No, actually explaining it was the stupid move that got them in trouble. They should have remained quiet about it and maintained that how Apple engineers manage their own chips performance is no one else's business, especially not customers'.
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Consumer Group Sues Apple in Belgium and Spain Over iPhone Throttling
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I thought this was already settled? Maybe those people should buy an Iphone 11 Pro. Cause this things battery has been pretty awesome so far.
I would think to have your phone just die would lead more people to get a new phone...
If they did that, people would complain too. Anything to sue for a few bucks.
Please cite where Apple has stated this (not where other people have asserted that “it must be the case”). If you can’t, then you’re misrepresenting your assumptions as if they were facts.
Users are ignorant. Other users are just always thinking negative. Pretty sad in this case.
this happens only when battery is already unable to power the device at peak consume. With this feature the iPhone can be used anyway without turning off. this happens on any moderns devices since CPU have peak power consumption much higher than idle consume. Users should, like with laptops, change battery in 3-5 years with correct usage.
iOS don't let the device to use peak power, so you can see a quite difference in benchmark but much more less in real life usage. This is intended to help users, simple as that, if you think otherwise you are just plain wrong.
Led who to believe? (ignoring the caveat, some believe clouds are marshmallows)
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I don't believe what Apple did was malicious and wasn't part of a bigger grander scheme for "planned obsolescence" to sell new phones. But suing is easy, winning at times, is much harder.
Thanks for not reading what I wrote.
You’re making assumptions about the subjective observations of people you don’t know.
The feature didn’t turn the device into a brick suddenly. Performance was only “throttled” at key moments in time when the battery may not have been able to support a given operation/activity.
In other words, were all these people really doing things on their phone which caused speed to be “throttled” so often and so significantly that they felt they must get a new phone because it wasn‘t “fast enough” anymore?
You have no idea. You’re just jumping on a sloganeering bandwagon because it feels good and righteous (which is a lot of what’s wrong with discourse in society today, actually).
You don’t know, but that’s not a possibility you probably entertain often, from the sound of it. As for me? I don’t know either. But I’m doubtful the infrequently adjusted speed of the devices, for the vast majority of normal, casual phone users, made the devices seem unusable to the point of requiring replacement. People look for excuses to drop money on new expensive devices all the time, regardless of whether they truly “need” it. Sadly, in this consumeristic world, this sort of activity is what passes for fulfillment, as we lose sight of the meaningful things in life.
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Apple really needs to just be up front about it all and say "This device will eventually reach obsolescence. We are not able to determine at this time, when this device will become obsolete. With advances in technology coming at such a rapid pace, and Apple being at the leading edge of a lot of those advancements, we can only try to give a decent useful life to all of our devices we sell. All of last year's devices are already on the back burner when the newest devices are released for public consumption. This does not automatically make them obsolete, but due to changes in Software, Firmware, and Operating Systems, the devices will not be perpetually relevant." At least they would be the only honest Manufacturer alive at that time...
No one is kicking Microsoft's butt about the same BS anymore... once they stuck it to the masses with the Windows 10 Forced upgrade, they went obsolete in my book, and completely less than forthcoming about all the shortcomings and system issues and fixes and bugs and compatibility issues and tons of other things... but let's all Sue Apple... They lied (didn't tell us something). Windows 10 is why I went MAC all the way.
If you don't like your iPhone products and the way Apple does business, why are you doing business with them? Buy a different brand/model and system... and all the shortcomings they have as well.
In today's world, if you think buying a phone is a 5 year experience... you're a little bit less than realistic about technology. Stretch it as long as you can (or want to)... OK that... but don't expect the world to stand still and coddle your lameness for it. These gadgets are changing so fast it boggles the mind anyway.
No one is kicking Microsoft's butt about the same BS anymore... once they stuck it to the masses with the Windows 10 Forced upgrade, they went obsolete in my book, and completely less than forthcoming about all the shortcomings and system issues and fixes and bugs and compatibility issues and tons of other things... but let's all Sue Apple... They lied (didn't tell us something). Windows 10 is why I went MAC all the way.
If you don't like your iPhone products and the way Apple does business, why are you doing business with them? Buy a different brand/model and system... and all the shortcomings they have as well.
In today's world, if you think buying a phone is a 5 year experience... you're a little bit less than realistic about technology. Stretch it as long as you can (or want to)... OK that... but don't expect the world to stand still and coddle your lameness for it. These gadgets are changing so fast it boggles the mind anyway.
