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Does he only deserve a light slap in the wrist right? For ‘hacking’ into their iclouds and stealing their personal private photos and videos and leaking them all over the internet for millions and millions to see never to be deleted.. having the potential to ruin their personal and professional life’s for ever.

I do hope you don’t have any private things you don’t want the entire planet to see?

This crime could be classed as cyber bullying, a crime that has lead to children killing themselves, so I think 8 months isn’t enough, it should have been 8 years. But hey MR readers seem to love and be sympathetic to hackers.
Locking humans you don’t know and have nothing to do with in cages for things they did that also have nothing to do with you. Sick.
 
Why is this called a hack when these people gave them their password. This is why anti-Apple people still try to blame Apple saying they were hacked and leaked the pictures.
It’s really tiring when mass media keeps using the word hack/hacking to describe an event that is nothing of the sort.
 
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I feel like 8 months in prison is kind of harsh for getting dumb people to hand over a password.

And PSA for celebrities: don't store your naked pictures in the cloud.
They didn't even know their pictures are in the cloud most likely. 8 months seems like an OK punishment. I am actually surprised US system didn't send him away for 20 years :D
 
The "hack" probably made some not so famous celebruties more famous and more marketable. I do not doubt that some in Hollywood "hack" themselves to promote their careers.
 
I don't have 2-factor.... overkill to me undermines. The fact users can now share their otherwise, secure passwords because we have a trusted device which protects us"further" is just stating that "yes,, but you are sharing it anyway" and that has always been the main goal..

its not just about users sharing passwords voluntarily. shoulder surfing, slow typing passwords in public etc there are lot of way a password could be compromised. so 2FA is imp. its not a silver bullet but 2FA and strong passwords do make a lot if diff and reduce the chances significantly.
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I feel like 8 months in prison is kind of harsh for getting dumb people to hand over a password.

by that logic every criminal should be let go. because he/she did the crime against someone dumber or weaker than him/her.
PS: i didn't intend to agree to the part victims in case are dumb. they happen to be less knowledged in this area thats it
 
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Does he only deserve a light slap in the wrist right? For ‘hacking’ into their iclouds and stealing their personal private photos and videos and leaking them all over the internet for millions and millions to see never to be deleted.. having the potential to ruin their personal and professional life’s for ever.

I do hope you don’t have any private things you don’t want the entire planet to see?

This crime could be classed as cyber bullying, a crime that has lead to children killing themselves, so I think 8 months isn’t enough, it should have been 8 years. But hey MR readers seem to love and be sympathetic to hackers.

Well, you see it's a tricky one. First of all, it wasn't a hack. It's basically walking up to a person, telling them you're an Apple employee and asking them for the username and password. Would you provide all that information of someone did that on the street just randomly? No. You'd find that weird, and asked them to leave you alone or call the police. So why do people feel more comfortable giving out these details over email? Beats me...

Then there's the issue of nude pictures and videos. The way I see it, the number one rule to our digital lives is not taking nude pictures and videos of ourselves. Why? Because they WILL get leaked one way or another. Even involuntarily. Have you ever bought a used hard drive and tried data recovery software on it? The amount of stuff that you would find, would blow your mind. I think if someone is really worried about their privacy, they'll educate themselves and interact accordingly with their digital devices.

Finally there's Apple. Apple boast about privacy and security of your data and here comes a young lad and gets the stuff just by asking for it. I mean come on, we can do better than that, and it's this scandal that made it happen, so I'd say Apple bears some of the fault in being reactive to security measures rather than proactive.

I really believe the punishment fits the crime, but only because it needs to set an example that doing these kinds of things while incredibly easy to do, is simply not cool. Punishing them with something along the lines of 8 years would be excessive simply because there are much more serious crimes that get punished with less than that.

As to what you were saying about "potentially running their personal and professional lives, I'd argue that's not the case. The nudes were not about children - in which case this would have been a whole different discussion - but grown-ass adults, many of whom appear naked on TV for the right price. If anything, it boosted their celebrity status.
 
