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Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed
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Your opinion about Steve Jobs says a lot about your understanding of computer history....
This is where our perceptions differ. Not saying you are wrong, just that I have a different belief when it comes to "Quality/Premium = stronger/more durable". In some cases, yes. but only if it's intent is to be so. For example. If I buy a premium pair of work boots, I fully expect them to outlast a pair purchased at a bargain store. If not then I would consider them a failure. And again, back to my Shoes analogy, I have owned what I consider "Premium" leather shoes made from soft leathers (calf skin, deer etc.) and I've also owned basic "NON premium" every day leather shoes... some even with rubber bottoms. Guess which have been more durable?
So I don't automatically equate "premium" with "durability" in every scenario. Durability is not the premium in Apple's phones. Maybe it is in others, but not Apple. Just as I'm sure "Customer Experience" is not the premium in some other manufacturers.
Have you noticed how many have August 2014 registration dates? I wonder what that's about.
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Go back and look at what phones looked like and their capabilities before the first iPhone came out and explain to us how Apple lacks innovation.
Have you noticed how many have August 2014 registration dates? I wonder what that's about.
And even more naysayers with Sep 2014 register dates.
I'm not interested in that number.
If a competing company planned to engage in sock puppetry or the like, I assume that it would have the intelligence to begin its puppetry-related registrations well in advance. Much sooner than August.
For relative newcomers who are not puppets, the dismissal/devaluation of their contributions may be extremely insulting.
Consumer Reports: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus Not as Bendable as Believed
We BOTH know that the tyre you spoke of and the one I spoke of are tyres that have very low sidewalls and are premium brands.
You conveniently missed that I said I expect a premium item to last well and give me better than expected use.
We both know all tyres exceed the requirements of the warranty when it comes to something that does not fall into normal use like potholes.
Jeez I'm talking summer CAR tyres and you move it on to caterpillar tracks. LOL
Can either of us guage the breaking point of the iP6 frame? You won't and I can't. So not having a 6 does not disqualify me from a valid opinion.
There are so tire many options out there and I'm sure one is stronger. Does that make Michelin Pilot Sport 3' any less of a quality tire?
I can buy an off road tire that I'm sure could out do the strength of the Michelin's.
Maybe the strength needs are different for each intended use.
If you want a stronger phone, CR did it for you. Buy the one that suits you needs!
I've been using my 6+ for over a week in my front pocket without incident, and quite a few (millions) people have!
If you do not have an iPhone 6 or 6+ you don't know ****!
BTW, I see a lot of cars that have had Michelin tires blow out after hitting potholes or god forbid accidents.
We BOTH know that the tyre you spoke of and the one I spoke of are tyres that have very low sidewalls and are premium brands.
You conveniently missed that I said I expect a premium item to last well and give me better than expected use.
We both know all tyres exceed the requirements of the warranty when it comes to something that does not fall into normal use like potholes.
Jeez I'm talking summer CAR tyres and you move it on to caterpillar tracks. LOL
Can either of us guage the breaking point of the iP6 frame? You won't and I can't. So not having a 6 does not disqualify me from a valid opinion.
Quick question H2... Has your iPhone 6 bent under normal use already? And I mean without you "intentionally" trying to bend it? If not, then give it a try. You may be surprised and this premium item just may exceed your expectations. They are very low right now. If it DOES exceed it, then going by what you said, it has done it's job.
I've lived thru it and watched the change with my own eyes.
If only he'd not done what he did, but hey, the deed has been done, the industry focus change, so have to live with it, and look back at the golden age before the companies around the world wanted some of the money Apple was making and tried to copy them, stopping the real advancement.
So you think that he tried to bend his expensive phone while at the same time bruise his own a$$ by "sitting on it hard" just so that he could get another of the same phone he just lost?
He never said it was gravity nor the wall that did the deed. Where are your getting this from.
The guy is a developer not a reporter. The Seattle store itself was never the subject of a story nor was the manager and I don't believe the manager is telepathic.