Oh god yes. Because they do some things right and some things well we should ignore the times they act a bit shady.
Goddit.
No, we call out those brands AS WELL.
Users should change battery in 3-5 years? I never got a notification from Apple about it.
I never said throttling CPU power down is something inherently bad, but as mentioned - transparency about it would make all the difference. Many in the past would have rather decided to just replace battery instead of buying a new phone, had they known battery life affects performance so much.
Just the fact that this whole situation was made aware to consumers years later and the number of succesfull lawsuits makes it obvious, Apple did not choose the right approach here.
as a iPhone 6 and 6s user I never once thought
"hey my phone is slow, let's buy a new $660 (at that time) phone", instead of replacing the battery
should apple have communicated better, most definitely but to say it was 'planned obsolescence' is bs
Money grab, government officials will get kickbacks and the consumer will get next to nothing. Soon they will so Apple cause the camera didn't take a "Blue" enough sky.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were lawsuits when the Lightning Connector replaced the 30-pin Dock Connector.
"but muh iHome speaker dock! muh iPhone 5 doesn't fit!"
I actually had an iPhone 5s that suffered the shutdown issue, actually. Randomly, my phone would shut down at 30 or 50% battery. I took to carrying a USB battery pack at all times. It happened the most when I was about to take a picture, particularly in the cold. I didn’t know what was causing it, but it was frustrating having a phone that died at 50%. I really would have preferred having the phone throttle performance to just shutting down.
But people always perceive new software as running slower on old hardware. Sometimes it does, particularly when your device is near the support cutoff. Say you had a middling XP machine from 2002 and upgraded to Vista. Vista would feel particularly slow, especially with Aero on. And there are valid reasons for it, such as architectural changes to the software that require more memory or faster machines (like the move to Mac OS X from Mac OS 9 or the move to Windows NT based systems like Windows 2000 or XP from the MS-DOS based Windows 9x series) or improved graphics that offer a perceived benefit to users (Vista brought with it a proper compositing window manager, of the sort OS X had from launch) or new essential features that consume more memory (iOS 4’s introduction of multitasking or iOS 8’s introduction of extensions). This belief is a lot like a conspiracy theory, there was already the conspiracy theory that “new software makes old hardware run slow in order to drive purchases of new hardware”. Apple adds throttling to prolong the usable life of a device as the battery dies but doesn’t do a good job of communicating the change or the reason for it. All of a sudden, you’ve got the planned obsolescence conspiracy theorists going “oh see, there you go! They’re slowing down old devices, there’s proof!” Which is exactly how any coincidence or seeming confirmation is handled by conspiracy theorists.
But people always perceive new software as running slower on old hardware. Sometimes it does, particularly when your device is near the support cutoff. Say you had a middling XP machine from 2002 and upgraded to Vista. Vista would feel particularly slow, especially with Aero on. And there are valid reasons for it, such as architectural changes to the software that require more memory or faster machines (like the move to Mac OS X from Mac OS 9 or the move to Windows NT based systems like Windows 2000 or XP from the MS-DOS based Windows 9x series) or improved graphics that offer a perceived benefit to users (Vista brought with it a proper compositing window manager, of the sort OS X had from launch) or new essential features that consume more memory (iOS 4’s introduction of multitasking or iOS 8’s introduction of extensions). This belief is a lot like a conspiracy theory, there was already the conspiracy theory that “new software makes old hardware run slow in order to drive purchases of new hardware”. Apple adds throttling to prolong the usable life of a device as the battery dies but doesn’t do a good job of communicating the change or the reason for it. All of a sudden, you’ve got the planned obsolescence conspiracy theorists going “oh see, there you go! They’re slowing down old devices, there’s proof!” Which is exactly how any coincidence or seeming confirmation is handled by conspiracy theorists.
Totally agree . Giving them the benefit of the doubt , it would’ve been great to send out an iOS notification about the deteriorating battery health with the battery needing to be serviced and that throttling measures would be implemented to prevent unexpected shutdown until the battery service occurs . I think that would’ve covered the bases from a transparency and trust standpoint
He was complaining about degraded battery life on his iPhone 6 Plus (after an IOS update) back in the days but never mentioned about random shutdowns or slowdowns, go figure about his reliability
mmmh... back in the days you were complaining about degraded battery life on your iPhone 6 plus but never mentioned any slowdown or shutdown. Your posts are still there.
enlighten me then
„There are no class/collective action test cases, as German law does not provide for class/collective actions as such.“
maybe indeed a German thing then