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Well for me I don't put any trust in any. I know both google and apple are software enterprises. And there are always bugs/vulnerabilities when three are millions of lines of code at play. And both platforms can't escape from these nasties even though they have implemented their security measures.

To say one o/s is safer than the other is just naive. The cve data showed that iOS is also full of vulnerabilities. Plus iOS also has its fair share of exploits like the icloud photo leaks, xcodeghost, location info leaks, emoji text crash etc.

Lesson is the most secure os becomes insecure depending on the action of the user. e.g jail break iOS or side load apps in android or ignoring certain basic security etiquette. If users don't do all these then both o/s platforms should be "secure enough" for any usage scenario.
Every software has vulnerabilities, that's not the point. Your own links show android has more critical vulnerabilities in the period posted. The zero day are the worst. It was your point; is the point.

Further to the point you are now making except for Internet talking points I do not believe anyone care about crash rates either.
 
Every software has vulnerabilities, that's not the point. Your own links show android has more critical vulnerabilities in the period posted. The zero day are the worst. It was your point; is the point.

Further to the point you are now making except for Internet talking points I do not believe anyone care about crash rates either.

No. That's your play. I just make the point that iOS also has vulnerabilities (and exploitations) contrary to popular believe that iOS is safe.

If you didn't think anyone care about crash rates then tell why iPhone fans like to (incorrectly) use this factor against android?
 
Leading in design? So, bc they release their Galaxy S(X) models earlier in the year than Apple does they’re “leading in design”?

There have been rumors that Apple has been working on this design since the 6S came out, so it’s not like Samsung magically came up with this and now Apple must respond!!!

Samsung made a phone with no side bezels and less top bezels...the back design of the phone is hot garbage. Cool I guess?

The S8 is an evolutionary design from the S6. The S6 had been in Samsung's idea bank since at least 2014...possibly 2013. If wasn't for the likes of Samsung, there would be no rumored bezel-less oled iPhone. Just like it wasn't for the success of the Note, there would be no iPhone Plus. Yes Apple was and is actually still inspired by Samsung. I mean I'm not gonna say they stole ideas....b/c apple never steals. They only "borrow" or get inspired by. It's other companies (Sammy, LG, Microsoft, ect) who steal from Apple :)
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The black S8 looks and feels exactly like a jet black iPhone 7. It just has a bigger screen.

The copy can never be better than the original.
The Copy? Lmaoooooo. The only thing remotely similar between the JB iPhone and the S8 is the fact that both are black...unless you're implying that apple owns the color black? In terms of design, the S8 makes the iPhone look old. Hell if anything, isn't Apple copying Sammy....considering the next iPhone will be bezel-less with an OLED display? Hell some of the internals will even be made by Samsung. Hell the screen will made by Samsung. Sounds like the iGalaxy S8S.

At the end of the day, both Sammy and Apple are sure to deliver great products this year. There's a lot hype surrounding the release of the iPhone and Note for that matter. I think both will deliver. My card, body, and soul are ready
 
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Really? You think that the back button and app switcher are "problems"?? That is interesting. You like closing apps one at a time? You like having to reach to the top of a page to go back? Or have to double-click the Home button, then swipe until you find the app you were in before, then click on it? I guess you're one of the folks that loved Apple's one-button mice too.

I'm also betting that many of the features on my list will come to iPhone, just not yet. But when they do, then they'll be "amazing" or "done right". :rolleyes:

So yep, you're right. Not everyone's needs are the same. Thank God Google and Sammy listen to "the rest of us".

Yeah I think the back and recent apps buttons are bad control mechanisms. I much prefer iOS's swipe to go back and swipe to switch apps.

Why would I be closing apps? The OS is supposed to deal with that.

I've never used a one button mouse.

Thank god for Apple to get it right and not listen to people like you!
 
No. That's your play. I just make the point that iOS also has vulnerabilities (and exploitations) contrary to popular believe that iOS is safe.

If you didn't think anyone care about crash rates then tell why iPhone fans like to (incorrectly) use this factor against android?
No, that's your play. I pointed out that ios is safer due to the distribution and percentage of red zone vulnerabilities. I never claimed ios is 100% safe.

Android fans care about IOS crash rates more than iphone fans, due to the tit-for-tat about the "better" operating system threads, that are more than popular on fan sites.
 
No, that's your play. I pointed out that ios is safer due to the distribution and percentage of red zone vulnerabilities. I never claimed ios is 100% safe.

