Construction on New Trade Center Tower to Begin on July 4

[Frohickey]

What are the designs? The ones I've seen were modern art-deco, and not a functional bad-@ss building that says "If I were a man and not a building, I would have a set of brass ones!" 😀

I think the new design should have culverts every 100 stories or so for a functional Phalanx system.

 

[wowser]

What are the designs? The ones I've seen were modern art-deco, and not a functional bad-@ss building that says "If I were a man and not a building, I would have a set of brass ones!" 😀

I think the new design should have culverts every 100 stories or so for a functional Phalanx system.

Art Deco? This is the 21st centruy - I very much doubt that was one of the designs 😛 Basically, i'm glad you didn't sedign the building. You have seen the wiining design havn't you?

 

[Frohickey]

Art Deco? This is the 21st centruy - I very much doubt that was one of the designs 😛 Basically, i'm glad you didn't sedign the building. You have seen the wiining design havn't you?

I have. Its that crystal looking thing.

 

[~Shard~]

well the new York skyline is certainly a lot prettier without them. tragedy that it took such an atocity to accomplish something so aesthetically necessary.

The void left by the towers has definitely opened up the area more, I'll give it that. Regardless if the towers were nice or ugly though, the skyline doesn't seem to the same to me.

And it's funny how things work - my brother-in-law is a big real estate dude in New York, and when I was there a couple weeks ago he mentioned to me that he can now charge more for some apartments/condos in the vicinity of the old WTC site. And you know why? Because with the towers gone, some apartments now get more sunlight, so he can charge more for them. Fuunny how things impact each other that you wouldn't initially think about!

 

[wowser]

The new design should at least let more light in than those awful 1970s concrete things.

 

[Earendil]

I am not allowed to have privacy on telephones or electronic communication. Several government agencies have started programs that eavesdrop on citizens, sometimes at random, looking for "terrorist intelligence". Police are no longer required to obtain warrants to tap phone/internet lines. Any intelligence gathered can be used against me for any reason, not just terrorist-related charges.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe the government has been taping telephone conversations with automated computers since the dawn on the computer chip. Whether they put more money into the program, and now actually have a chance at listening to you specifically, I don't know. Computers were auto recording specific words over the telephone long before 9/11.

I am not technically allowed to have a container of household bleach under my kitchen sink. Such items are "chemical weapons of mass destruction". Of course, they're obviously not such weapons, but under the definition of "chemical weapons of mass destruction", most household chemicals could result in federal terrorism charges. That the government has not persued such a case does not matter, they could do so with no hinderances.

I think, unless my study of law and history proves wrong, that you aren't allowed to "make" anything with your household chemicals. I think the law you are referring to came about long before 9/11 to deal with bomb makers. It is also an often misunderstood law. You are allowed to go to a garden supply store and purchase legal chemicals, but as soon as they are mixed they become illegal.

Bleach is not illegal. Bleach along with other chemicals, mixed with the intention to due ill, *IS* illegal.

Tyler
Earendil

 

[latergator116]

I agree that the name "Freedom Tower" is corny and has sort of a blurry meaning (which several people have already pointed out). I think "Sep. 11 memorial tower", "Memorial Building" or something along the lines of that would be more suitable.

 

[MongoTheGeek]

What are the designs? The ones I've seen were modern art-deco, and not a functional bad-@ss building that says "If I were a man and not a building, I would have a set of brass ones!" 😀

I think the new design should have culverts every 100 stories or so for a functional Phalanx system.

🙂 I am not sure I want 3600 20mm DU shells raining down in the tristate area indescrimantely.

A couple of the MTHEL systems they are developing might be a good idea though.

As for the name Freedom Tower I take full blame.

take a look at what I wrote back in october of 2001

http://www.livelys.com/NYC.txt

 

[rainman::|:|]

Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe the government has been taping telephone conversations with automated computers since the dawn on the computer chip. Whether they put more money into the program, and now actually have a chance at listening to you specifically, I don't know. Computers were auto recording specific words over the telephone long before 9/11.

