Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

[cmaier]

Probably read more of the thread and realized the pics wouldn't make any difference. People here will call him a liar no matter what he posts.

Come on. You don't think he was lying? I mean the guy started out claiming 2 out of 3 were bent. Then pressed on it he changed to "well, one got better." Then pressed some more he said he couldn't take a picture because he had no camera. When it was pointed out he had already said his wife also has an iPhone 6 (with a camera) she was suddenly at work all weekend. His story kept changing and he got caught forgetting what he had previously claimed.

 

[declandio]

that isn't the way it works -- the asserter of a statement has to back it up. its even part of the rules of MR

The latest iteration currently being tested- faster, more accurate.. "which has been adopted by organizations in more than 20 countries throughout the world, including police forces..."

http://www.nec.com/en/global/solutions/security/products/face_recognition.html

Old school version introduced by Newham Council in the late '90's

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/facerecognition-cctv-launched-1178300.html

"Automatic face recognition systems in Newham-
Since 1998, Newham (pop. 235,000) has piloted face recognition software. Images are compared against a police ‘watch-list’, which is authorised by a senior police officer, of approximately 100 convicted offenders wanted for arrest or considered likely to re-offend. CCTV operators are privy only to the personal data that is necessary for this purpose. An operator verifies matches made by the software and for false alarms the CCTV image is deleted. The system is highly publicised to deter crime; youths placed on the list are taken to view the system’s capabilities. Crime in CCTV areas has dropped by an average of 35%, but motor vehicle crime in the surrounding non-CCTV areas has risen by 10%. Crimes against property have risen and crimes against people have become less common. However, again it is not possible to identify how far these effects are directly attributable to CCTV use, as other crime reduction measures (e.g. community wardens) were introduced alongside."

Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology document from 2002

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...aOaIOWFn_DdDUHw&bvm=bv.76247554,d.d2s&cad=rjt

TfL have it on the Underground.

There's even a Home Office guidance note called "Home Office Recommendations for Facial Recognition"

http://www.eteknix.com/uk-police-trials-the-worlds-fastest-face-recognition-system/

They tried it just after the London Riots 3 years ago (not very successfully) and also had it for London 2012 Olympics. "To compliment the already famed CCTV infrastructure within London, new number plate and facial recognition software has been implemented."

http://www.army-technology.com/features/featurelondon-2012-olympics-games-security-strategy/

Big brother is watching you. If you don't think it's out there you're a fool. If you think they just 'trial' it and then rip it out, you're also a fool. Especially since 9/11. It's for our own security don't you know. The ultimate justification for stealing liberty from a population.

 

[rGiskard]

I'm not giving you names, you don't need it. With a little research you can find how many vocal complainers here, not even iPhone users, are quite well known bashers performing this kind of crusade almost at every Apple launch of iGadgets. And you can be sure, most of them will tell you they are very loyal Apple customers since 1926, owning almost every Apple products released in the last century or so.
At the end what's my point? Haters gonna hate, especially with Apple involved. Actually Apple is the only brand capable of ignite such a flame on haters.

I think part of the phenomenon you're seeing is that some of us (guilty!) only feel compelled to post when there is a problem. If an Apple product just works, we happily use it without seeking out a forum to proclaim something like "this MacBook is an incredible design achievment!". I could post that every day about my MacBook Pro 17" i7 - it is the best laptop I've ever used, perfect in every way I can think of. Same goes (mostly) for my Mac Pro.

I believe Apple design peaked a few years ago. At some point, the quest for thinner lost it's purpose and Apple's miniaturization was done just because it could be done, without asking if it improved a product. Case in point: why does an iMac need to be so thin? If it were thicker, cooling could be enhanced and access doors could be added for drive bays. Ports could go on the side for easy access. Yet go back to the G5 iMacs, and those actually were a bit clunky and could benefit from a little more thin.

I think that's partly why the iPhone 6 is such a lightning rod: the inexplicable obsession with thin has now significantly compromised the durability and usefulness of a product. A thicker iPhone would be more rigid, easier to hold, and feature untouchable battery life. It would have been a chance for Apple to regain lost market share in one swift stroke.