If a user sticks with official Google playstore or be more careful of permissions when installing apps, android is as safe as an iphone. I just dont agree with some Apple fans who portray iphone as very safe and Android as unsafe. There is no absolute safe but both platforms are safe enough for work. There will always be vulnerabilities but whether those are translated to exploits is another matter. Even the "safe" iphone had some high profile exploits like the icloud photo leaks

Android fans care about IOS crash rates more than iphone fans, due to the tit-for-tat about the "better" operating system threads, that are more than popular on fan sites.
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Well, if iphone fans didnt start off with mis-information first like "android is unstable/crash a lot" or "android is unsafe", then there is no need for android fans to "correct" these misinformation. (not tit-for-tat :) )
 
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If a user sticks with official Google playstore or be more careful of permissions when installing apps, android is as safe as an iphone. I just dont agree with some Apple fans who portray iphone as very safe and Android as unsafe. There is no absolute safe but both platforms are safe enough for work. There will always be vulnerabilities but whether those are translated to exploits is another matter. Even the "safe" iphone had some high profile exploits like the icloud photo leaks
Why don't you check what the red zone items are for in your own link? Sure IOS had red zone items, but android had twice the number. No amount of deflecting gets around the information you posted.

Well, if iphone fans didnt start off with mis-information first like "android is unstable/crash a lot" or "android is unsafe", then there is no need for android fans to "correct" these slanders. (not tit-for-tat :) )
Pro-tip of the day. It's not "iphone fans" that start off with mis-information.
 
Why don't you check what the red zone items are for in your own link? Sure IOS had red zone items, but android had twice the number. No amount of deflecting gets around the information you posted.


Pro-tip of the day. It's not "iphone fans" that start off with mis-information.

IPhone has many more vulnerabilities. Iphone also had the infamous photo leaks, xcodeghost, location leaks and jail breaks. All these are exploits no matter how you try to deflect. Iphone is neither safe nor unsafe just like android.
 
What a huge steaming crock of poop. I own the iPhone 7 Plus and the S8+. The dual camera made a world of difference to me on a recent cross country trip. Try being on a boat with the opportunity to take pictures of sea lions on a buoy for the first and possibly only time in your life, and tell me the 2X optical zoom doesn't give the iPhone 7 Plus an advantage over the single lens of the S8+ and I will think you are bonkers.

The iPhone also does a much nicer job rendering pictures that accurately render color in indoor scenes.

The S8+ has many advantages that make it a wonderful smartphone to own but I hate to see the very capable IPhone 7Plus considered outdated just because it has bezels.

As far as operating systems go, both seem to be at comparable levels of reliability at this point in time. Of course, that changes with each update. But depending on your needs and preferences there are logical reasons for going with either.

If you can own both, I heartily recommend it for the fun and a chance to expand your perspective and to discard illogical biases and prejudices. I switch back and forth between both phones all day. I greatly admire and appreciate what Samsung and Apple have brought to their customers.

If I had to pick only one, well that's a tough one because the S8+ has some unique features and is so highly customizable. The camera user interface makes more sense and gives you more options than the one on the iPhone. I find more things to appreciate about my S8+ the longer I own it. For that matter I still have a high opinion of my S7 that I still own.

But it would still be my iPhone 7 Plus that I would pick if I could have only one. In part because of the dual lens camera and messaging seems more reliable and feature rich via iMessage. For those that use fingerprint authentication for financial services, that's still better supported in iOS apps than in Android. I also just really prefer flat displays. The curved display on the S8+ works fine and it's cool looking but it throws a lot of reflection when I'm trying to view video. It gets old fast. I do love the bigness of the screen though. Beautiful.

I have both Samsung watches and a Nike Apple Watch. Samsung watches are really nice. The workmanship isn't as good as with the Apple Watch, but the features and user interface are quite nice. But for a petite woman, the Apple Watch is more comfortable and I will be swimming with it on. At one time I thought I could walk away from the Apple Watch and IPhone team but with the reality of summer life upon me, I find that prospect unthinkable now.
A well balanced, fair enough story.
The more I'd regret the abysmal contribution from Joni's part - and the way he pollutes the world with his bezels and protruding camera's - it's just inconceivable that that could happen even in mid 2017. There must be an army of better and more talented designers within Apple by now.
I just completely miss what has kept the Apple Board busy for the last 3 years.
 
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IPhone has many more vulnerabilities. Iphone also had the infamous photo leaks, xcodeghost, location leaks and jail breaks. All these are exploits no matter how you try to deflect. Iphone is neither safe nor unsafe just like android.
No matter how the deflections the numbers in the red-zone for android speak for themselves. CVE is the gold standard on this. icloud Photo leaks have nothing to do with this issue as that is strictly phishing. And google as I posted above, has had their gmail accounts hacked as well.
 
No matter how the deflections the numbers in the red-zone for android speak for themselves. CVE is the gold standard on this. icloud Photo leaks have nothing to do with this issue as that is strictly phishing. And google as I posted above, has had their gmail accounts hacked as well.

