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CR can't recommend the iPhone 4 based on a bench test that showed a 20dB drop. They didn't test how often that actually matters. They didn't specify what they think an acceptable level of attenuation would be, or compare it to any other phones.

In the Chicago area, where AT&T is pretty lousy, the iPhone 4 outperforms the 3GS, even with your finger on the gap. Isn't that what matters?

I did remember the video from CR saying they did compare it to others phones.... but how wouldn't it matter if you travel around in different areas and have your calls/data drop? Isn't a cell phone supposed to be mobile?
 
Congratulations, you've finally achieved the epitome of the American stereotype. What's next, saying Steve Jobs is the Anti-Christ, or that he wants to take your freedom away? Tell me, why does that terrorist Steve hate our freedom?!

USA! USA!

sigh.

What ARE you going on about? Isn't that traditional Buddhist headress?

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Wow, we have gone WAAAY off topic here. I can't believe the mods haven't reared us back around on SOME SEMBLANCE of a topic.

I haven't seen something go this awry here on MR for years.

If you look at the "Member since" dates on a lot of the commentators who are extremely anti-Apple and antagonistic "June 2010" seems to be a rather significant date. Interesting.
 
Congratulations, you've finally achieved the epitome of the American stereotype. What's next, saying Steve Jobs is the Anti-Christ, or that he wants to take your freedom away? Tell me, why does that terrorist Steve hate our freedom?!

USA! USA!

sigh.

Not to mention it's an INSULT to the lives taken from 9/11 and many other terrorist attacks. Having lost friends in the WTC, I find that image to be INFURIATING. I've had it with this child, he needs to GROW UP and get over it already. Where are the mods?!
 
If you look at the "Member since" dates on a lot of the commentators who are extremely anti-Apple and antagonistic "June 2010" seems to be a rather significant date. Interesting.

Could be that was about the time Jobs declared war on flash?

I wouldn't blame adobe and people, like me, who put quite an investment into learning flash, or those who actually BOUGHT CS, for a single second.

Just another indication of Jobs', well, yeah, sickness.

Or call it what it is; imperialism.

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Zero stake in the iPhone doesn't mean zero stake in Apple.

I'd venture to say I've spent more on Apple hardware and software in a year than most iPhone users will in a lifetime, and have far more to lose than iCrap iBrats.

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DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

Trolling is the subtle art of posting crap online to get a response from from other users, otherwise dealing on perfectly good on-topic thread.
 
I'm getting it regardless of what CR says. Though I do see how it may impact some purchases for individuals who generally let CR guide their purchases.
 
If you look at the "Member since" dates on a lot of the commentators who are extremely anti-Apple and antagonistic "June 2010" seems to be a rather significant date. Interesting.

I don't know that there is a correlation between join date and intelligence/experience. Large numbers of "misinformed" individuals signed up years before me, and many gurus still have the rank of "newbie." Assumptions based on these factors alone are anecdotal at best.
 
If you look at the "Member since" dates on a lot of the commentators who are extremely anti-Apple and antagonistic "June 2010" seems to be a rather significant date. Interesting.

Hey wait.... I'm new to macrumors and I'm not bashing Apple. Had the iPhone 3G and 3GS so not new to Apple. This thread is a discussion(?) about CR and their non-recommendation of the IP4 because of the antenna reception issue. I don't think being a newer member assumes anything.
 
Not to mention it's an INSULT to the lives taken from 9/11 and many other terrorist attacks. Having lost friends in the WTC, I find that image to be INFURIATING. I've had it with this child, he needs to GROW UP and get over it already. Where are the mods?!

Great. I'll be sending you the bill for my facilities switch to windows. Low six figures, but I'm sure a genius like you can handle it.

Or borrow it from your bud Steve.

EVERYONE lost friends in the WTC, bud, and that picture has nothing to do with 9-11. You're losing your mind.

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Consumer Reports is a well respected independent testing company with a print magazine. Car companies covet a Consumer Reports recommendation. The story will have legs, as they say.

That said, I don't think their opinion is as respected as it once was.
 
good job consumer reports! at least someone not sucking up to job's @$$ and providing a honest recommendation.

edit: when they are going to test and also find that the bumper doesn't do jack to help the signal, it's going to get worse.

Its time for Apple to give us that bumper for free.
err, no. they need to fix this issue, not a half @$$ed solution...change the manufacturing process and put a coating or whatever to resolve this issue. issue a recall for all of the people who already got one.
 
Can we now address the problem

I would think they need to finally address the problem now and stop skipping around like a first year company. SJ really needs to save face with this one. Especially if this can't be fixed with software. I feel let down as a loyal customer. This could have been caught in testing easily and denial of the problem just leads to mistrust. Bummer. :(
 
I don't know that there is a correlation between join date and intelligence/experience. Large numbers of "misinformed" individuals signed up years before me, and many gurus still have the rank of "newbie." Assumptions based on these factors alone are anecdotal at best.

Hey wait.... I'm new to macrumors and I'm not bashing Apple. Had the iPhone 3G and 3GS so not new to Apple. This thread is a discussion(?) about CR and their non-recommendation of the IP4 because of the antenna reception issue. I don't think being a newer member assumes anything.

I just found it interesting as soon as these iPhone 4 issues came around, there have been an increasing number of trolls on MacRumors who have been antagonizing others. Sure there are a few who have been proudly trolling this site for years, but there recently has been a surge in them.
 
If you look at the "Member since" dates on a lot of the commentators who are extremely anti-Apple and antagonistic "June 2010" seems to be a rather significant date. Interesting.

You don't think that maybe because those users have never had a reason to complain? How many people go on forums to rant and rave about a great product?

I've been using MR for years (mainly the front page and occasionally viewing the forums), but I have never felt the need to post because I've been happy with every mac product I've had until now (and that's 6 of them)

Don't you think it's funny how many of the people that are refuting this as a major issue have been members here for years and have thousands of posts -- They must be Apple fanboys who think Apple can do no wrong. Yeah, that statement sounds pretty ridiculous too, doesn't it :rolleyes:
 
Not to mention it's an INSULT to the lives taken from 9/11 and many other terrorist attacks. Having lost friends in the WTC, I find that image to be INFURIATING. I've had it with this child, he needs to GROW UP and get over it already. Where are the mods?!

Wow. You know you've REALLY succeeded when you've united clueless left wing with even more clueless right wing against you.

It's been a bang-up day. Time for din-din.

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Welcome to the world of crazy Mac fanboi daytraders.

And very angry ones at that.

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Dude you've made you point, calm down, not everyone is going to agree with you but if you keep digging at it you'll only make more people not agree with you.

Personally I agree with some of what you say but disagree with some points you've brought up besides the iP4.
 
I just found it interesting as soon as these iPhone 4 issues came around, there have been an increasing number of trolls on MacRumors who have been antagonizing others. Sure there are a few who have been proudly trolling this site for years, but there recently has been a surge in them.

I'm sure some fit your description. Hard to control who posts here.

But the discussion here has no more real value for me. Lets all hope Apple fixes the issues so we can have a great smartphone that they intended it to be.
 
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