Consider the rMBP as 15" Macbook Airs and you'll feel better

[sweetbrat]

You're complaining that the rMBP isn't a "Pro" machine. Since when does being able to play games make something "Pro?" That seems to be the main thing that you're complaining about, which is ridiculous for two reasons. Most people that need their computers for professional use are not using them to play games, and as many others have stated, the rMBP can play most games just fine. People have pointed out the differences between the Air and the rMBP. They're very different machines, thus the different names. If you'd like to think of your rMBP as an Air, go for it. Don't expect others to do the same. The computer is capable of much more than you seem to be giving it credit for.

 

[twietee]

You're complaining that the rMBP isn't a "Pro" machine. Since when does being able to play games make something "Pro?"

Since they are PRO gamers I guess.

I mean somehow I can understand the approach as I tell myself all the time: "This is my new MacPro, this is my new MacPro.."
Unfortunately this kind of brain trickery doesn't work for me.

 

[theSeb]

No the optimum is 60+, so you can vsync without any issues. The difference between 30 and 60 is huge. Gamers even notice between 60 and 120 since the rMBP can't even do 60, I'm sure you have no experience what that is like. Don't try to convince other it's a gaming machine, it can game decently but it's not an amazing experience you're trying to convey.

I play Diablo 3 and Skyrim on my pc laptop 7970m on 60+ fps with vsync, max details on a 1080p for 3/5ths the price of a rMBP. It's a dedicated gaming laptop and blows the rMBP out of the water for gaming. So the difference between juddery sub 60 and buttery smooth 60+ does matter if you're talking about quality. If you're taking about playability, yes you can play but you will be making compromises, either in resolution or framerate. You can't make a 650m a 680GTX just by putting it in an Apple laptop.

You're missing the point of this thread. The OP is claiming that the rMBP is a 15" MBA and then goes off in every direction. The whole argument about 30 FPS or 60 FPS or 120 FPS is pointless in the context, since the rMBP can achieve the EXACT SAME frames per second as the classic MBP. No one here is claiming that the MBP is a gaming machine. It never has been. It's fine for casual gaming, but that isn't what we're discussing. The point is that the performance of the MBP and the rMBP is exactly the same at the same resolutions.

You wouldn't be able to put a 680 GTX into a laptop anyway, so I think you're off onto some weird tangent, much like the OP.

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You're complaining that the rMBP isn't a "Pro" machine. Since when does being able to play games make something "Pro?" That seems to be the main thing that you're complaining about, which is ridiculous for two reasons. Most people that need their computers for professional use are not using them to play games, and as many others have stated, the rMBP can play most games just fine. People have pointed out the differences between the Air and the rMBP. They're very different machines, thus the different names. If you'd like to think of your rMBP as an Air, go for it. Don't expect others to do the same. The computer is capable of much more than you seem to be giving it credit for.

The most important point is that the rMBP and the classic MBP have the same performance in what is clearly the most important factor in classifying a machine: frames per second in a first person shooter. So I find it hard how the OP came up with the summation that the rMBP is like the MBA. If this is true, then the classic MBP is also like the MBA, but just bigger and fatter.

 

[nontroppo]

The computer is capable of much more than you seem to be giving it credit for.

What, there is more to life than playing shooting games and scrolling through facebook!?!?

Anyone who complains about facebook scrolling and playing games on a professional laptop should also be rebranded --> AirBrain!

 

[mzjin]

You're missing the point of this thread. The OP is claiming that the rMBP is a 15" MBA and then goes off in every direction. The whole argument about 30 FPS or 60 FPS or 120 FPS is pointless in the context, since the rMBP can achieve the EXACT SAME frames per second as the classic MBP. No one here is claiming that the MBP is a gaming machine. It never has been. It's fine for casual gaming, but that isn't what we're discussing. The point is that the performance of the MBP and the rMBP is exactly the same at the same resolutions.

You wouldn't be able to put a 680 GTX into a laptop anyway, so I think you're off onto some weird tangent, much like the OP.

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The most important point is that the rMBP and the classic MBP have the same performance in what is clearly the most important factor in classifying a machine: frames per second in a first person shooter. So I find it hard how the OP came up with the summation that the rMBP is like the MBA. If this is true, true then the classic MBP is also like the MBA, but just bigger and fatter.

Hello?

Regular MBP is: upgradeable and user serviceable. Has no rampant screen issues. Is not Thin and Light. Is more than powerful enough to drive its own display.

Air is: not upgradeable or user serviceable. Has the LG vs Samsung screen debate. Thin & Light. Is pretty powerful, and powerful enough to drive its own display. No Optical drive, no Ethernet, No Firewire.

Retina? It's way more like an Air, except it does have a bit more casual gaming capability and some faster encoding speeds. For Normal usages (like everyone has pointed out here), you DON'T play games on any of these machines. Even so, it's still NOT powerful enough to drive its own display, even running the discrete GPU.