Iphone have more vulnerabilities, then chances of exploits are more. Furthermore iOS is a closed system so there can be many more undiscovered critical vulnerabilities. Also, the fact that iphone crashed 3x more also indicates that the coding and QA is not up to par and may indirectly caused security issues. There is no deflection needed.

My point is iOS is also unsafe if you say Android is. You can use the "red zone" to say android is unsafe and I also can use exploits that have caused actual damage to users (like the icloud leaks) to say iOS is unsafe. And Ifans like to boast that there are many updates for iOS but for every update jailbreak can be found thus showing how iOS is full of security holes.
 
Iphone have more vulnerabilities, then chances of exploits are more. Furthermore iOS is a closed system so there can be many more undiscovered critical vulnerabilities. Also, the fact that iphone crashed 3x more also indicates that the coding and QA is not up to par and may indirectly caused security issues. There is no deflection needed.

My point is iOS is also unsafe if you say Android is. You can use the "red zone" to say android is unsafe and I also can use exploits that have caused actual damage to users (like the icloud leaks) to say iOS is unsafe. And Ifans like to boast that there are many updates for iOS but for every update jailbreak can be found thus showing how iOS is full of security holes.
Instead of a cogent discussion, generalizations based on name calling means you have no point. There is no way you can refute the cve stats and thus the deflections, unfortunately. You can repeat the stats on crashing, but I'd rather have a crashed app than a plundered bank account. And if iCloud is unsafe google is also; plus the red zone vulnerabilities do not speak well for the ecosystem.
 
Instead of a cogent discussion, generalizations based on name calling means you have no point. There is no way you can refute the cve stats and thus the deflections, unfortunately. You can repeat the stats on crashing, but I'd rather have a crashed app than a plundered bank account. And if iCloud is unsafe google is also.

You have no evidences (and yet you are spreading FUD) that those critical vulnerabilities can lead to one's bank account being plundered. They goes your objectivity. Don't forget iOS also have a couple of hundreds of critical vulnerabilites. All it takes is just one to cause havoc.
 
This is generalizing also. You have no evidences (and yet you are spreading FUD) that those critical vulnerabilities can lead to one's bank account being plundered. They goes your objectivity. Don't forget iOS also have a couple of hundreds of critical vulnerabilites. All it takes is just one to cause havoc.
What do you think critical red zone vulnerabilities do and refer to, and why they might be rated that way? It's not that far fetched and hacking gmail can lead to loss of funds also. So it's not FUD as you say. If iOS has a hundred critical vulnerabilities android has four times that. You do the math. You have no way to refute cve stats.
 
What do you think critical red zone vulnerabilities do and refer to, and why they might be rated that way? It's not that far fetched and hacking gmail can lead to loss of funds also. So it's not FUD as you say. If iOS has a hundred critical vulnerabilities android has four times that. You do the math. You have no way to refute cve stats.

I am not trying to refute the stat. I am just refuting the popular belief that iOS is totally safe and android is totally unsafe.
 
Since some folks mentioned crashes, I'd been having a fair bit of crashing on iOS 10 this year, but 10.3.2 on the 7 Plus seems to be working pretty well for me. I can't really recall any crashes on Nougat on my S8+. My husband has had some Android apps suddenly run amok and run his battery down fast, though. Then next version of Android, Android O, is supposed to put a stop to things like that.

Android seems to be converging on the stability that use to be exclusive to iOS.

And iOS looks to be getting more versatile.

It's fun to track both platforms because it seems like things change almost every month.

My iPhone 7 and my S8+ are both good. It comes down to iMessage and my Apple Watch giving the edge to iOS as my "main phone" for me. My husband prefers his Galaxy Frontier and the way you can super customize the S8+ and Frontier, thus giving the S8+ an edge on being his daily driver.
 
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They need to stop with the planned obsolescence crap otherwise the Galaxies will leave them in the dust moreso.
 
Just read through all the vs threads here and let me know whether it is a one person or a one fandom (the i kind) belief.
I doubt you went through every thread on MR from the start of time. However, "fandom" (the sd-card kind) is not really something that is unique to this thread. At least we agree the stats from CVE are the stats. How, you want to spin them is something else.
 
I doubt you went through every thread on MR from the start of time. However, "fandom" (the sd-card kind) is not really something that is unique to this thread. At least we agree the stats from CVE are the stats. How, you want to spin them is something else.

At the very least I didn't denounce the cve stat as "unreliable" like you did with the iOS crash rate stat :p
 
Seems like consumers have voted with their wallets about the iphone 7. Proft margin, profit and revenue come from sales, of which there are plenty of and they disagree with this hyperbole. You can try to tell the buying public they are purchasing it wrong...
 
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