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The CR test is BS! It doesn't simulate the forces an iPhone receives in a pocket, which would be distributed over the entire face of the phone, including the weak point just below the volume controls....

To replicate a pocket scenario, the test should include a small amount of force squeezing the ends of the phone, and then several moments of force distributed perpendicular to the face of phone.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out if there a lot of returns....
 
You don't even know if it is a flaw.

Flaw:

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The mounting point of the reinforcement plate is improperly designed. As a result, iPhones bend when carried in pants pockets.

If that reinforcement plate had been slightly longer and mounted in a way so that it could not pivot, this entire thread would not exist.
 
The mounting point of the reinforcement plate is improperly designed. As a result, iPhones bend when carried in pants pockets.

Really, that's not the conclusion in the analysis..

If that reinforcement plate had been slightly longer and mounted in a way the preventing it from pivoting, this entire thread would not exist.

So? If you were to break anything and do a similar analysis you would find weak spots.
 
Please, guys, just buy it even if it bends. I don't want the effort I spent updating my app to work on oversized phones to go to waste :p
 
Please, guys, just buy it even if it bends. I don't want the effort I spent updating my app to work on oversized phones to go to waste :p

No worries, even if the bending turns into a major problem, people will buy it in record numbers anyway. :D
 
What people have failed to mention is that Apple CAN and WILL (if needed) revise the design and strengthen the 6+ *at any time they deem fit*, and silently revise the manufacturing process.

That's... IF it were even a problem ;)
 
The mounting point of the reinforcement plate is improperly designed. As a result, iPhones bend when carried in pants pockets.

If that reinforcement plate had been slightly longer and mounted in a way so that it could not pivot, this entire thread would not exist.

This forum has more structural engineers then I've ever seen. It seems most of them post the same drivel based on just pictures and best guesses. Without really understanding what it means. I don't think or believe there is no flaw. No matter how reinforced you make it will always bend if you put enough pressure on it.
 
If it turns into a major problem, then a thread like this would actually serve a purpose beyond entertainment. :D
Heh, I've already made a list of all forum members who believe that only moronic / negligent / abusive / obese / criminal / inappropriately dressed / Samsung shills will ever experience a wonky iPhone.

And yes, I keep that list in my back pocket.
 
This forum has more structural engineers then I've ever seen. It seems most of them post the same drivel based on just pictures and best guesses. Without really understanding what it means. I don't think or believe there is no flaw. No matter how reinforced you make it will always bend if you put enough pressure on it.

Actually this forum is loaded with talent in far greater concentration than one would encounter in the real world. We have structural engineers, metallurgists, designers, jewelers, developers, programmers, professional photographers, videographers, professional video editors, stock market experts, production experts, billionaires, CEO's, etc, etc. It's overwhelming.
 
This forum has more structural engineers then I've ever seen. It seems most of them post the same drivel based on just pictures and best guesses. Without really understanding what it means. I don't think or believe there is no flaw. No matter how reinforced you make it will always bend if you put enough pressure on it.

DUDE!!! This is not about bending the phone with your bare hands on purpose, but wearing your phone on a day-to-day basis! If the phone bends in your jeans then it's unacceptable, no matter what the Apple PR tries to sell you.

IF IT BENDS IN YOUR JEANS POCKETS, IT'S A HUGE FLAW -> BIG DESIGN & ENGINEERING FAILURE!

Apple just sucks! :mad:
 
I just find it absurd that people are saying pants pockets are no place for a phone. On many days, pants pockets are the only way to carry a phone. I can't even believe I need to explain this to anyone.

If a phone can't hold up to routine stowage in pants pockets, it's a defective design.

I agree with you - pants pockets, especially front pockets, are a reasonable place for a phone. I occasionally carry my 5S there if there's no other place. I'd be more concerned about carrying my phone in my back pocket because sitting puts more force on the device, especially if I were to sit suddenly on a hard surface.

There's no doubt that Apple could have made the new iPhone more durable by engineering it differently, be that with more thickness, different internal construction, or whatever. Whether they need to address this now and what, if anything, they need to do about it remains to be determined. We still don't know what percentage of iPhones will deform when carried in pants pockets or whether the ones that bend are somehow different from others off the assembly line.
 