It's 15" Air people. Just because it can run your Portal casually, doesn't mean the general experience isn't a LOT more similar to an Air than a Pro.

 

[jedolley]

I really don't see the point of this thread other than the OP sharing his bitterness towards the rMBP. As I previously stated, my rMBP experience has been nothing short of amazing and I was previously using a high end 2011 27" iMac. The rMBP does everything I did with the iMac and in some cases does it better.

I could understand all the hate on the rMBP vs. PRO debate if Apple had done away with the traditional PROs, but they are still around... If you don't like the rMBP get the cMBP and call it a day. If you don't like either, then i'm not sure why you are here.

 

[mzjin]

I really don't see the point of this thread other than the OP sharing his bitterness towards the rMBP. As I previously stated, my rMBP experience has been nothing short of amazing and I was previously using a high end 2011 27" iMac. The rMBP does everything I did with the iMac and in some cases does it better.

I could understand all the hate on the rMBP vs. PRO debate if Apple had done away with the traditional PROs, but they are still around... If you don't like the rMBP get the cMBP and call it a day. If you don't like either, then i'm not sure why you are here.

I own a Retina Macbook Pro, I'm on my 4th. Still have 2 weeks on my return date. I also own:

2011 iMac
iPad 3
iPhone 4S and iPhone 5
Apple TV
Thunderbolt Display
iPods


The point of this thread is lowering expectations.

Expect lag. That is absent in all other Macs.

Expect Image Retention or uneven Samsung displays.

Expect zealous buyers to defend their Macbook Pro Retinas like it isn't ripe of QC and software issues.

Expect buyers to be informed of Apple's still best-in-class products are being released nowadays with significant quality issues.

 

[sweetbrat]

I own a Retina Macbook Pro, I'm on my 4th. Still have 2 weeks on my return date. I also own:

2011 iMac
iPad 3
iPhone 4S and iPhone 5
Apple TV
Thunderbolt Display
iPods


The point of this thread is lowering expectations.

Expect lag. That is absent in all other Macs.

Expect Image Retention or uneven Samsung displays.

Expect zealous buyers to defend their Macbook Pro Retinas like it isn't ripe of QC and software issues.

We get it. You own a lot of Apple stuff. That means your opinion is more important than anyone else's. You're not happy with the performance of the rMBP, so anyone that is must just have low expectations. And yet, there are millions of people that are happy with their rMBPs. Let them be happy and stop projecting your crappy attitude onto everyone else.

 

[nontroppo]

it's still NOT powerful enough to drive its own display, even running the discrete GPU.

Plain wrong. Hardware more than capable, both Intel (25.6GB/s) and NVidia (80GB/s) memory bandwidth is more than 10x that necessary(1.6GB/s)[1]. Why does it work perfectly well in professional apps like Premiere, Final Cut, Nuke, Lightroom, Matlab, SPSS etc.

Oh right, professionals only surf facebook...

[1] https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15526427/

 

[bogatyr]

Hah! That's a good one. I suppose if you avoid Facebook, TheVerge and any other content heavy sites, you won't have stuttering that is absent on the regular MB Airs or Pros.

Odd, on mine, I have no stuttering on those sites. My previous experience is from a 2011 MBA fully loaded.

Not really. It's an Air because.... it's exactly like the other Macbook Airs just in 15" form.

Yep, exactly like an Air - except it isn't tapered, has a quad core CPU, has a dGPU, has two thunderbolt ports, and a high resolution display. Hmmm. Ok, not that much like an Air after all.

 

[jedolley]

The point of this thread is lowering expectations.

Expect lag. That is absent in all other Macs.

Not my experience.

Expect Image Retention or uneven Samsung displays.

My samsung screen looks fine to me and passed all my QC tests (i.e. dead pixels, backlight bleed, uniformity, etc.)

Expect zealous buyers to defend their Macbook Pro Retinas like it isn't ripe of QC and software issues.

Call me what you want, but I read the issues here for a month before my purchase and knew what I was getting into. I have no issue returning something if it does not meet my standard, but luckily my rMBP has been issue free. I am not denying that QC issues don't exist, but not EVERY rMBP has issues and we generally don't hear about the positive experiences.

Expect buyers to be informed of Apple's still best-in-class products are being released nowadays with significant quality issues.

I'm pretty sure from the 100+ other threads that macrumors members are aware that there are SOME issues on SOME rMBPs, but thanks again for keeping us informed.

 

[twietee]

I own a Retina Macbook Pro, I'm on my 4th.

So calling it an Air eases your brain? How's that? You bought a Rev. A product from Apple (could be almost any other brand as well) that's the issue - and not for everybody btw.