 

[Max(IT)]

The world isn't all a conspiracy. Lew actually likes apple, I mean seriously. In the description of the bent uncut video, he says he bought a 12-core Mac Pro. He uses iPhones quite a lot, if you even watched his videos before this bent gate fiasco.

This man could actually be cashing in on a problem that is respectable? No way.

Yes Yes, and he's the good Samaritan trying to save the world....

On a side note, most of the Apple haters on the web claim to own dozens of Apple devices.
If you don't like a product, and you really dislike the brand behind it, how many devices from that brand are you going to buy?

 

[carves]

Interesting things these facts.
The iPhone 6 actually takes drops pretty well and does stand up well to "average" people sitting on it.

I'm still waiting for the hundreds of thousands of bending complaints. This is a real issue, I dont understand why it's taking so long to come to light...

Facts are funny things; according to consumer reports, it takes about half the force to bend a 6 as it does to bend a 5S, so it's about half as resistant to bending in the real world. That's a big difference. If a 50% reduction is acceptable, why not 75%? How weak is too weak.

My girlfriends 5S is slightly bent, so I think it was already pushing it. She weighs 125. Consumer reports says the 5s bends at about 130, and the 6 at 70

 

[H2SO4]

Exactly, it's opinion. Don't state opinions as fact. I'm not. I'm just stating how it worked for me. I'm not saying it's that way for everyone. That's because my usage is probably completely different yours or his. I have no doubt that some people had continuous antenna issues if they were on their phones often, and made a lot of calls. I don't, so I didn't experience the same thing. I never said they were lying, just that I didn't experience it.

Great, but remember just because you didn’t notice it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
When Apple spoke about it, they approached the operators for the number of dropped calls. What they didn’t do was demonstrate how much signal loss there was from shorting the antennas, what they did do IIRC was recalibrate those bars instead.
Your experience doesn’t mean there wasn’t a bad design. It was very likely masked by a sufficiently strong signal, surely you can see this?
It is a fact that shorting the antennas will cause a problem, the size of the problem leads to your experience?

 

[Max(IT)]

I won't, because now I know that I can't do the same thing I have done with all phones I have had since 1996 when I got my first cellular phone. Keep it in my pocket and never worry about it.

My phone in 1996 was a 3 cm plastic brick with a 1.5" plastic display..... Quite different from your iPhone.

 

[H2SO4]

The latest iteration currently being tested- faster, more accurate.. "which has been adopted by organizations in more than 20 countries throughout the world, including police forces..."

http://www.nec.com/en/global/solutions/security/products/face_recognition.html

Old school version introduced by Newham Council in the late '90's

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/facerecognition-cctv-launched-1178300.html

"Automatic face recognition systems in Newham-
Since 1998, Newham (pop. 235,000) has piloted face recognition software. Images are compared against a police ‘watch-list’, which is authorised by a senior police officer, of approximately 100 convicted offenders wanted for arrest or considered likely to re-offend. CCTV operators are privy only to the personal data that is necessary for this purpose. An operator verifies matches made by the software and for false alarms the CCTV image is deleted. The system is highly publicised to deter crime; youths placed on the list are taken to view the system’s capabilities. Crime in CCTV areas has dropped by an average of 35%, but motor vehicle crime in the surrounding non-CCTV areas has risen by 10%. Crimes against property have risen and crimes against people have become less common. However, again it is not possible to identify how far these effects are directly attributable to CCTV use, as other crime reduction measures (e.g. community wardens) were introduced alongside."

Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology document from 2002

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...aOaIOWFn_DdDUHw&bvm=bv.76247554,d.d2s&cad=rjt

TfL have it on the Underground.

There's even a Home Office guidance note; "

http://www.eteknix.com/uk-police-trials-the-worlds-fastest-face-recognition-system/

They tried it just after the London Riots 3 years ago (not very successfully) and also had it for London 2012 Olympics. "To compliment the already famed CCTV infrastructure within London, new number plate and facial recognition software has been implemented."

http://www.army-technology.com/features/featurelondon-2012-olympics-games-security-strategy/

Big brother is watching you. If you don't think it's out there you're a fool. If you think they just 'trial' it and then rip it out, you're also a fool. Especially since 9/11. It's for our own security don't you know. The ultimate justification for stealing liberty from a population.

mdelvecchio. Pwned?