Heh, I've already made a list of all forum members who believe that only moronic / negligent / abusive / obese / criminal / inappropriately dressed / Samsung shills will ever experience a wonky iPhone.

And yes, I keep that list in my back pocket.

Hopefully it keeps you 6+ from bending. :D
 
We need a statement from Tim Cook on upcoming software fix for iPhone structural flaw before I will buy one!

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My question is, what kind of real life situations would apply 70 (or 90) pounds of force. How common would it be for a phone to be subjected to that. Can a tight pocket / hip crease apply that much force or more? Clearly you can apply that much force with your bare hands (as the original viral bend gate video showed). It's interesting to know how the phone stands up against other phones in a more scientific experiment that some dude trying to bend a phone with his hands (including the much strong iPhone 5)... but it would be more helpful to have some real world examples of exactly what 70 or 90 pounds of force means.

The weak point probably requires much less than 70lbs of force to bend!
 
Actually this forum is loaded with talent in far greater concentration than one would encounter in the real world. We have structural engineers, metallurgists, designers, jewelers, developers, programmers, professional photographers, videographers, professional video editors, stock market experts, production experts, billionaires, CEO's, etc, etc. It's overwhelming.

I'm sure there are many of them. But I'm just as sure we have more armchair engineers than that out number them.
 
You don't even know if it is a flaw.

It's possible that it may be a design flaw. It's possible that it's a manufacturing defect. It's possible that some of the a-loo-minium was not up to snuff. It's possible that there is no problem at all. There is so much that we don't know at this point.

Just yesterday rGiskard said that the phone has only been out a few days and "That's not long enough to make any conclusions about structural durability". Yet here he is again jumping to conclusions and evidently now it's absolutely a structural flaw.

I am not saying that there isn't an issue at all – it's very possible. We don't know yet. There has been a ton of people repeating the same story over and over and over. At this point we have no idea what is going on (if anything) or how widespread it is.

Apple has shipped a ton of phones. There has been some reported issues with some of the phones. That is not uncommon for any device especially a brand new design. Each issue will be looked at. If this is widespread and serious we will know about it this week.

Some people on here can't stop rubbing their "Apple screwed the pooch boners" long enough to take a breath and see how this plays out to see what if anything is going on. The people making the most noise don't even have an iPhone 6 for any first-hand experience for themselves. Geeze, holster your six-shooters and take a breather for a few days.

My iPhone 6 is good, so are the phones of the people that I know and we are watching them closely. My phone seems very solidly built and I cannot see how carrying it in the front pockets of slim fit jeans is going to bend this thing – you never know, I'm watching for it. If my phone has a problem Apple will definitely hear about it, hell I have no problem posting about it here.

Lastly, I am not saying every phone is fine just because mine seems to be.
 
What the .... where else do you put your phone if not in your jeans pocket? Are you carrying a male purse with you or what? :p

I don't know why I'm wasting my time responding, but what the heck:

What. I'll leave you to figure out what that means.
 
I agree with you - pants pockets, especially front pockets, are a reasonable place for a phone. I occasionally carry my 5S there if there's no other place. I'd be more concerned about carrying my phone in my back pocket because sitting puts more force on the device, especially if I were to sit suddenly on a hard surface.

There's no doubt that Apple could have made the new iPhone more durable by engineering it differently, be that with more thickness, different internal construction, or whatever. Whether they need to address this now and what, if anything, they need to do about it remains to be determined. We still don't know what percentage of iPhones will deform when carried in pants pockets or whether the ones that bend are somehow different from others off the assembly line.

Personally I wouldn't carry a large screen phone in my back pocket and sit on it, I think that's pushing your luck. It would be great if you could, but.....
On the other hand, I think you should be able to carry the phone in your front pocket and not worry about it. But if it digs hard into your leg or waist when sitting, driving, kneeling etc, you probably need pants with bigger pockets.

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Who says they don't?

That would go a long way toward explaining things. :eek:
 
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