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Ok, that's just funny.

Here's some night shots from the original.

At the park
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While this is a decent representation of sharpness and overall difference between the cams, it's really not empirical evidence of the quality just because everyone's monitor can play a big role in what they see in terms of color, saturation, and even focus. Not to mention there is a major difference in a trained eye vs a layman. Still, it's a good description of how they have improved/changed and that's clearly what the article is about.
 
No eSATA on Macbook Pro --> Now you get ThunderBlunder!
No USB3 on Macbook Pro --> Now you get ThunderBlunder!
No HDMI on Macbook Pro --> Now you get ThunderBlunder!

Please explain why an Intel-developed technology capable of doing ALL OF THE THINGS YOU SAID is "blunder?" Proprietary adapter? That has yet to be seen.

No ExpressCard on Macbook Pro --> Now you get SD Card Slot?!

Fair point.
 
This thread does a great job of reminding folks that not ever component Apple chooses is great. Or even good. Or even worth using at all.


No eSATA on Macbook Pro --> Now you get ThunderBlunder!
No USB3 on Macbook Pro --> Now you get ThunderBlunder!
No HDMI on Macbook Pro --> Now you get ThunderBlunder!
No ExpressCard on Macbook Pro --> Now you get SD Card Slot?!

And what's with only two ancient decade-old USB2 ports on a thousand plus computer in 2011?

Sometimes Apple gets it very right but other times Apple just plain screws up.
Yeah, how completely asinine for Apple to have the new MacBook Air, mini, and iPhone 4S be Bluetooth 4.0 ready (i.e. Bluetooth Smart) before any products ship for it. Who would want to be out in front of standardized low-power connectivity for consumer devices?

/sarcasm
 
Please explain why an Intel-developed technology capable of doing ALL OF THE THINGS YOU SAID is "blunder?" Proprietary adapter? That has yet to be seen.
Look, I was never crazy about the original Display Port. It's not like Apple couldn't fit a full HDMI connection on a MBP. IIRC they used to have a full sized DVI connection in a similar footprint. No external device I currently own or probably will ever own is likely to support my Mini Display Port natively but Apple has adapters right, so no biggie. The only problem is that the adapters don't always work well and no matter if you choose cheap or expensive adapters eventually something breaks or gets crimped or whatever and the connection gets flaky and you have to buy another one to get back in business. I suppose if you never move your laptop from your desk then maybe the adapters never break, but I take my hardware everywhere. It's gotten to the point that I need to carry backup adapters for when the current adapter fails somewhere other than around the corner from an Apple store during business hours. But I lived with it and waited for improvements.

When the "improvements" finally came it wasn't in the form of any of the widely supported connections like USB3 or HDMI that I can use natively with my current (and future) hardware and cables. It was in the form of a faster and fancier Mini Display Port called ThunderBolt. My displays, my drives, and my peripherals still require external hubs and adapters just like before. Nothing had improved for me. Same old story. Yes, there is a thousand dollar display and a hub or two and a handful of pricy RAID devices. None of that benefits me or millions of other people who buy off-the-shelf hardware from manufacturers who aren't focused on Apple. I don't like feeling as though I'm just a pawn in some pissing contest between Apple and any of a dozen other standards they don't agree with for whatever reason.

I'm paying between one and two thousand dollars for an Apple laptop so I don't think it's completely irrational to expect Apple to pony up whatever it costs them to include things like native USB3 and HDMI. I don't expect Apple to support everything under the sun. Nobody does. Steve and company were even able to convince me that the low level security requirements for supporting Blu-ray exceeded what Apple could reasonably be expected to provide. But not everything Apple does seems to have their users or even their own best interests at heart. Lack of several widely supported connections in native form (and with enough built-in ports to actually connect everything) is one area where I feel Apple needs to back down and let the users choose the port they want and use standard cables without having to resort to purchasing fragile external adapters for conventional hardware. I think we all know that any port which requires a $50 cable for native transmission isn't going to become a widespread phenomenon at the consumer level. Well, everyone except Apple I guess.
 
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ThunderBolt was, like USB, an Intel developed standard Apple adopted in it's early days. Look how well that worked out with USB. I'm sure some questioned it too at first.

Intel will work to bring down ThunderBolt costs over time I'm sure. Remember what it's basically giving you is DisplayPort and PCI Express (two busses of PCI Express at that on some machines!) on a portable tiny connector.

The potential is amazing. The cost, is not - yet.
 
