Connect Apple TV 4 to Bose home theater

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by edenbensal, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. edenbensal macrumors regular

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    I have LG television model 42LG50FR and BOSE Lifestyle 8 system (5.1) old system.

    I received today my Apple TV 4 and I want to connect it to the home theater system. how can I do it?
     

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  2. kch50428 macrumors 6502

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    HDMI from the AppleTV to the TV... If you have the LG-TV audio already wired to the Bose switching the HDMI input on the LG-TV to the AppleTV audio will follow...
     
  3. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    I connect the ATV4 to my LG TV via HDMI. now I need to connect the TV to the BOSE system? and then what?
     
  4. AL2TEACH macrumors 6502

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    HDMI from TV to Bose HDMI
     
  5. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    There's no hdmi output on my bose system
     
  6. AL2TEACH macrumors 6502

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    My bad, seen your Bose does not have HDMI. You will need to use Audio out (from TV) to audio in (Bose)
    Sorry but it's been awhile.
    If you have an optical out (tv) and optical in (Bose) that would do also
     
  7. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    which output exactly I need to use?
    see attached image bellow
     

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  8. AL2TEACH macrumors 6502

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    look at #6 in your LG manual to see if that would be the one.
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    by chance are you in Denver? if not bummer.
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    damn, or #7
    audio (on right side) to Bose out
    again, sorry but it has been awhile
     
  9. jca24 macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe I am missing it but I do not see an optical connection on your Bose or TV. If you do have them on both units connect an optical between them. If they do not have optical, use rca cables (red & white) between the units.
     
  10. vipergts2207 macrumors 65816

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    Not to get you down or anything, but I think it may be about time to retire the old Bose system. I looked up the manual for it on Bose's website and happened to notice this particular model was produced between 1998 and 2000. The thing's going on nearly 20 years old. I even saw a reference to laserdisc in the manual. Best case scenario, you're going to get stereo from your Apple TV and not surround sound.

    Looks to me like your only option is to use a stereo RCA cable and connect the TV's variable audio out to one of the Bose's audio inputs. This is assuming of course, that the "variable audio out" does what I think it does.
     
  11. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    I don't want to buy a new system. The bose works fine. even if the RCA connection will solve the problem its fine to me. the question is which output from tv (according to the diagram I attached i need to use?) and to which input the bose system?
     
  12. AL2TEACH macrumors 6502

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    okay, try this again.
    LG out.jpg
    use the red and white cables, plug em in here, red=left
    to Bose Aux
    bose in.jpg

    to hear sound from TV, select Aux on Bose
    To see the Apple TV make sure correct HDMI is picked on TV
    hope it works
     
  13. HobeSoundDarryl, Aug 3, 2016
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    OP, again, note the issue with your connection option here. You can't push stereo sound from the TV and have it yield 5.1 surround sound audio as 5.1 is intended.

    The jacks diagram for the Bose is too small to be certain about what connection for real 5.1 is there: is there at least an optical audio jack IN(put) on that unit? If not, the Bose appears to be creating faux surround by taking stereo audio in and "faking it" by pushing that to the 5 speakers attached. This can work OK but it is not real 5.1 surround (because you are asking technology to guess what sounds should come out of each speaker instead of letting- say- a movie or TV soundtrack send the actual sound intended for each speaker to the correct speaker).

    Maybe you don't care about that but it would make a big difference in all audio for almost all movies & TV shows you might watch via :apple:TV if you could push real 5.1 to your speakers.

    If the Bose unit does have some way to get 5.1 into it (so it CAN push 5.1 to the speakers), that is the connection that must be made here (which appears to cut trying to wire through your TV out, because IT doesn't have any digital audio out options like an HDMI or optical audio out jack). A Left & right (red & white cable) stereo connection will NOT accomplish pushing surround sound out of the TV and into the Bose; it will be stereo audio only going into the Bose.

    How you get real surround out of :apple:TV and into something connected to 5 speakers is via an HDMI connection, optical audio, optical coax or, less common, some other device splitting out the 5.1 channels of audio and then each getting pumped into 5 sets of jacks (one for each speaker).

