I have no regrets returning my phone. I think the ppl that are keeping their phone is fawking nuts. Apple will release another phone that fix this problem next year, and all the ppl that bought the phone this year are stuck with a 2 year agreement and can't even upgrade unless they pay full price.
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Consumer Reports 'Can't Recommend' iPhone 4 Due to Signal Issues
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Err... can all lefties just speak for themselves, please? I'm a leftie, but I wouldn't voluntarily hold the phone in my right hand while making a call unless my left hand was in a cast. It's nice for you that you write a lot, myself I pick up a pen once a month or so (thank you, computers).
The only situation where I hold it in my right hand is when I need to type a lot of text (when I'm typing an SMS or something quick I just keep it in my left hand while typing with my thumb).
No two lefties are alike in this respect. I know total lefties who inverse absolutely everything, they keep the mouse on the left side of the keyboard and hold a guitar like Jimi Hendrix. Myself I do everything like a rightie except writing and brushing my teeth.
I'm not a fanboy and rip Apple all the time. The issue is that you have people on one side "design defect *all* iphone 4s suck" and on the other "there is no problem." In reality the issue falls in the middle. I have a friend who got his phone at launch and has the issue. His other friend who got his a week later, no issue. I got mine later and no issue. And, believe me that I have tried hard to replicate the problem by going to know low signal areas and trying to make it happen.
It's not a design defect. IMHO, all signs point to a manufacturing defect with the first batch of phones handed out on release day and possibly the next couple days after. People are posting that as they have received replacement phones the issue is gone, so even more evidence of a manufacturing problem.
Now, how Apple is handling the issue is horrible. My guess is that they still haven't figured out which phones are effected and even if they did they still don't have the stock capacity to offer new ones, so they wait. A little communication would go a long ways with this issue.
The positives far out weigh the negatives to me. That is how I look at it. If I were to live in an area with poor coverage I probably wouldn't get one. But I live in an area with great coverage so it is no big deal. I plan on getting a case no matter what anyway. Its a no brainer to me. If it really bothers you don't get one or take it back if you already purchased one. If it is as big of a deal as you say it is then Apple will pay for it down the road. Time will tell.
We will get IPHONE 5 next year. Apple will make this coating last at least 1 year (or 11 months)
iPHONE not icamara or isomethingelse, instead of putting so much extra crap they should have worried about making the phone part work.
Engadget: Consumer Reports confirms iPhone 4 antenna problems -- and so do we
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-confirms-iphone-4-antenna-problems-and-so-do/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-confirms-iphone-4-antenna-problems-and-so-do/
not scotch tape
I had tried that and it didn't work. He said duct tape and used that!
Found out a hard plastic case works well and so does Best Skins Ever.
I had tried that and it didn't work. He said duct tape and used that!
Found out a hard plastic case works well and so does Best Skins Ever.
sales me nothing if less then 30% of the ppl buying the phone are new. Most of the ppl that are buying the Iphone are upgrading their phones.
Mine Works
I have been a long time iphone user. I upgraded from a 3G to the Iphone4. The new phone is vastly superior. I am not convinced the signal issue is a major problem, as even with the antenna drop issue the reception is still better than my old 3G. Could the phone have been designed better to mitigate this problem, the answer is yes. However, is this phone still better than the prior iphones, again in my opinion the answer is yes. Some people I know will disagree with me, but I just don't see the problem as a major issue after using the phone heavily for over a week in multiple locations. The couple places I have dropped calls, were the places I always dropped calls with AT&T with my old iphone. I should also mention that my observations have been made while using the phone without a case/bumper. I think a lot of people have expectations that every Apple device will be better than it really is. I think some people in these forums literally treat the iPhone4 as the Iphone7 with their expectations. That being said, this is still a superior phone to most on the market, and no I am not a Apple fanboy. Just a long time iphone user.
I have been a long time iphone user. I upgraded from a 3G to the Iphone4. The new phone is vastly superior. I am not convinced the signal issue is a major problem, as even with the antenna drop issue the reception is still better than my old 3G. Could the phone have been designed better to mitigate this problem, the answer is yes. However, is this phone still better than the prior iphones, again in my opinion the answer is yes. Some people I know will disagree with me, but I just don't see the problem as a major issue after using the phone heavily for over a week in multiple locations. The couple places I have dropped calls, were the places I always dropped calls with AT&T with my old iphone. I should also mention that my observations have been made while using the phone without a case/bumper. I think a lot of people have expectations that every Apple device will be better than it really is. I think some people in these forums literally treat the iPhone4 as the Iphone7 with their expectations. That being said, this is still a superior phone to most on the market, and no I am not a Apple fanboy. Just a long time iphone user.
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It sucks for a lot of people that it's happening. Luckily my phone doesn't replicate the problem.
