life, why not? I have plenty of hours for that." Great attitude, I thought, and I try to follow the same principle.


I hope that helps.
 
And now for the unsolicited, but in my opinion, necessary advice:….

Focus on meeting faculty. This is most important: Never ever feel intimidated to approach faculty. …..


I hope that helps.

Just to reinforce what cmm said — it's super advice — perhaps even more important than the choice of laptop :)
 
And now for the unsolicited, but in my opinion, necessary advice:

Don't get caught up in the inane first year ******** most schools spew. Focus on meeting faculty. This is most important: Never ever feel intimidated to approach faculty. By definition, they are teachers, educators... people you learn from. I have only met two professors who had no interest in talking with me during my entire school experience (I've been around academia for awhile...).

I know professors can seem intimidated and they are very, very busy people, but (most) do care about teaching. If they did not care about teaching, they would have chose a research position, not a professorship, which includes a teaching competent.

If your first email goes unanswered, do not be afraid to email again: Sometimes a professor is away for the weekend at a conference, at a retreat (of all sorts, not just religiously based), or even sabbatical. You may or may not get an auto-reply in these circumstances (or others I have not mentioned), a lot of professors are forgetful, especially when it comes to technology. Perhaps your first email ended in their SPAM inbox (it happens all the time!) and they never saw it. Or too much email piled up in their inbox (for whatever reason) and they filtered emails from new contacts to another folder that is meant to be dealt with at a later point (and rarely gets dealt with).

Do not be afraid to make yourself known. Hell, after all, you are paying for your education (and for them to be there). If you can't make scheduled office hours (for whatever reason), email the professor and set up a time (make sure you are there 5 minutes early) and be prepared to wait.

A story: One professor I know tells students that when they come to scheduled office hours (2 hour session once a week) to "bring a book [...] I will stay as long as students want to see me, but be prepared to wait a long time". He regularly stays past 10pm (his weekly office hour is usually from 2-4).

N.B. This advice applies for faculty/researchers at other institutions as well, iff you have good reason to contact them (e.g. your research leads you to one of their papers and you have a question, concern or are interested in collaboration). This shouldn't be an issue in your first year (probably not until thesis time, but possibly earlier).


Finally, do not be afraid to contact professors you aren't taking courses with (or outside of your department). The aforementioned rules apply.

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I can't stress this enough. Be friends with your teachers; more than a student at least. Every single one of my past teachers knows me by name and can spot me out in a crowd. That's what you want. As you progress farther into your college career, your teachers will be of more help to you than to teach you the class information and give you a letter grade. They can be used for letters of recommendation, for advice, for help. Hell they might actually be the reason you have a job in a few years.

I'm not going to go into depth as the post above me says almost all that's needed to be said. If you're in a big class, at least go and introduce yourself; shake their hand, say hello if you see them outside the classroom. No matter how little you do, a little is always more than none.
 
If you are living on campus you may overestimate how much you are going to bring your laptop with you to classes. Rarely I saw people using them for note taking, usually just messing around during lectures.

Premed=biology, chemistry, ochem courses. Not many people I know took notes on laptops due to drawing of diagrams and drawing on the handouts/powerpoints.

Just a thought. May not apply to you, but carrying around a 5lb laptop everyday can be a pain, especially with those 10lb science books. Seems like the first year a lot of kids would have laptops, then day by day they would dwindle in numbers.

If you want the graphics power of the 15", get that. If you don't need it, get the 13". Buy an external monitor with a two digital connections (DVI, HDMI, DP) for hooking up extra stuff and working from home. I would even consider buying an iPad for bringing to school. You can put lectures on it, even mark up lectures using iAnnotate to copy over what you wrote in class and relearn it. Then you can put your books on the iPad if you can find them online. Makes what you carry every day very light and won't have to carry around a bunch of junk.

However it all depends on how you learn and what works best for you.
 
Congrats on starting college and choosing to do premed! Its a demanding major but rewarding once you get through it all. As someone who has gone through the premed route, I thought I'd offer my two cents.