 

[shady25]

Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed

Facts are funny things; according to consumer reports, it takes about half the force to bend a 6 as it does to bend a 5S, so it's about half as resistant to bending in the real world. That's a big difference. If a 50% reduction is acceptable, why not 75%? How weak is too weak.



My girlfriends 5S is slightly bent, so I think it was already pushing it. She weighs 125. Consumer reports says the 5s bends at about 130, and the 6 at 70

This is interesting and all but I'm looking for the numerous complaints about the so called bend prone iPhone 6, not information regarding your gf.

This isn't something people would just sweep under the rug you know.

 

[cmaier]

Facts are funny things; according to consumer reports, it takes about half the force to bend a 6 as it does to bend a 5S, so it's about half as resistant to bending in the real world. That's a big difference. If a 50% reduction is acceptable, why not 75%? How weak is too weak.

Your conclusion does not follow. Half the force may still be far above anything bending force found "in the real world."

 

[appleii.c]

I PROMISE you that you will not be able to claim a tyre warranty due to a puncture if you whack a pothole. It’s not considered fair wear and tear, (another way of saying normal use). I don’t mind betting that you….in fact no.
I’m telling you flat out that, you do get away with it puncture free the vast majority of the time. Why is that please?

But this is my point. You purchase items partly based on the circumstances in which you will use them. A tire puncture is not a defect in the product itself. Its a result of the environment in which it was used. The roads I drive on a daily basis are well paved, no potholes, no construction. I have had maybe one tire puncture in the last 5 years. If I drove to a construction site, i guarantee you I would not be riding PZero's to work. But since I am at "low risk" to puncture a tire, I don't choose tires based on their "puncture rating". I know I'm still at risk, but it's not going to alter my decision.

 

[Max(IT)]

Yep, it still bends.
How many times do we have to bend it to prove it bends?
I was convinced the first time.

Exactly how many iPhone did you bend?
And who are you referring when you said "we have to bend..."?
Who is "we"?
Do you mean some army of haters? Or would you prefer to see them like Holy Crusader?

It's getting more ridiculous at every page

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I tried to bend a 6+ at the Apple Store, it did not bend. Now I have a 6+ gold 128 on order.

I really hope you are not serious about you trying to bend an iPhone at the store....

 

[z chamber]

"“I plugged the phone in to charge overnight, and nothing was amiss,” Latiolais tells GeekWire. “I’d been taking a lot of photos and was so paranoid about hurting my brand new phone that I kept it in my coat pocket or hand all night. When I got home, I propped the phone against the wall to charge overnight. When I pulled it off the charger in the morning, it was bent along the angle it leaned on the wall. It’s almost as if it sagged. In fact, looking closely at it … I can see it’s not so much bent as curved, rounded almost.”"

So my question: Who charges their phone like this?

Image

Sorry, story smells fishy.

Who cares how he places the phone while charging?
He was able to get a replacement at the Seattle apple store, doesn't that mean something is a miss? And if your ready to call him a liar, care to back it up?

 

[rsocal]

As I said earlier. The strength issue is not what's made me cancel two orders of the 6, (it’s the ugliness). I think I am careful enough to avoid the issues in this thread but I do think that Apple have dropped the ball and sailed too close to the sun here.

Why did you order in the first place if you were not happy with the design?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just curious.

I have a 6+ and my daughter a 6, and I can tell you this whole thing is ************!

 

[zipa]

WTF Apple? You can't even make it bend properly?

 

[Max(IT)]

I don't believe either test is a good simulation of pocket stress. The only advantage of the thumb-finger bend is that it targeted the weak point.

.... doing something today stupid that has absolutely nothing to do with NORMAL usage of a phone...

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Note 3 = 150lbs
6+ = 90lbs

But, but it's cheap plastic

Durability has nothing to do with torsion resistance

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So what richardsonrs from this thread says about his phone is not true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQxX_x3HTXQ
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19935054/

We know he bent his phone, and had it replaced for free. We don't know how he bent it.