I don't have 2-factor.... overkill to me undermines. The fact users can now share their otherwise, secure passwords because we have a trusted device which protects us"further" is just stating that "yes,, but you are sharing it anyway" and that has always been the main goal."
Sharing your passcode with someone who isn't 100% trusted is idiotic. And if you get a second protection layer then throw away the first layer, that's not "further" protection, that's just different protection.
 
You guys have to know that your protestations fall on deaf ears every time. Always have, always will. This little saga in internet history will forever more be known as the celebrity iCloud hack. No amount of hand waving, or wringing for that matter, is going to change that. That windmill ain't gonna tumble.

It sounds that you're happy to know that this Fake News exists. And it sounds that you gladly help this to continue. Why? Shouldn't you want real news to triumph over Fake News?

When the shoe's on the other foot, I'll see how you react.
 
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It sounds that you're happy to know that this Fake News exists. And it sounds that you gladly help this to continue. Why? Shouldn't you want real news to triumph over Fake News?

When the shoe's on the other foot, I'll see how you react.

If that's what you got from my comment, I can't help you. As for your shoe on the other foot comment, what the heck does that mean?
 
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I feel like 8 months in prison is kind of harsh for getting dumb people to hand over a password.

And PSA for celebrities: don't store your naked pictures in the cloud.


I don’t think 8 months is excessive. THIS time it was pictures, which with a change of social mores could hurt someone decades into the future. Next time it could be something a lot less trivial and when you steal passwords and find sensitive information I doubt your moral sensitivities suddenly kick in and you choose not to share that information. It was phishing. They were looking for anything they could sell or use to embarrass.
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its not just about users sharing passwords voluntarily. shoulder surfing, slow typing passwords in public etc there are lot of way a password could be compromised. so 2FA is imp. its not a silver bullet but 2FA and strong passwords do make a lot if diff and reduce the chances significantly.
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by that logic every criminal should be let go. because he/she did the crime against someone dumber or weaker than him/her.
PS: i didn't intend to agree to the part victims in case are dumb. they happen to be less knowledged in this area thats it
Definitely agree with your P.S.

I’ve known lots of people who were very smart in some areas that weren’t good with technology. Especially because of how fast it changes, how poorly most companies and providers explain things, and how contradictory or flat out wrong many media stories are about dangers, whose responsible, and what ways to protect yourself.
 
Locking humans you don’t know and have nothing to do with in cages for things they did that also have nothing to do with you. Sick.

How so? I'm not sure of your philosophy - that the only valid justice is directly between victim and victimizer? Does society have a role in determining what unacceptable behavior may be, and if there's a penalty to be paid for that unacceptable behavior, what the penalty would be? Do you believe that the phisher did 'wrong,' but disagree with the means of punishment?

So, in your perfect world, what would not be "sick?"
 
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It’s really tiring when mass media keeps using the word hack/hacking to describe an event that is nothing of the sort.
What's fundamentally annoying is that the media misappropriated the word "hacker" in the first place - it used to mean, "person who is adept at figuring out how systems work and modifying them to do new interesting things", a programmer who really knows where their towel is and who can glue existing bits together in new interesting ways... and then some high profile case happened where some black hat (before that term was applied in the computer field) broke into a computer, and some reporter came along and asked a knowledgeable person about it, and said knowledgeable person commented, "a hacker broke into that computer system", and said reporter made the assumption that "hacker" means "person who breaks into computers" (where if the quote had been "a man broke into that computer" they wouldn't have decided that "man" means "someone who breaks into computers")... and now we've lost another useful word. Being a hacker (in the original sense) used to be a good thing. Now it means someone evil and "everyone knows that". Sigh.
 
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Well, you see it's a tricky one. First of all, it wasn't a hack. It's basically walking up to a person, telling them you're an Apple employee and asking them for the username and password. Would you provide all that information of someone did that on the street just randomly? No. You'd find that weird, and asked them to leave you alone or call the police. So why do people feel more comfortable giving out these details over email? Beats me...