Like many of the previous posters, I would recommend getting the 13" MBP. Even though it might not have as much screen real estate as you like, the difference in weight and portability makes up for it. If you've ever been in one of those lecture halls with the fold out tables, you'll know what I mean. The 13" seems to just fit on those tables, any larger and it's going to be hanging off the ledge. Also, a few pounds may not seem like much but once you're carrying those huge organic chem or cell biology textbooks, ever ounce counts.

Like many others before me, I would also recommend having an external screen if you really think you need the screen real estate. Being able to have all your research articles on one screen and having your word document on another makes all the difference.

You mentioned earlier that you have an iPad but don't intend on bringing it with you. Personally, I think the iPad has become my best tool for learning over the past few months. The ability to store and access multiple textbooks, lectures notes and lecture videos in one compact portable package has been a game changer for me.

Anyways, best of luck and have fun in college.
 
If you are living on campus you may overestimate how much you are going to bring your laptop with you to classes. Rarely I saw people using them for note taking, usually just messing around during lectures.

This! I notice the same thing across my campus.
 
I would shoot for the 15" based on your major. I had a friend who was a med major and he used a 15" whenever he wrote reports. He would use Cinch and split his screen in half where he would type his report up on one side while looking up notes or other stuff to help him. This would obviously be a wonder on a 17" but since you will be mobile, a 15" would do just fine.
 
Hi everyone! I went ahead and got the base 13" MBP today and am very happy with it. I don't think $600 is worth the 2" of real estate, and it was too much computer for what I need. Plus, this is definitely more portable :)
 
Hi everyone! I went ahead and got the base 13" MBP today and am very happy with it. I don't think $600 is worth the 2" of real estate, and it was too much computer for what I need. Plus, this is definitely more portable :)

Good choice. 15" Would be too big to tote to class. You will block everyone's view! And really you do not need the power of the 15".
 
Glad you found your laptop.

In addition to what you already got, I would also consider this:

- 8GB RAM Upgrade
- AppleCare (since you want it to last a few years)
- laser printer. Don't even bother printing with an ink jet printer. Each time you want to print something, you'll always end up asking yourself if you should since inkjets run out so quickly. Personally, I like printing my stuff and being able to print a lot of pages is enjoyable. I would go with a brother laser printer in the sub $130 range.
 
Thanks everyone! Can you guys suggest some apps? So far I've just gotten a few browsers - Chrome and Firefox. Consider some apps from the Mac App Store as well!

Also, a few things to add to the list - Case for the MBP, and a sleeve as well? I was thinking a speck see thru or speck satin black and an incase sleeve. I also need an iPhone case. My screen shattered a few days ago but luckily apple replaced it at no charge. Once bitten, twice shy - I need a case. They recommended the Otterbox but it makes it WAY too bulky. Suggestions?

You guys have been great. thanks a lot, I hope I haven't bored you all :p
 
Thanks everyone! Can you guys suggest some apps? So far I've just gotten a few browsers - Chrome and Firefox. Consider some apps from the Mac App Store as well!

Also, a few things to add to the list - Case for the MBP, and a sleeve as well? I was thinking a speck see thru or speck satin black and an incase sleeve. I also need an iPhone case. My screen shattered a few days ago but luckily apple replaced it at no charge. Once bitten, twice shy - I need a case. They recommended the Otterbox but it makes it WAY too bulky. Suggestions?

You guys have been great. thanks a lot, I hope I haven't bored you all :p

I personally wouldn't use a case on a laptop ... that's a bit too much IMO but if you want it, go for it. I would go with a sleeve, however.

As for an iphone case, I generally like TPU cases, but if you need something stronger, try the Speck Candyshell
 
What kind of BS statement is that? Show me a college that has requirements on how big screen your laptop can have?

It's possible he was making a joke? :rolleyes:


No, no requirement, but at my school, desks and chairs were cramped and really close to one another. I felt like everyone could see my chatting away during class hahaha. If not block, then completely distract your fellow classmates when you are on facebook.
 
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