 

[osofast240sx]

The galaxy note for has a noticeable gap problem beween the screen and chassis

#Gapgate

 

[H2SO4]

But this is my point. You purchase items partly based on the circumstances in which you will use them. A tire puncture is not a defect in the product itself. Its a result of the environment in which it was used. The roads I drive on a daily basis are well paved, no potholes, no construction. I have had maybe one tire puncture in the last 5 years. If I drove to a construction site, i guarantee you I would not be riding PZero's to work. But since I am at "low risk" to puncture a tire, I don't choose tires based on their "puncture rating". I know I'm still at risk, but it's not going to alter my decision.

Ok, we’re going round in circles now, not unlike the side profile of the new iPhone 6.
I was actually on P-Zeros, I’m now on Michelin Pilot Sport 3, (in a 35 profile). Defects aside, I have absolute faith that they and the wheel will hold up under repeated pothole events. The company that manufactured them made them strong enough to cope with normal use and then some. Apple did not. I expect a premium something or other to stand up to more than a run of the mill something or other.

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Why did you order in the first place if you were not happy with the design?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, just curious.

I have a 6+ and my daughter a 6, and I can tell you this whole thing is ************!

I thought I could see past it but my OCD wouldn’t let me.

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Yes Yes, and he's the good Samaritan trying to save the world....

On a side note, most of the Apple haters on the web claim to own dozens of Apple devices.
If you don't like a product, and you really dislike the brand behind it, how many devices from that brand are you going to buy?

Call them out, ask for the evidence of purchases with, how does it go? A bit of paper with their forum name on it in a photo. Just because you like and admire a brand you should turn a blind eye to an obvious flaw in one, (or two), of their products?

 

[scaredpoet]

Who cares how he places the phone while charging?

I care, because I don't think he was up front about how the phone bent. I think it's more likely he either 1. sat on it hard, or 2. tried to do his own "bendgate" test and when it bent, he had to come up with this "I charge my phone upside down and against the wall while standing it up on the carpet" explanation to tell people it just did it with gravity.

He was able to get a replacement at the Seattle apple store, doesn't that mean something is a miss?

I think it means a store manager may have been made aware that he was the subject of a story, and to avoid further drama, they made an exception and gave him a replacement. Squeaky wheels get greased.

And if your ready to call him a liar, care to back it up?

http://www.businessinsider.com/i-wa...o-bend-the-iphone-6-plus-pretty-easily-2014-9

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/consumer-reports-tests-iphone-6-bendgate/index.htm

And the lack of any Youtube videos that demonstrate an iPhone 6 or 6 plus can bend merely using the force of the earth's gravity, when laid at an angle against a wall.

 

[rsocal]

Ok, we’re going round in circles now, not unlike the side profile of the new iPhone 6.
I was actually on P-Zeros, I’m now on Michelin Pilot Sport 3, (in a 35 profile). Defects aside, I have absolute faith that they and the wheel will hold up under repeated pothole events. The company that manufacturered them made them strong enough to cope with normal use and then some. Apple did not.
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I thought I could see past it but my OCD wouldn’t let me.

There are so tire many options out there and I'm sure one is stronger. Does that make Michelin Pilot Sport 3' any less of a quality tire?

I can buy an off road tire that I'm sure could out do the strength of the Michelin's.

Maybe the strength needs are different for each intended use.

If you want a stronger phone, CR did it for you. Buy the one that suits you needs!

I've been using my 6+ for over a week in my front pocket without incident, and quite a few (millions) people have!

If you do not have an iPhone 6 or 6+ you don't know ****!

BTW, I see a lot of cars that have had Michelin tires blow out after hitting potholes or god forbid accidents.

 

[apolloa]

Yes Yes, and he's the good Samaritan trying to save the world....

On a side note, most of the Apple haters on the web claim to own dozens of Apple devices.
If you don't like a product, and you really dislike the brand behind it, how many devices from that brand are you going to buy?

Who says these people dislike the brand? You are only assuming that people like myself that post negative things must hate Apple. Your stating that you can ONLY use a product so long as you NEVER complain about the company that made it? That's your assumption? Or that if you complain about a product a company makes you shouldn't buy any of its other products?

That would make us all blind corporate robots with no opinions or voices.

 

[77CAR]

Hey 77CAR, let us know how you make out with your return.