Again he never claimed it was do to gravity itself. Lack of Youtube videos for something he never claimed doesn't discount his story. Beside any Youtube videos challenging Apples offical line is immediately considered as fraudulent in this thread by many of its posters.
Yes, not having one disqualifies you!
You brought the tire comparison up, and I"m the one that got off track....?
Your question, Can either of us gauge the breaking point of the iP6 frame, I can't, but CR did a great job of that! I can tell you for sure with experience, it's not going to bend in you pocket under normal use! Maybe they're will be people that do, but, I really doubt honest people will! If they do, I'm sure Apple will take care of it!
Your just a another punk mouthing off with nothing to stand on!
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Exactly!
It's an anecdote, but my example is her phone, that is 2x as strong, is already slightly bent. She didn't notice until I pointed it out, so there was no memorable damaging event. If that was the appropriate strengeth for the 5s and everything before it, why so much weaker now? It's not because of any decision to make it weaker- they wanted it thinner. That makes it much less resistant to bending forces. It's like taking the web out of an I-beam, or comparing corrugated sheet metal to non-corrugated. This was a predictible consequense. Let's say some technology breakthrough allows us to make the whole phone foil thin. Would it be a good idea to do so, just because we can, and live with the durability of foil? How about aluminum-can thickness? No-we'd add a structure around it for no reason other than increased strength. If they want to keep making it thinner, they should at least consider removing the buttons from the side, or maybe adding a piece of titanium or steel around the buttons.
How much weaker are you willing to go? Apple could've added a bit of metal thickness and still had not only the thinnest phone, but also the strongest as well.
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I don't know, I'm not him. But if I had to choose which was more plausible between that and "gravity and/or magical Samsung gnomes bent it overnight," I'm going to choose the first thing.
He says that he put his phone, upside down, lying against a wall, on the floor, to charge. Then he wakes up to find it bent. So if he's not implying that gravity did it, I guess it's the Samsung gnomes then? Okay.
He's a developer who magically, inexplicably had an issue he claims he didn't cause, and instead of going to Apple, he spoke to a reporter about his issue. Or are you saying that John Cook at Geekwire just magically and telepathically knew that someone, somewhere in Seattle had an inexplicable, magically-bending iPhone and decided to write about it without any prompting, whatsoever?
From the story itself: "Latiolais stopped by the Apple Store in Seattle on Sunday to see if he could swap out his phone..."
This was before he got it swapped out. The news about the free swap came after the story was published, in an update.
No, but I'm sure that when the Seattle Apple store was mentioned in the article (as we've clearly seen), I'm sure it was brought to his attention. You don't need to be telepathic to read a news article.
"When I got home, I propped the phone against the wall to charge overnight. When I pulled it off the charger in the morning, it was bent along the angle it leaned on the wall. It’s almost as if it sagged."
The burden of proof in this case is on the individual who claims that his phone bent without any prompting. If it's a real thing, it can be easily reproduced and recorded on video. One could even use Apple's new time-lapse feature to record video of a self-bending phone bend itself. If it were true, it wouldn't be hard to replicate.
I don't consider any of the videos fraudulent. They show what they show: people trying REALLY hard, hands shaking and thumbs and fingers whitening with effort, to bend an iPhone. No one here is denying that if you bend a phone hard enough, it will break. What I and others are saying is that deliberately bending a phone doesn't mean the phone will bend all by itself, or even in one's pocket. No one has shown a video of a phone bending:
- As a direct result of being in a pocket and the person sits down with it.
- On its own, without the user doing anything at all to it.
Lastly: no one has yet made a convincing argument that holding a phone in both hands and exerting force to make it bend in the center is the correct and proper way to use any cell phone. yet that is the only thing that the videos on youtube demonstrate: people quite literally, "using" it wrong.
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Your position seems to be that of a child. "If it didn't happen to me it didn't happen to anyone." I understand it a little better now that I've read your rebuttal. You seem to not understand that you aren't the center of the universe and things can happen to others that don't happen to you. Accepting that something CAN happen isn't the same as assuming that it WILL happen.