    If you DO want real 5.1 surround sound, I think vipergts gave you the best input above. Maybe shift this system to some other purpose in your home (perhaps a bedroom stereo purpose?) and buy yourself a more modern surround sound system? You can get pretty good ones for not much money.

    Or if money is not really an issue, consider buying yourself a good quality AV receiver and new speakers. The receiver would then own the various device inputs (not your TV) running only a single HDMI cable from AV receiver to TV for picture output. Sound would be "owned" by the receiver for everything you want to connect to it and it would deliver real 5.1 or stereo based on whatever source of sound is fed into it. That's the BEST way to go if money is not really an issue.

    Fake surround is not a great substitute for real 5.1 surround. Your ears would very likely notice if you went this way. Else, if you don't care, the hookup suggested by al2teach appears right... but you'll never get real surround sound with that hookup (instead, the Bose will be faking the surround by sending some parts of the audio to each speaker... just not necessarily the right parts).

    Lastly, if there is a digital audio input on the Bose (my guess would be digital optical), then it probably can play real surround but only if digital audio enters it through that jack. Apple made the wonderful:rolleyes: decision to jettison the optical jack from :apple:TV4 so if your Bose system has that as the only option for digital audio input, you'll need to look at approx. $30-$60+ little boxes that are basically HDMI audio splitters: HDMI out of :apple:TV and into a little box which then splits the audio signal out to an optical digital audio out jack that could be connected to an optical digital audio in jack on another device. Amazon has many of these kinds of boxes. But, again, this only works if your Bose box has an optical audio in jack.

    I hope this helps. Unless money is pinched, give yourself the gift of a home surround sound upgrade. You'll use it for years and years and it will make a big difference in audio experiences.

    Edit: I went the extra mile and visited the Bose site to try to see a better picture of your connection options. I'm now 99% sure that this Bose system cannot accept any real 5.1 audio input. In other words, I'm practically certain that all "surround" it generates is faux surround instead of the real thing encoded on movie & tv show soundtracks. Thus, I see this as a "room filling" stereo system that happens to have more speakers than it absolutely needs to be a stereo system. I suggest giving more consideration to buying a new system that can deliver real 5.1 surround sound unless you really don't care about that.
     
  14. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    I insert the RCA cable to variable audio out in the TV and to the input aux in the bose system. now its working but I can hear from 1 speaker only
    when I insert a disc to the bose receiver and play the speakers works well.

    thanks you for your comment
    I really dont care about real 5.1 surround I just want to hear from the bose speakers because my tv speakers is damage.
    maybe I need to use adapter?
     
  15. cynics macrumors G4

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    Move your RCA cables on the BOSE to video source in (one spot the the right). Cycle to the appropriate input (video). If you are still only getting sound out of one speaker swap the L and R at video source in on the BOSE and see if sound starts coming out of a different speaker and post back.
     
  16. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    I tried to connect the RCA cable to the video source but the same as the aux source. I can hear from 1 speaker. When I swap the the L cable with R I still have heard from 1 speaker but now it's from the left speaker.
     
  17. vipergts2207, Aug 8, 2016
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    Look at page 83 and 84 of your manual to make sure the variable audio output settings are correct. If they are, then it sounds like one of the output jacks may be damaged. In that case, you're likely SOL since the TV doesn't have an optical audio out. Even then you'd need either an optical-to-analog converter to connect it to the Bose, or a proper receiver.
     
  18. AL2TEACH, Aug 8, 2016
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    just curious but what setting do you have for audio on the TV 4?
    have you seen what happens if you move the connection to your left on the Bose? I can't make out what the connection is for.
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    is the 1 speaker sound from regular TV also?
     
  19. cynics macrumors G4

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    Problem is with the TV out (maybe a setting?) or that wire. The receiver seems to be outputting on both channels. If it's a 3 wire rca try using the other wire.

    Good luck.
     
  20. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    the speaker sound of the TV works well. I insert audio disc to the BOSE receiver and the whole system works.

    I've tried using different RCA cables - still just 1 speaker work.


