that's the point of throttling to avoid random shutdowns because of failing battery!
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Consumer Group Sues Apple in Belgium and Spain Over iPhone Throttling
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Ok that’s true, we don’t really know if that statement made after the fact is the real deal or not.
Guess we will never know, we would need to see what would have happened had the update not have “the fixes”. Would the batteries have died or exploded (not exaggerating, it happens on Samsung side)? Would have the phones died? Maybe next time.
Surely then one would need to prove that Apple intended to "lead [you] to believe" something, rather than preserving battery life and avoiding unexpected shutdowns.
Apple have been open about this since the very first time they admitted it, years ago. And they also (openly, or transparently) said they would continue to do this in 2018 with the iPhone 8 and then the iPhone X. There is NOT a lack of transparency, there are just opportunistic lawyers taking advantage of Apple and their attempts to continue the life of an iPhone.
Maybe they should just let the iPhones crash and then people can make up their own mind whether they upgrade or just accept that batteries don't last for ever. But Apple won’t do that, because they have transparently tried to keep these devices lasting longer. If people (like some of the whingers here) can't accept that, they can go buy a grandpa phone.
I think is pretty transparent and a good deal to make an iPhone feel like new again. https://support.apple.com/en-au/iphone/repair/service/battery-power
Except that the throttling was applied only to the 6 and up, if I'm not mistaken. My 5S at that time did not become slower suddenly, nor did it get faster after I changed its battery.
And, if memory serves me right, the throttling happened only when the processor needed more power, so not all the time. Indeed we got a lot to read about many people complaining that their iPhones were slow but I'm still waiting to read about people saying their iPhone became faster with a new battery.
Sure, Apple should have been more transparent about it and could have even put a positive spin about it if they did it properly. They messed up, there is no denying it. Nonetheless these claims and suits still look hollow to me, hence I've been appalled by each outcome as I still can't see how "planned obsolescence" applies here.
This makes sense to me, but we hear about "planned obsolescence" in each and every suit. Winning a trial on this basis in this case is beyond me…
I’ll bite. When did they try to hide defective batteries? Or are you talking about natural deterioration of Lithium Ion batteries?
I think they were too aggressive in shrinking the battery and running the processor a bit hotter in this period.
This meant that iPhones were demanding more than the battery could supply much earlier than previous models.
The throttling was a sensible fix and certainly better than a phone that would otherwise crash.
Interestingly, new M1 MacBooks go the other way with battery life that mean a well used 5 year old M1 MacBook might've only done a couple of hundred cycles (with years to go), where it's Intel predecessor will have been through twice as many cycles in that time (with it's battery about to die).
This meant that iPhones were demanding more than the battery could supply much earlier than previous models.
The throttling was a sensible fix and certainly better than a phone that would otherwise crash.
Interestingly, new M1 MacBooks go the other way with battery life that mean a well used 5 year old M1 MacBook might've only done a couple of hundred cycles (with years to go), where it's Intel predecessor will have been through twice as many cycles in that time (with it's battery about to die).
"Give us the right to have our phones randomly shut down!"
there shouldn’t be an ever. This is stupid and so are the people supporting this ridiculous waste of time and money.
its insane that anyone with even a little technological interest would be supportive of this.
I thought it was confirmed that some of the iPhone 6/6S batteries were faulty which resulted in the shutdown issues. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
That’s just speculation. Where is the data showing how many people were “led to believe [they] needed a new one”?
iPhones seemingly rarely use the amount of processing power they are capable of. This controversy is almost entirely based in perception. Too many unknown variables (i.e. the population of people who felt their phone had gotten “slow”, the population of people who felt that way but never experienced the throttling, etc)
It wasn’t “secretly added” without a warning...Apple mentioned it in the release notes. I don’t think it was sufficient but don’t try to rewrite history and act like it was a clandestine plot.
Holy crap why is this so hard for people to grasp? The issue is not that Apple throttled.. it’s that they did not tell the users.
Where is the data? The fact that Apple was even caught doing this by one person is enough data. If you're here to deny that a slowed down iPhone does not entice people to upgrade to a newer one, well then there is not much to discuss here.
Yeah I mean it kept it running... while throttling it without telling you a simple battery change would resolve the throttling... until Apple was caught in the act...
I’m not sure that was apple’s intention. More like the opposite.
I owned an 6s plus at that time. I remember finding odd that a new phone suddenly shutted down with 10% or so left in the battery. After a software update that didn’t happen again. Had apple not corrected such behaviour, I may have switched phones, but it sure wouldn’t have been an iPhone.
Instead I got 5 years of use until I switched to a 12. And it could have last longer if necessary. In those 5 years my 6s never felt sluggish, but it’s true that I ‘m not really a heavy phone user.
All this to say, I don’t think apple is in the game of planned obsolescence, or at least it didn’t use to be. More than anything, because they want you to repeat.
IF YOU or anyone else had a slower performing phone / laptop would think you need to replace the battery ... then you should not be owning one or get some technical advise.
First check with software used, then the OS (firmware included in terms of laptop)
clear out cache of apps used therein - yes this can be done on iOS itself.
Reboot the device and determine at various battery levels or use case, signal strength/connection type for root cause.
BTW - replacing the battery IF that resolved the issue ... then having a class action lawsuit for mis-communication to recover your $29US battery replacement well that's fine. but never think it's the battery first if the entire phone is slowing down vs just powering off when charge level is at a specific battery percentage.
No. Planned obsolescence would be if Apple did NOTHING and just allowed phones to experience natural degraded performance due to dying batteries. That way owners would upgrade faster. Apple’s only mistake here is solving an issue WITHOUT telling everyone. The battery performance fix actually extended the life of existing iPhones, not pushed people to upgrade.
