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Can you explain why no ink, no paper, and no army of delivery guys would still cost the same as digital distribution? Even with Apple's 30% and the bandwidth cost of shipping thousands of 10mb magazines, it'd still work out cheaper for users and make a profit for the company.

It costs right around $1 per magazine to print, design and mail for very large circulations. Magazine not newspaper. Take out the printing and mailing and you're probably looking at about $.75 costs. Sell it for $.99 on the ITMS and Apple takes $.33 and they lose money. Magazines have very little wiggle room price wise.
 
i've grown to dislike reading magazines on the ipad for several reasons.

1. Ppi of ipad too low
2. Appification of magazines (why have an app for each?)
3. Not passing along the cost savings saved in printing/shipping to us.

All i want is a subscription that cost less than the amazon.com price, uses a common app (e.g. Like zinio) and a screen whose ppi is near the dpi of magazines.

+1!
 
I'd get the New Yorker in a minute if it was even remotely priced the way it would be for a print subscription. I'd pay even more--due to the convenience factor, but not $5 an issue.

The demand is not there because their prices are unrealistic.

I downloaded one issue after I got my iPad 2. It's a beautiful app -- functional, readable, decent multimedia, feels like the New Yorker brand, etc. -- but $5 a week is WAY too much.

The iPad-optimized Safari version is not completely awful, but I'm probably not going to continue it after the four-week free trial. It's basically a PDF version of the magazine but is clunkier and less readable than a PDF.

I cancelled my print subscription a couple of years go because the pile got too high, but I would get an iPad subscription if it wasn't more than $60 or $70 a year.
 
Agree! I love the New Yorker but the digital edition on the iPad should be free with my subscription.

For what it is worth, it's my understanding you can technically get a digital version of the New Yorker, it is just the extra features of the iPad app that cost extra. I just looked into this myself with the New Yorker. While I haven't started it yet, the digital version looks like a digital copy of the print version while the iPad app brings interactive videos, expansion on stories, etc.
 
Yep, and the funny thing is, even if you want to pretend 30% is an issue, fine! Charge 100% more for the iPad subscription. That should make up for it, no? I'd gladly pay it.

The 500% increase they're asking now is outrageous. (Wired is $10 for 12 issues through Amazon.)

And amazon is taking at least 30%, I would be shocked if the cut was that small.

It costs right around $1 per magazine to print, design and mail for very large circulations. Magazine not newspaper. Take out the printing and mailing and you're probably looking at about $.75 costs. Sell it for $.99 on the ITMS and Apple takes $.33 and they lose money. Magazines have very little wiggle room price wise.

BS, see above or join any large affiliate program that has accounts with major magazine publishers. Apple is about their cheapest avenue because they even process the payment for them.

WSJ pays 30% for each new subscriber you bring if you are on the CJ program. They pay MORE to higher volume affiliates. Almost all of the publishers are in the 25% to 35% range.

If they can't get all of their ads into the online version, that is a personal problem they should work out. The iPad readers are automatically the top of their Demo too, no reason any of their advertisers would purposefully shun them.
 
With the internet, I think magazines aren't doing that well anyway. Plus most of them are 50% ads, and the same ones in each magazine, which is quite boring.
 
The Wired App is just two stars. For the free edition.

Overall, the app sits at 2.5 stars for all versions.

That's one good reason for Conde to tap on the brakes.
 
Does it not depend the PPI that the image is ? If they have made the image at a PPI that the the same as the iPad 1/1.5, then you may have a point. However, if they made the image at a higher PPI, say 300+, then your point is moot.

I would say it's unlikely that they make images at such higher PPI, at least not in the final app. It increases the cost, the file size, the app complexity with no obvious gain. I'm highly skeptical.
 
I still dont get why I would want to use my iPad to read when my laptop is sitting right next to me and is a lot more comfortable to use and not much bigger (13 MBA).
 
Yea, the value for the price is not there. You can get the paper version of Wired for $10/yr via Amazon. Why would you pay the crazy prices for the digital version, if anything it should be even cheaper.

It's not Conde Nast being smarter its Conde Nast not knowing how to execute a digital strategy that works.

