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I was responding to your sentence that the iPhone was the bottom of the list of the smartphones they tested. It's not. the HTC M8 is. Strangely, there was no Bendgate widespread catastrophic disaster with that phone. Really strange.
Almost like it's not an issue...

It's not an issue because under normal use it doesn't show any problems.

I don't own an iPhone6 so i cannot comment on it... but there were reports of the phone bending while in pockets...
 
OK Mr. Nitpicker, then the iPhone 6 AND the HTC One (M8) are BOTH at the bottom of the list. You must be in marketing or in politics because people like you are excellent at twisting a meaning. See you could have said the iPhone 6 and the HTC are both at the bottom of the list, however, you didn't say that. So your response was factually incorrect based on the bottom of the list meaning the phones in the test that received the worst score.

Maybe you didn't consider that Consumer Reports put the HTC One (M8) at the bottom to be courteous to Apple.

LOL. This is what's hilarious. You also could have said the iPhone6 and HTC are at the bottom of the list, right? Why didn't you? You must be a mayor, or a governor or a Senator. The truth is you didn't even know the HTC was at the bottom of the list, and now when you were corrected, you're trying to spin away.

BTW, for what possible reason would CR want to be courteous to Apple? You know you've failed when conspiracy theories are your premise.
 
Yeah, but now we have a test made by CR and including Apple's invite of journalists to their test lab. You choose to ignore these tests and go fully on the YouTube guy's much less precise demonstration. Your premise is that the iPhone is flawed, if a test shows that is isn't really, then the test is flawed since iPhone really is flawed. That's a nice little circular argument, where the Axiom is that iPhone is flawed.

No I didn’t. I thought long before this that there would be an issue with the race to make things thin or small. Not just with phones.
iMacs, underclocked graphics cards and loss of optical drives etc. Something has to give. I’m more, a lot more, interested in that guy that demonstrated the moments of force making the phone a design fail.
I love Apple gear man but seriously………..
 
There were reception tests done on the 4S with regard to output power and input sensitivity in comparison to previous iPhones and other phones on the market.

The new 4S design increased sensitivity by around 10dBm (can't remember the exact numbers) compared to previous designs. However putting your finger in the 'gap' just made the antenna as good as everyone else again temporarily.

I also managed to do similar things with the Motorola phone I had at the time - however that is a subjective test.

In essence - Apple was being singled out because its antenna design was way better than everyone else's - except in one small specific circumstance, when it was the same as everyone else.

LOL, what a load of hooey. The problem was that the antennas were exposed and a finger could bridge the antenna gap. Put it in a case and the problem disappears entirely. They could have avoided the problem by clear-coating the steel, but that was vetoed because it wouldn't look as cool.

The 4S shifted the problem from cellular to WiFi. Hold a finger over the 4S's antenna gap and it loses its WiFi connection. Put it in a case and wifi reception is impervious to your human hands.
 
It's not an issue because under normal use it doesn't show any problems.

I don't own an iPhone6 so i cannot comment on it... but there were reports of the phone bending while in pockets...

I don't buy those reports because it is logically impossible to believe that putting a phone that requires 90lbs of force to bend in your pocket causes it to bend.

And if you're referring to the moron with the backwards hat, he's a proven liar so nothing he says is credible.
 
The fundamental situation here was that it performed FAR BETTER than any other phone except in ONE specific circumstance - in that ONE specific circumstance it performed the SAME.

In essence, it only dropped calls in a specific situation that other phones would not have been capable of even having in the first place.

Right, well that I didn’t know and will have to review.
 
Note that Apple chose to use a series of short steel plates in lieu of a single continuous steel plate. Had they chose the latter, the phone would not have pivot points at the ends of each plate.

However, it would have impacted on the signal reception of the phone, being encircled in a continuous band. Creating a 'inductive loop' in effect.

Stress is additive for aluminum, so with time phones will grow more prone to bending.

That is very critical information I hadn't thought of until you mentioned it, this problem may not actually fully surface for several months.
 
Great. I love Consumer Reports.

I thought this was a spoof video when I watched it. I have never seen a posteria in the shape of the testing machine. This test was creating a load on a concentrated point on the phone.

The pressure needs to be applied along its entire length. Wholly unrealistic test, but then I guess that was the point.
 
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Something has to give. I’m more, a lot more, interested in that guy that demonstrated the moments of force making the phone a design fail.

Of course you are because it supports the premise that there is a problem, but is it telling the truth. It's an example of picking a test that supports what you already have made up your mind about.
 
It's not an issue because under normal use it doesn't show any problems.

I don't own an iPhone6 so i cannot comment on it... but there were reports of the phone bending while in pockets...

Reports with ZERO proof to validate it. Oh except some unscientific method from a youtube guy and some street guys performing. :rolleyes:
 
It's not an issue because under normal use it doesn't show any problems.

I don't own an iPhone6 so i cannot comment on it... but there were reports of the phone bending while in pockets...
What is "normal" use and how do you know its not even bending slightly under "normal" use near the "weak spot" at the volume buttons, where it seems all the bending phones bend and where you probably don't have to apply 70/90lbs of force, as the test results of the CR test for the middle [and not the "weak spot"!] of the phone with evenly distributed force applied shows?
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https://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=497833&d=1411838507
 
I don't buy those reports because it is logically impossible to believe that putting a phone that requires 90lbs of force to bend in your pocket causes it to bend.