That's standard apple operating procedure. They are cutting edge in some areas, but lag in others. Usually when they make up for the areas in which they are lacking they leap-frog the competition.

You are so right. In all aspects of that post actually, but I thought it'd be a long quote xD
 
Great. Now someone do that with the iPad. :rolleyes: Oh, wait...

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Here's some night shots from the original.

At the park
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Having dinner
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On the beach
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Thanks for sharing. The lack of noise and aberration suggests these images were significantly retouched. :)
 
Here's some night shots from the original.
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LOL!!! Sorry for the redundant reply but I just had to thank you for making me laugh for 5 minutes!

It's so funny because it's so true. I'm still using my iPhone 2G to this day, and I'm still surprised sometimes how bad it is in low light.
 
ThunderBolt was, like USB, an Intel developed standard Apple adopted in it's early days. Look how well that worked out with USB. I'm sure some questioned it too at first.

Intel will work to bring down ThunderBolt costs over time I'm sure. Remember what it's basically giving you is DisplayPort and PCI Express (two busses of PCI Express at that on some machines!) on a portable tiny connector.

The potential is amazing. The cost, is not - yet.

no they did not really question it at the time.

At the time there was not any plug like it that could perform those function universally. You had printer cables (bulky as hell) tons of com ports device that yessed used large bulky plugs.

Thunderbolt really does not bring much new to the picture. It is massive over kill for most devices that could use it. So much over kill that it is not worth the cost to build devices for it.

Thunderbolt is looking to be like firewire and we all saw how firewire worked out.
 
No ExpressCard on Macbook Pro --> Now you get SD Card Slot?!

And what's with only two ancient decade-old USB2 ports on a thousand plus computer in 2011?

Sometimes Apple gets it very right but other times Apple just plain screws up.

Check the MacBook Pro 17'' bro...
 
no they did not really question it at the time.

At the time there was not any plug like it that could perform those function universally. You had printer cables (bulky as hell) tons of com ports device that yessed used large bulky plugs.

Thunderbolt really does not bring much new to the picture. It is massive over kill for most devices that could use it. So much over kill that it is not worth the cost to build devices for it.

Thunderbolt is looking to be like firewire and we all saw how firewire worked out.

Except that now it's possible to have an external storage server, with transfer speed as fast as an internal drive.
 
ThunderBolt was, like USB, an Intel developed standard Apple adopted in it's early days. Look how well that worked out with USB. I'm sure some questioned it too at first.
Everyone was deeply suspicious of a cheap and simple USB port replacing all their legacy PS2's and DB9's and DB25's and bulky Centronics cables. Oh, wait, never mind. Everyone was happy to have access to a fast hot-swap port that worked with nearly everything and didn't require $50 cables or only connect with a handful of thousand dollar devices. The problem with FireWire wasn't that it was developed by Apple. FireWire was technically superior to USB by all accounts and found a strong following in professional markets. The problem with FireWire was that few commodity manufacturers were willing to use it and it remained too expensive to become a universal port. If it had been developed by Intel that wouldn't have changed anything.
 
Meh, I'm still not overly impressed with any cell phone camera. While they're certainly encroaching on the performance of low end point and shoots, they still have miserable dynamic range.

Except that now it's possible to have an external storage server, with transfer speed as fast as an internal drive.

That has been possible for many years, and is common in professional media environments.
 
What a load of rubbish - the original and 3G cameras were no way that bad and there's no way Apple would allow such a shoddy camera out there.

Christ, even a old-skool windy film camera that costs 99p takes better pictures
 
Except that now it's possible to have an external storage server, with transfer speed as fast as an internal drive.

hmn. I built a 5-drive external SATA array for a PowerMac G5 back several years ago. Regular transfer speeds in excess of 250MB/sec when writing large (multi-GB) files.

It cost 250 dollars (external case, sata cables & PCI-E card), plus the cost of the actual drives, which I don't remember.

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What a load of rubbish - the original and 3G cameras were no way that bad and there's no way Apple would allow such a shoddy camera out there.

Christ, even a old-skool windy film camera that costs 99p takes better pictures

They put the keys inside the minimum focus distance of the first iPhones on purpose, to make the results for the newer ones look better.

They also messed with the canon 95 to make it look less-than-ideal.

The whole "comparison" is bogus and flawed.

Note the lack of 100% crops anywhere, which would show you how these cameras really differ.
 
i've never had an iPhone but even the 3GS photo looks better than the photos taken by my htc wildfire. they use sucky lenses in their phones.
 
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