I think Apple is executing the entire category poorly. Actually, I think Apple needs to really re-vamp how things are organized in iTunes period. You would think periodicals would have their own category... nope. Most are tossed into "news" which is buried under apps and filled with misc things in the category. Unless you search for something specific, it's not easy to browse what is available. (They really need to clean up the entire app store. iPad books for example... subcategories with children's books or educational would be a welcome fix.)

I also have noticed a lot of Magazines not available for subscription and only single issue purchases. Perhaps it's that 30% cut Apple demands of the publishers? That's why you'll never see Wired for $10 a year for the iPad. The periodical industry doesn't make money off the news stand copies, it's the advertisements that really pay their bills which are based on circulation. It was interesting to see advertisers concerns as part of their reasoning for scaling back. It will be interesting to see as Android tablets pick up pace how options on that platform might differ in pricing and subscription availability as Google only takes 10%.

It's a shame because digital magazines really have the potential to re-energize the entire industry and offer something more interactive over a print edition.
 
A lot of you are a bunch of cheap asses. Most of you don't understand the amount of work that goes into producing these apps. They're not just PDFs that you download and flip through. You get both an interactive version and print version of the the magazine. The reason print subscriptions are so cheap is because they don't really care about print sales. You're paying them to give your information to them so they can use it for marketing purposes. Thus another reason the ipad/iphone version are more expensive is because Apple won't allow them to collect your information. Conde is currently working on a subscription model, but it also how they are going to be able to negotiate with Apple.

I agree with your sentiments on how cheap people are becoming, but the rest of it is a little misguided.

Periodical Business 101: 1) Sell ad space which price is determined by how many copies circulate each week. 2.) Subscriptions guarantee a year of circulation, so these are pushed at cheap prices to help lock in higher advertising rates. 3) News stand prices maybe net 1-5% of their cover if at all in profits as unsold copies are paid for by the publishers but help with circulation which boosts ad rates/revenue. (Just like it costs more than 75 cents to print 1 newspaper) The 1-5% profits that come from non-ad revenue would not cover printing costs let alone paying for your staff and facilities costs.

Why do they want your data? They don't sell your info for money. If they do anything, they simply encourage you to renew, or push you towards other periodicals that they own to keep up circulation. (And anything they know about their subscriber base can help them in content decisions) The newspaper industry has been dying a slow and painful death because... circulation has died with the internet. Magazines are teetering. The publishers would rather you buy a year subscription for $20 a year vs. paying $85 a year buying issues at the supermarket because they actually make more money off of your $20. Guaranteed circulation and no waste. Because magazines sell mostly at a break even or a loss, that's why digital subscriptions are problematic when a 30% chunk is taken away. These companies are all on the endangered species list.

There are a lot of posts about how it costs $1 to print a magazine, etc. but none of those are taking into account expenses beyond printing. Just like people, companies have to pay bills (and people) too.
 
A lot of you are a bunch of cheap asses. Most of you don't understand the amount of work that goes into producing these apps. They're not just PDFs that you download and flip through. You get both an interactive version and print version of the the magazine. The reason print subscriptions are so cheap is because they don't really care about print sales. You're paying them to give your information to them so they can use it for marketing purposes. Thus another reason the ipad/iphone version are more expensive is because Apple won't allow them to collect your information. Conde is currently working on a subscription model, but it also how they are going to be able to negotiate with Apple.

I understand what you are saying, but offer this as a response: As a consumer why should I care? I want it cheaper.


Note this response is probably why Walmart is doing so well...
 
Umm, printing is 25% of the cost and Apple takes 30%. Add in the bulk mailing per issue, which is very little, and it won't equal what Apple takes. yet people want these magazine companies to take less. Apple reduces their take and we'll see prices per mag go down.

Wrong again. You do realize that when you buy a magazine from a store they get some money too don't you? About 30%. Plus, there is a middle man in magazine distribution. They get paid too. So, when you add it all up, the 30% to Apple is less than they pay today.
 