And if you're referring to the moron with the backwards hat, he's a proven liar so nothing he says is credible.

Isn't leaning forward with an iPhone in your front pocket applying 90 lbs or more force to the iPhone? Now, if you apply it near or at the sweet (weak) spot, well, it bends.

Honest question: How and when was backwards cap guy proven to be a liar?

BTW, backwards cap guy hardly applied that much force. Consumer's test was unrealistic and not practical.
 
I don't buy those reports because it is logically impossible to believe that putting a phone that requires 90lbs of force to bend in your pocket causes it to bend.

And if you're referring to the moron with the backwards hat, he's a proven liar so nothing he says is credible.

You mistake is assuming the CR test applies to forces from any direction. CR only tested rigidity in a single three point test that did not exploit the weak point at the volume button discontinuity. We have no idea how much force is required to bend the phone at that point.
 
It's very possible that he can, by applying uneven force to certain weak points - supposedly by the volume button as the video and Cult of Mac have proven. Consumer's test applied even force and did not mimic somebody sitting with his iPhone in his front or rear pocket. The ease that backwards cap boy bent the iPhone is telling and better mimics the random nature of somebody sitting (and freakin scary) and possibly bending it right at that sweet spot.

I really don't know why people are celebrating Consumer's findings, other than perhaps they were so concerned about their own phones bending that it came as a relief....hearing anything positive makes people feel good. Or, of course, there are the fanboys who believe Apple can do no wrong and will defend them till death.

Why do u always end your message by insulting Apple users? Is this what u do all day?
 
I've forgotten my 5S in my back pocket and sat down maybe twice this year. Each time I jumped up thinking oh sh.. hope I haven't bust it. Smart Phones are 700-1000 $ computers. It's wise not to sit on them. Also don't sit on your watch if you have one, your tablet, your macbook air, your camera, your television, or the outside of your car. Generally don't sit on anything with a screen, or anything containing glass. Windows, scopes, etc. Also try to avoid sitting on any electronic equipment. And don't sit on anything really expensive unless it is made for sitting on. Like a chair or sofa. Hammocks are generally OK too. Hope this helps.
 
And if you're referring to the moron with the backwards hat, he's a proven liar so nothing he says is credible.

Your basis for him being a liar is that the iPhone wasn't on the proper setup screen in the video, correct? So that means the entire video is a fake?? Have you ever considered that he went through the setup process with the plastic still on? Then again, if he just showed the setup screen and nothing else you'd be calling him a liar as well, right?

Bendgate is real and I know it hurts a fanboy such as yourself. Come here and let me drink the tears of unfathomable sadness.
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When it comes to bending from the back, that is a 100% correct fact!

Which goes back to the point that strongest part of the phone/device/object is never the point of failure. An object is only as weak as its weakest point.

Which still makes the iPhone 6 physically weaker than the 5. Wouldn't matter if the screen was made out of Star Wars transpasteel and could take turbo laser strikes, if the rest of it can't stand up to hand bending.

The ONLY way this could be an advatange would be if the bending and disconnecting of components allowed the more expensive display and touch input systems to survive and allow for in-expensive repair/replacement costs. This sadly not the situation.

The 6 is just too thin and too weak.

And I would argue personally needlessly too big. The iPhone 5 struck about the right balance of nice.
 
Isn't leaning forward with an iPhone in your front pocket applying 90 lbs or more force to the iPhone? Now if you hit the sweet spot, well, it bends.

Honest question: How and when was backwards cap guy proven to be a liar?

I don't know the answer to your first question tbh. But I don't believe bending forward causes 90lbs of force on your phone.

The backwards cap guy in his "live from the street" video said he was going to test on a brand new unsealed phone. Problem is he pressed the home button and it went straight to the homescreen. If it was a brand new phone it would have gone to the set up screen or have been off.

In his original video, the time changes on his phone as he's doing his "tests" indicating editing. The guy is an idiot, and the android users are lapping it up while he gets paid by Youtube. Sound business model for him, the android users are too dumb to realize what he's doing because they're going cookoo for cocoa puffs trying to prove that the iPhone is defective.
 
don't have to apply 70/90lbs of force
The problems with most metals, and Aluminium in particular (thanks to rGiskard above) is that the 70/90lbs of force doesn't need to be applied all at once.

Metal is not flexible like plastic, however it is stronger. The problem is that the lack of flexibility leads to a result called metal fatigue. This process occurs when a given section is repeatedly subject to a similar force over time.

I suspect this is where the REAL bananagate will come from.

It may also be how some tricksters prepare the phone, by repeated micro-movements, causing metal fatigue and making the final push that much easier when it hits.

This is actually a worse problem if it is true, because it will hit most consumers well out of their 90 day grace period.
 
However, it would have impacted on the signal reception of the phone, being encircled in a continuous band. Creating a 'inductive loop' in effect.



That is very critical information I hadn't thought of until you mentioned it, this problem may not actually fully surface for several months.

The antennas are external so there would be no inductive loop effect. In fact the the entire phone is banded by aluminum, so why doesn't that create an inductive loop?

Finally, what I'm suggesting isn't a continuous band around the phone, only continuous plates on each side of the phone. To my admittedly limited knowledge, that wouldn't create an inductive loop.
 
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