All good Bilbo63. They took the phone out back at my local Apple Store for the "senior engineer" to inspect. Within five minutes they had agreed to replace the phone. Although there was no stock but they are calling as soon as one comes in then I can do the actual swap.

 

[apolloa]

Do you have proof of it not being?

So I take your answer means no then. And you are the one that has to provide the proof as you are the one making the claim.

 

[declandio]

So I take your answer means no then. And you are the one that has to provide the proof as you are the one making the claim.

you need to pay more attention. scroll back a few pages. I'm going to bed. have fun arguing about nothing.

 

[grahamperrin]

… SquareTrade said these new iPhones are the most durable iPhones yet. …

For at least two reasons, I can not believe that the 6 and 6 Plus are the most durable of iPhones.

New iPhones Come Up Big in SquareTrade Breakability Tests (2014-09-22)

My first reason for disbelief: their video on YouTube shows drop testing that appears unrealistic.

… Premium means a more delicate device …

I disagree with that meaning. From the definitions given by Dictionary.app I believe that 'premium', applied to a consumer electronics product, has the following meaning:

"… a sum added to an ordinary price or charge … relating to or denoting a commodity or product of superior quality and therefore a higher price …"

For something that would be primarily a 'phone, I do not treat 'less durable' (more delicate) as 'superior quality'.

Strength and durability of a product are important to me in a premium product - especially in a portable electronic device. I respect if that is not as important to you. I was not asking for stronger … The new iPhones are near the bottom of phone durability results - not what I like to see.

… I believe … that Apple have taken this thickness/thinness thing too far. That opinion also extends to their desktops and portable computers. …

… would you have noticed or even thought badly of the device/company if it had been 1mm thicket and had a better battery and been slightly stronger because of this?

I think not. There is a point when things are thin enough. …

… I just want Apple to make it more durable …

I put my iP6+ in my pocket all the time. When I get in my car, I take it out. When I sit at my desk I take it out. If I go on the subway, I'll take it out. The ONLY possible way I can see bending my phone, will be at an amusement park riding some roller coster or high impact ride.

Point here is to acknowledge what it is in your lifestyle that may cause your phone to bend. If you want/like a thin phone and what it has to offer, there may be things you need to do care for it. …

I would want smartphone-oriented features (I do not treat thinness as a feature) as part of a more carefree lifestyle. Not more careful.

It's more fragile than an older iPhone. That is an issue. Just because it's not meant to fall or have pressure applied to it, doesn't mean that these things will not happen. …

As someone who carried an iPhone 5 in my pocket without a case for two years … The chances of an iPhone 5 bending without the use of a vice is nil.

Not only that, but it looks fantastic despite the two years of daily use …

That's reassuring – thanks. Still, I'm interested in overall durability (not bending alone) of both iPhone 5 and iPhone 6.

Is there any reasonable (not necessarily 'scientific') set of measurements of how the modern iPhones compare to the original?

… I have an original iPhone (MB213B) that was refurbished and gifted to me in April 2012. Good battery life, more than fast enough. No complaints about any aspect. …

From February 2008:

I'm still on my first iPhone, and it hasn't given me ANY trouble! I've only dropped it once, which resulted in a small dent on the top corner. Other than that...it's still pretty much flawless! …

my 8gb refurb has never had any issues ....

Got mine on launch day, too. A few drops on tile floors and carpet later it still works fine. I've never had a problem with it and can't imagine my life without it now. Waiting in line was the best investment of two hours I've spent in a long time.

I wonder whether any of those people still have an original.

My ownership has included at least drop on concrete. Beyond that, I don't know how many times it has been dropped over six or so years (including the four before I got it) but I see dents on two corners, and as far as I recall it appeared pristine in 2012.

From March 2008:

… iPhone screen has been switched from plastic to ultra thin touch sensitive glass. Because of it's thinness, its break-ability has increased …

Briefly: was that a reasonable observation? (I spent a fair amount of time searching the web a couple of days ago, I found articles such as Mission:Repair Blog | The truth about the Original 2G iPhone Glass and Digitizer Replacement! (2008) but could not find a simple explanation/verification of that reported 'switch'.)

A little more retro stuff:

PC World – How Tough Is the iPhone? (video probably no longer available).

Are white iPhones cracking?