So they FINALLY figured out no one wants to pay more for an electronic copy than a print copy. I was expects about 1/2 the cover price for electronic copy. when that did not happen I lost interrest
 
I'd get the New Yorker in a minute if it was even remotely priced the way it would be for a print subscription. I'd pay even more--due to the convenience factor, but not $5 an issue.

The demand is not there because their prices are unrealistic.

correct.

the cost of the mag should be lower, not higher or the same.

no paper = less cost to produce and distribute.
 
if i'm paying for a digital subscription, there's no reason why i should also have to look at ads.

i can see why there are ads for a print edition, due to printing costs, paper, and shipping, but none of those exist for a digital edition.

It's the other way around - the cover price more or less covers the cost of paper et al, and the major revenue comes off advertising. Even if it costs only 1% of the paper price to create the e-version, the firm isn't going to accept $1 or $2 from your subscription in lieu of the maybe $3-5 it makes (per copy) from selling the ad space.
 
I like how everbody blames everything but the ipad. The ipad just makes for a crappy ebook with it's bright display and weight.
 
I'd get the New Yorker in a minute if it was even remotely priced the way it would be for a print subscription.
The demand is not there because their prices are unrealistic.

The economist offers ipad access free with the print subscription, so now my print editions sits largely unread and I read it on my ipad which is always with me and up to date with latest issues even when I'm on the road, and with the latest update I can quickly start a discussion with friends on interesting articles.

I used to subscribe to wired ( 25 USD per 2 years If I recall ? ) .. and currently get the New Yorker.. but expecting you to pay 5 Dollars a issue, is a joke, with almost zero distribution costs, after the initial investment in a app platform is made, I'd expect ipad only version to be cheaper.. but even if it was the same price I'd switch.
 
I suspect magazine publishers are betting on the fact that we'll eventually forget how cheap printed magazine subscriptions used to be -- kind of like how we forgot that phone bills used to be around $20/month and a cup of coffee was 50 cents. When customers reject a new price point, companies simply pull back and patiently wait till our memory fades a little more.
 
It costs right around $1 per magazine to print, design and mail for very large circulations. Magazine not newspaper. Take out the printing and mailing and you're probably looking at about $.75 costs. Sell it for $.99 on the ITMS and Apple takes $.33 and they lose money. Magazines have very little wiggle room price wise.

Assuming that your numbers are correct, then why not charge $2.49/issue - 75 cents to Apple (30%) = $1.74 back to the publisher. They cover their cost and make some money. But $4.99 per issue? :confused: If magazine publishers have existed and profited all these years there is no reason why they cannot apply the same pricing ratios to a digital format at a reduced cost (to compensate for the lack of physical printing costs). Charge a higher rate for individual issues and a reduced rate for subscriptions. The key is for them to keep it simple and not try to reinvent the wheel in terms of design/delivery. A simple .pdf style without a bunch of embedded bells and whistles seems like it would make the most sense. I can't imagine it would take that much time/money to produce digital versions so long as you're not embedding interactive froo froo crapola.


I still dont get why I would want to use my iPad to read when my laptop is sitting right next to me and is a lot more comfortable to use and not much bigger (13 MBA).

On your couch at home perhaps, but how about on the train? Or on the bus? In a car? A Plane? Doctor's office? Waiting room at the mechanic? Should I keep going or :rolleyes:
 
The iPad versions of their magazines are either way too expensive, or aren't even magazines.

That's why I can't justify paying for them.
 
A lot of you are a bunch of cheap asses. Most of you don't understand the amount of work that goes into producing these apps. They're not just PDFs that you download and flip through. You get both an interactive version and print version of the the magazine. The reason print subscriptions are so cheap is because they don't really care about print sales. You're paying them to give your information to them so they can use it for marketing purposes. Thus another reason the ipad/iphone version are more expensive is because Apple won't allow them to collect your information. Conde is currently working on a subscription model, but it also how they are going to be able to negotiate with Apple.

I like how everbody blames everything but the ipad. The ipad just makes for a crappy ebook with it's bright display and weight.


Amazing how everyone else trying to make money is "greedy" but when Apple charges a perceived premium the knee jerk response is "dont buy it troll".

Content doesnt just appear out of thin air. Creatives deserve to earn too.
 
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