    If I'll buy a new receiver it will solve my problem? I saw Pioneer VSX-329K for 200$ in Israel.
     
  21. cynics macrumors G4

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    At this point I think it's your TV outputs. And with that model I don't see another way to get audio out of it.
     
  22. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    Ok so If I will buy this receiver It will work?
    I have just one problem - I don't know how to connect the subwoofer to the new receiver.
     
  23. vipergts2207, Aug 11, 2016
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    With a proper receiver you'll plug all your sources into the receiver and run a single hdmi cable from the receiver to the tv. However, it is unlikely you can use your bose speakers and sub. All the connections are likely proprietary. If the sub connects to the Bose control unit with an RCA coaxial cable it may work, if not then it won't for sure. The speakers may work if you cut off the proprietary connectors and attach the wires to the receiver. Even then there's unlikely to be a way to identify positive and negative terminals on the speakers which may result in some of the speakers being out of phase with each other.

    Try it if you want, but keep in mind your efforts will probably be fruitless. I'd suggest that if you buy a receiver, start out with two bookshelf speakers to hook up to it. Then later on if you want, buy a sub and flesh out the rest of the surround sound speakers.

    Edit- Actually I looked at the receiver you're looking at and it only accepts down to 6 ohm speakers. Your Bose cubes are likely 4 ohm. This means you run the risk of overworking the receiver in trying to reach an acceptable volume. In effect, this means potentially anything from the receiver shutting down into thermal protection mode, to actually blowing.
     
  24. edenbensal thread starter macrumors regular

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    Ok so I don't want to take the risk.
    What about buying a Bluetooth speaker like the samsung HW-J450?
    It will work with the apple tv?
     
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    Bensal, again I suggest taking the Bose system you like, moving it to another room and enjoying it in that room as a music player. Apparently it works just fine but it's made for stereo, not real surround. With AV equipment, there's always a point where it becomes outdated.

    Vipergts and I have both suggested buying yourself a modern receiver. That's the fundamental piece of equipment to power speakers (equivalent to the Bose box to which the existing speakers connect but without the proprietary Bose connectors and system limitations). Vipergts' suggestion of buying just 2 speakers to get started is a good one if money is tight. Start with front left and front right and then add center, rear left and rear right when you can. Hook everything to the receiver and only run one HDMI cord from the receiver to your TV so it displays video from any video-oriented sources you attach. Trying to make a good system work through TV inputs & outputs is almost never an optimal solution. A receiver will let you basically cut the output limitations of your TV out of the equation.

    In this configuration, the TV is only used for video. The receiver is the "master controller" receiving as input any video & audio you want to be able to enjoy, routing video to the TV and audio to the attached speakers. Think of the receiver as the master hub for the whole setup. The key to buying the right receiver is not just thinking about what you want to attach now but also thinking about what you might add to your system in the next few years. Try not to buy one with only enough inputs- especially HDMI inputs- to cover your needs right now. If you do that and then add "one more thing," you'll have a problem of no available inputs for that "one more thing." So buy for the present and the future as good as you can.

    Speakers just need to work, so even used speakers could be a cheaper option if money is an issue. However, good-sounding new speakers can be purchased for probably less than what that Bose system cost you way back when you bought it. They even sell 5 and 5.1 speakers "in a box" if you want to get a whole set at once. Some of those are relatively low price with fairly good ratings. Or pay up a bit more to get better than "fairly good".

    Once again, this is a purchase that you'll probably use for 10+ years (look at your Bose system). You seem to be on the hunt for lowest cost but a purchase with such long-time use practically begs for getting as good as you can afford.

    As to your sound bar question, sound bars are OK but they do limit your surround (placement). Buy individual left, center and right speakers and you can adjust the space between them to find the optimal spacing for your room. Buy a sound bar and there's no adjusting- spacing is locked-down rigid. If you don't care about that, for what that particular one costs you can buy a Vizio 5.1 surround sound system that has pretty good reviews. Personally, I suggest separate speakers instead of a sound bar but if I was going to buy a sound bar, I'd get one of those 5.1 sound bars instead of a 2.1 like that Samsung.
     

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