Obviously you're right. I should have clarified better for the reading comprehension disabled forum members. That far back does also include all iPhone models except the very first.
This thread is better than TV. Personally I don't care if the iPhone bends or it doesn't.
My concern would be why all these users would spend so much on a phone. I don't care if it's iPhone Android or Windows Phone 8.
I am not rich but I'm not poor either. However, there is no way in this world I would contemplate spending all this money on what is for me simply a phone, albeit one that can perform other tasks.
In 12 to 24 months time today's pride and joy will end up in some recycling yard cannibalised for their metals. I find that deeply shocking.
My concern would be why all these users would spend so much on a phone. I don't care if it's iPhone Android or Windows Phone 8.
I am not rich but I'm not poor either. However, there is no way in this world I would contemplate spending all this money on what is for me simply a phone, albeit one that can perform other tasks.
In 12 to 24 months time today's pride and joy will end up in some recycling yard cannibalised for their metals. I find that deeply shocking.
I know it was a rhetorical question, but my answer is "make it as thin as possible yet thick enough so that *my* phone doesn't bend or break during *my* use."
Or they are mistaken about how it was bent. An unsubstantiated claim is an unsubstantiated claim. Not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
How about just don't make it weaker?
These tests are essentially using the phone as a beam...a beam with a very thin web. In I-beam design, the center is the neutral axis and under no stress. An efficient beam will put as much material as possible as far from the neutral axis as possible- it makes an enormous difference, with bending resistance increasing at the square of this distance.
In the following image, the beam on the right, which uses the same amount of material, would have 15x the bending resistance of the beam on the left.
If you made an i-phone size i-beam, going from 6.5mm thick to 8mm increases bending resistance by about 50%...using the SAME amount of material.
That's for an i-beam, but you get the idea. The iphone is more of a U-beam, so instead of having a bottom flange, that load (tension, if you're pushing on the back of the phone) has to be taken by the web itself, pushing the neutral axis VERY close to the top flange (the back of the phone). To make matters worse, a bunch of holes are cut in this web, removing material where it's needed most and creating stress concentrations. These stress concentrations are exactly where the phone fails. It was a servicable design when the phone was thicker, but it causing big problems now. If they want to continue using this design, a good way to strengthen it would be a large rim just behind the screen...perhaps even of a much stronger material bonded to the aluminum, or of a much greater thickness of aluminum than the back plate. This would then take the bending stress instead of the sides of the phone, and the neutral axis (which is under no stress) would move to the centerline of the buttons, where it wouldn't do much harm as it can deal with the missing material.
All this is just because they keep making the phone thinner without making any other changes to compensate for the reduced bending resistance.
These tests are essentially using the phone as a beam...a beam with a very thin web. In I-beam design, the center is the neutral axis and under no stress. An efficient beam will put as much material as possible as far from the neutral axis as possible- it makes an enormous difference, with bending resistance increasing at the square of this distance.
In the following image, the beam on the right, which uses the same amount of material, would have 15x the bending resistance of the beam on the left.
If you made an i-phone size i-beam, going from 6.5mm thick to 8mm increases bending resistance by about 50%...using the SAME amount of material.
That's for an i-beam, but you get the idea. The iphone is more of a U-beam, so instead of having a bottom flange, that load (tension, if you're pushing on the back of the phone) has to be taken by the web itself, pushing the neutral axis VERY close to the top flange (the back of the phone). To make matters worse, a bunch of holes are cut in this web, removing material where it's needed most and creating stress concentrations. These stress concentrations are exactly where the phone fails. It was a servicable design when the phone was thicker, but it causing big problems now. If they want to continue using this design, a good way to strengthen it would be a large rim just behind the screen...perhaps even of a much stronger material bonded to the aluminum, or of a much greater thickness of aluminum than the back plate. This would then take the bending stress instead of the sides of the phone, and the neutral axis (which is under no stress) would move to the centerline of the buttons, where it wouldn't do much harm as it can deal with the missing material.
All this is just because they keep making the phone thinner without making any other changes to compensate for the reduced bending resistance.
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