And who defined Pro as user-upgradable anyway? Add AppleCare and there you go..works with any professional workstation supplier too (Dell, Hp, no Apple isn't one of them sadly)-

 

[tdream]

You're missing the point of this thread. The OP is claiming that the rMBP is a 15" MBA and then goes off in every direction. The whole argument about 30 FPS or 60 FPS or 120 FPS is pointless in the context, since the rMBP can achieve the EXACT SAME frames per second as the classic MBP. No one here is claiming that the MBP is a gaming machine. It never has been. It's fine for casual gaming, but that isn't what we're discussing. The point is that the performance of the MBP and the rMBP is exactly the same at the same resolutions.

You wouldn't be able to put a 680 GTX into a laptop anyway, so I think you're off onto some weird tangent, much like the OP.

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The most important point is that the rMBP and the classic MBP have the same performance in what is clearly the most important factor in classifying a machine: frames per second in a first person shooter. So I find it hard how the OP came up with the summation that the rMBP is like the MBA. If this is true, then the classic MBP is also like the MBA, but just bigger and fatter.

I'm not missing the point of this thread because I have read all of it before I posted and only quoted one poster who made some false assumptions. You are doing the classic strawman, arguing my position which I never supposed in the first place. Read my post again and nowhere do I discuss anything to do with rMBP vs MBA. I don't care about that. I was only talking about gaming issues. Which was completely relevant to the post quoted.

You are the one who is misreading the situation.

And yes you can put the 680GTX in a laptop. Wrong again.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680m

 

[theSeb]

I'm not missing the point of this thread because I have read all of it before I posted and only quoted one poster who made some false assumptions. You are doing the classic strawman, arguing my position which I never supposed in the first place. Read my post again and nowhere do I discuss anything to do with rMBP vs MBA. I don't care about that. I was only talking about gaming issues. Which was completely relevant to the post quoted.

You are the one who is misreading the situation.

And yes you can put the 680GTX in a laptop. Wrong again.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680m

A GTX 680M is NOT a GTX 680. These are two completely different products. There is also no such thing as a 680 GTX, as you referred to it in the post that I quoted. Who is the doing the strawman? Really? If you don't include the M, then I have to assume you are referring to the desktop version.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680

Please be specific in the future and have some manners, since you were wrong. Do you think you're the only one who knows that a 680M exists? You seem to have forgotten the difference between a desktop graphics card and a mobile GPU.

 

[rgr555]

rMBP is the best laptop I've ever bought.

And it runs Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 maxed out easily on OSX. I'm surprised every time I play cause this thing is so damn thin, light, and that RETINA!

 

[Mr MM]

A GTX 680M is NOT a GTX 680. These are two completely different products. There is also no such thing as a 680 GTX, as you referred to it in the post that I quoted. Who is the doing the strawman? Really? If you don't include the M, then I have to assume you are referring to the desktop version.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680

Please be specific in the future and have some manners, since you were wrong. Do you think you're the only one who knows that a 680M exists? You seem to have forgotten the difference between a desktop graphics card and a mobile GPU.

the 680m is a 670

 

[theSeb]

the 680m is a 670

Indeed, but with slower core and memory clocks.

 

[tdream]

A GTX 680M is NOT a GTX 680. These are two completely different products. There is also no such thing as a 680 GTX, as you referred to it in the post that I quoted. Who is the doing the strawman? Really? If you don't include the M, then I have to assume you are referring to the desktop version.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680

Please be specific in the future and have some manners, since you were wrong. Do you think you're the only one who knows that a 680M exists? You seem to have forgotten the difference between a desktop graphics card and a mobile GPU.

Now you're just being ignorant, if it's such an off tangent point why does it matter for you. Of course laptop gpus aren't the same but holy cow a graphics card with that much power does exist. You are doing the strawman as you have not apologised for anything and even more rude are asking for manners from someone you incorrectly alleged to have misunderstood when I've done nothing of the sort.

On the contrary what was on wrong on the fact that a 680m gpu existing or you made up an arbitrary argument and sewn it up as my opinion when it clearly wasn't. It's funny how you remained on your high horse even though you're clearly wrong and out to irk people.

Do you want to actually discuss what I'm talking about quality gaming at 60 fps is a completely difference experience than sub 60 or do you want to keep up making arguments on my behalf?

 

[Mr MM]

Indeed, but with slower core and memory clocks.

indeed, which both can be overclock past the 670 levels

 

[bill-p]

No the optimum is 60+, so you can vsync without any issues. The difference between 30 and 60 is huge. Gamers even notice between 60 and 120 since the rMBP can't even do 60, I'm sure you have no experience what that is like. Don't try to convince other it's a gaming machine, it can game decently but it's not an amazing experience you're trying to convey.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the rMBP CAN DO 60.

I know because I own one, and I know it can do 60fps from checking FRAPS running both Diablo 3 and Skyrim.

In fact, it runs at 60fps on a lot of games, too.

I keep wondering why people keep saying it can't. Do you need a video proof or something?