Apple should probably recall the phone though.
Apple should probably recall the phone though.
You are demonstrating a lack of knowledge of basic physics and RF engineering. Yes, software can help to a point. The fact that UMTS uses a CDMA air interface also helps a great deal. But if the cell phone's antenna is detuned, the receiver's ability pick up, filter out from background noise, and amplify the base station's signal is drastically reduced. If the receiver isn't capable of supplying the digital signal processor an input signal from which accurate 1/0 decisions can be made, it's a moot point how good the software is. GIGO.
Then there are all the issues with closed-loop power control and output power of the cell phone's transmitter through a detuned antenna Yeck.
Monumental denial
I have the suspicion that you wouldn't admit even if you experienced the issue on a regular basis...
There are a few MR members who still believe what Apple Inc claims. But I think for most of us, it became obvious that they are misleading people by trying to cover up the issue (literally, with a bumper).
No problems with my iPhone 4. I was able to replicate this issue once, in another part of town, by burying the corner of my phone in my palm as the Internetz taught me to ("Now squeeze real tight, hold, and watch the signal bars!"). But holding it as I normally would I have no problems.
Is it really that hard to rotate the phone in your fingers by 2mm or so to prevent the corner from being covered by your fleshy palm? Really?
And while most (all?) phones have their antenna-killing sensitive spots, it seems only the iPhone's deserves front-page attention.
Seems like a tempest in a teapot to me. Had this not made the evening news, I doubt 90% of the iPhone users who are currently complaining would have even experienced a problem had they not been shown how to replicate it.
In related news, my iPhone camera won't take a decent picture when my finger is covering the lens. WHY CAN'T APPLE DESIGN A CAMERA PHONE THAT WORKS THE WAY I WANT TO HOLD IT???
I'm also waiting for a golf club that will give me a good swing no matter how I hold it. Because I deserve it.
Apple should just give out free bumpers (a complete rip-off at $30 anyway) and put out the PR fire (surely being fueled in part by its competitors). It's not that hard.
I have the suspicion that you wouldn't admit even if you experienced the issue on a regular basis...
There are a few MR members who still believe what Apple Inc claims. But I think for most of us, it became obvious that they are misleading people by trying to cover up the issue (literally, with a bumper).
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This makes me laugh... 10 bucks?? Not a chance. Even if you account for the development and creation of whatever machines and assemblies required it still sits under 10 bucks. And when you dismiss all that one time overhead, each bumper probably costs like 20 cents to make.
Consumer Reports is a respected non-profit organization that started in 1933 by dedicated group of professors, engineers, journalists and labor leaders. It takes no advertising money from commercial companies and it's considered independent. Over the years several of it's testings have revealed major design flaws in products that have led to large recalls and famous cases of lawsuits particularly with automobiles. If they confirm the defect, it's a big deal. They have a rep for being careful and thorough in their testing.
Amazing...
It never ceases to amaze me that an individual without the finger of death problem thinks that really there is no problem.
There's no problem for you. Congrats.
Now back to our story: there's a problem.
It never ceases to amaze me that an individual without the finger of death problem thinks that really there is no problem.
There's no problem for you. Congrats.
Now back to our story: there's a problem.
Speak for yourself. I've had no problems with my iPhone 4. It's an awesome phone, the best I've ever seen. I'm not saying there isn't a problem for some but not for everybody. People who are happy aren't as vocal as people who are angry, this is not as big a problem as it seems, probably.
What the heII are you doing on this forum dude? Why don't you join the other geeks at some fandroid forum... Here you may learn how to install Linux, and download warez on your newborn EVOs (ohh Sorry... I forgot... No battery)
Signal Issues
My twopenn'orth: maybe I'm just lucky, or Orange UK is an exceptional network [unlikely!] but I can't report any discernible difference in call quality/lost signal than my 3GS.
Yes, I have a case on my 4G but I would have one anyway irrespective of any signal issues.
Like I say, maybe I'm lucky but I'm loving my 4G.
My twopenn'orth: maybe I'm just lucky, or Orange UK is an exceptional network [unlikely!] but I can't report any discernible difference in call quality/lost signal than my 3GS.
Yes, I have a case on my 4G but I would have one anyway irrespective of any signal issues.
Like I say, maybe I'm lucky but I'm loving my 4G.
Hopefully apple will release the white iPhones and they will have a minor hardware fix and then apple will recall all 2 millionish black iPhones and then we'll be good. It'll be interesting to see if this "software fix" works.
why do you people come to apple message boards?
works perfect for me, sucks if it doesnt work perfect for you.
if you don't like it, return it for a full refund.
Too many pages to sift through, Agreed though all the same. Every model that has came out has been "tuned" down in some way. Only time will tell what the outcome of this whole situation will be