Then there's the issue of nude pictures and videos. The way I see it, the number one rule to our digital lives is not taking nude pictures and videos of ourselves. Why? Because they WILL get leaked one way or another. Even involuntarily. Have you ever bought a used hard drive and tried data recovery software on it? The amount of stuff that you would find, would blow your mind. I think if someone is really worried about their privacy, they'll educate themselves and interact accordingly with their digital devices.

Finally there's Apple. Apple boast about privacy and security of your data and here comes a young lad and gets the stuff just by asking for it. I mean come on, we can do better than that, and it's this scandal that made it happen, so I'd say Apple bears some of the fault in being reactive to security measures rather than proactive.

I really believe the punishment fits the crime, but only because it needs to set an example that doing these kinds of things while incredibly easy to do, is simply not cool. Punishing them with something along the lines of 8 years would be excessive simply because there are much more serious crimes that get punished with less than that.

As to what you were saying about "potentially running their personal and professional lives, I'd argue that's not the case. The nudes were not about children - in which case this would have been a whole different discussion - but grown-ass adults, many of whom appear naked on TV for the right price. If anything, it boosted their celebrity status.

Not sure what to make or this? It’s partly an excuse for crime, and partly blaming Apple which even I didn’t do! And partly blaming the victims of the crime :eek:
It’s a crime, it’s dead easy to steal someone’s phone, doesn’t make it any less of a crime, I wouldn’t make an excuse for that either?
And it is hacking just as much as it is phishing, both illegal and both explanations in the English Oxford Dictionary cover this act.

And no, I don’t buy second hand hard drives to snoop on the data left on them by previous owners, I have morals.

And so according to you, if an 18 year old takes nude photos, a ‘hacker’ steals the, and sells them for money, and then posts them all over the internet, that’s fine because they are an ‘adult’, they should just shut up and stop complaining? Wow..

Also if people don’t like the term ‘hacked’, go and complain to the story editor/ writer on this site.
 
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How so? I'm not sure of your philosophy - that the only valid justice is directly between victim and victimizer? Does society have a role in determining what unacceptable behavior may be, and if there's a penalty to be paid for that unacceptable behavior, what the penalty would be? Do you believe that the phisher did 'wrong,' but disagree with the means of punishment?

So, in your perfect world, what would not be "sick?"

Society is a made up concept. I don’t agree that individuals who have nothing to do with a situation should have any say in the matter. When someone does something wrong or causes an accident, damages occur. A monetary value should be attributed to that damage and the person who caused it should have to compensate for it. Locking humans in cages is a disgusting form of revenge that solves exactly nothing.
 
And PSA for celebrities: don't store your naked pictures in the cloud.

Blaming the user is quite a dick move.

Blaming the user would be something more like "this is your fault for giving your password away to strangers".

IMHO Scott's post is more of a suggestion for additional precaution than it is blame on the user.

If a thief kicks in my door and later the doorframe repairman gives advice for improved security--I wouldn't take it as victim blaming.
 
Blaming the user is quite a dick move. It’s also removed from reality. People take pictures. Including of themselves. Sometimes, they share them with friends. Or they use the cloud as backup.

I know, personal responsibility is "harsh". I don't think people should leave their homes unlocked or share their social security number.

You share naked pictures of yourself with your friends? o_O
 
Issue here is that some people think the cloud is a complete safe haven. Personal responsibility is definitely harsh. Why take responsibility for yourself? We should always blame others because that will fix your problems. :D
 
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The "hack" probably made some not so famous celebruties more famous and more marketable. I do not doubt that some in Hollywood "hack" themselves to promote their careers.

Yep. It was a glorious leak imo. It was called the fappening. Lots of beautiful ladies. Nothing to ashamed about. I obviously don’t support people stealing stuff that doesn’t belong to them. At the same time I’m a man and I don’t know a straight man who would turn down looking at beautiful women the way they were brought into the world.
 
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