Not legally, they weren't. Which means none of the evidence could be admissible in court, which means it would be utterly pointless to listen to us. Tho i would not doubt the government has had some nefarious techniques for intelligence gathering in the past, it's never been sanctioned like this, and couldn't be used against citizens.

I think, unless my study of law and history proves wrong, that you aren't allowed to "make" anything with your household chemicals. I think the law you are referring to came about long before 9/11 to deal with bomb makers. It is also an often misunderstood law. You are allowed to go to a garden supply store and purchase legal chemicals, but as soon as they are mixed they become illegal.

Bleach is not illegal. Bleach along with other chemicals, mixed with the intention to due ill, *IS* illegal.

As I just said, this is the law as specified in the patriot act, and the new definition of "chemical weapons of mass destruction". Yes there were bomb-making laws, and if you had, say, a detonator, the 500 lbs of fertilizer in your garage could certainly be used against you. I'd go out on a limb and say that's pretty reasonable. But we're not talking about specific bomb-making or anything, they defined as contraband a lot of household chemicals that the average American would have. Normally such a law wouldn't have ever been passed, they have to be very carefully worded to avoid such conflicts. But the patriot act was passed anyway.

What i'm saying is, if the government wanted to arrest you (say, for dissidence), this would be a great reason to do it.

paul

 

[Earendil]

Not legally, they weren't. Which means none of the evidence could be admissible in court, which means it would be utterly pointless to listen to us. Tho i would not doubt the government has had some nefarious techniques for intelligence gathering in the past, it's never been sanctioned like this, and couldn't be used against citizens.

As a law abiding citizen, I don't give a flying hooha if they can legally use it against me in court, I only care that they ARE listening. If the only difference between now and before 9/11 in this case, is that they can now legally use the incriminating evidence against criminals, than what's the big deal? They aren't doing anything they weren't doing before...


As I just said, this is the law as specified in the patriot act, and the new definition of "chemical weapons of mass destruction". Yes there were bomb-making laws, and if you had, say, a detonator, the 500 lbs of fertilizer in your garage could certainly be used against you. I'd go out on a limb and say that's pretty reasonable. But we're not talking about specific bomb-making or anything, they defined as contraband a lot of household chemicals that the average American would have. Normally such a law wouldn't have ever been passed, they have to be very carefully worded to avoid such conflicts. But the patriot act was passed anyway.

What i'm saying is, if the government wanted to arrest you (say, for dissidence), this would be a great reason to do it.

As far as I know, it's basically the same law as before, conerning personally owned chemicals. The only real difference is that they added a few more chemicals to the list. There for, now not only are the gardeners at risk, but so are the janitors 😱
[/sarcasm] 😉

Unless you know something specific to the contrary? I'm all up for enlightenment 😀

Tyler
Earendil

 

[wowser]

but getting back to the tower...

 

[rainman::|:|]

My point was that we've lost freedoms because of 9/11, and I believe I proved my point well. If you'd like to continue discussing the technicalities of one of the points that I made, feel free to PM me, because you are indeed incorrect on the chemical weapons laws. But, let's let them get back to discussing the tower... 🙂

paul

 

[wowser]

My point was that we've lost freedoms because of 9/11, and I believe I proved my point well. If you'd like to continue discussing the technicalities of one of the points that I made, feel free to PM me, because you are indeed incorrect on the chemical weapons laws. But, let's let them get back to discussing the tower... 🙂

paul

For the record, you're spot on with what you say, too 🙂

Will the tower still let the dawn light through on every morning of the 11th of September?

 

[StealthRider]

These are among the reasons that I think that "Freedom Plaza" does not fit. "Hero's Plaza" is a much better name, since everyone that died that day was a hero IMO. Some sought redemption in helping their fellow man, others saw no way out, and others perished doing one of the two.

Wasn't the plaza already named Liberty Plaza?