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If everyone had a Samsug chip, there would be no complaints. Yet some of you cannot stand that there are people out there getting 5% better battery life. The injustice! Haha.
 
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If everyone had a Samsug chip, there would be no complaints. Yet some of you cannot stand that there are people out there getting 5% better battery life. The injustice! Haha.

Agree with you, even paid same amount of money, but different benefit, it makes to feel as unfair
 
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My colleagues has visited the Apple Store 4 times, and he have 5th replaced iPhone 6s 64GB.... All Sammy -,,-
And what? They just say they want to replace because they want the better chip? You gotta be kidding..
 
I decided to verify the chip in my phone after I read the articles/comments on the subject. Here is what I determined:

(i) Chip: Samsung
(ii) F*cks that I give: Zero

I can see the responses: "you are just an Apple supporter!" and "you shouldn't let Apple get away with this!"

(i) My phone works great
(ii) It performs within spec
(iii) I do not become jealous (especially, for a phone with a slightly better battery life)
 
Yes. The rabid fanboism just ramps up to alarming levels when something like this happens every year. Last year it was bend-gate (which was real) but most pepole straight dismissed it till their own phones bent.

I hate to be a cynic but here cpu differences are extremely clear. Yet some people will harp on it saying it's a non issue for them. If I have to pay $1256 in my country just to get a 64GB variant of 6S Plus, I would want perfection.

Is Apple giving me a discount for giving me an underperforming chip? Big fat NO. So naturally I will keep returning every phone till I get a TSMC chip. It's not our fault if Apple did a half arsed research about CPU sourcing.

The fan, and not an Apple one, is someone doesn't give a crap about this coming every to put his one two cents in. That would be you. BTW, the use of "fanboy" means your massively biased and everything you say can be disregarded. Thanks for playing though.
 
I dont play game on my Ip6s+ .. as a heavy web surfing user, I noticed my TSMS phone runs much cooler temp. TSMC battery life is phenomenon compare to my previous Sammy. I agree it wont be long before youtube videos will prove the marginal difference in battery performance

Right... Youtube under dubious circumstances is better than a lab... Oh, my... Can't believe the things I hear.
 
because if he had a Samsung chip it was even worse?

I have one of each and my Sammy Chip rocks when it comes to battery life so there are some cases were Samsung chips don't suck. This is based on two phones, same make and model both being used same amount of time in the real world.
 
chip mfgr. aside i can tell a huge reduction in battery life in this thing compared to my 6. in the morning when i go to the gym i watch a show (45min to 1hour) while on the treadmill. i listen to music (bluetooth headphones) while hitting the weight machines (time varies greatly) with my 6 i was at 90% when i got finished, with my 6S i'm at 80%. and ro pre-dismiss the usual comments no i'm not using it more and yes i've let it die and then charge to full to help calibrate the battery level meter. i think this phone just uses a lot more battery than the 6.
 
The article claims that Samsung chip lags behind TSMC under 60% CPU load, with the maximum CPU load being 200%. To me, 60% isn't an unrealistic load to put on the CPU, I'm sure you don't have to go out of your way do that if you are a gamer or use phone to edit. While I wouldn't use those apps for 5 hours straight, for the duration that I am using, the Samsung chip will be draining more.

As for their sample of two phones, it's consistent with the thousands of phone tests on geekbench's website, and thus far out of thousands, they all show Samsung significantly behind TSMC on higher CPU load.

So what apps can cause high CPU load (60% total) and would you use them?
And for those who don't plan on replacing in 1 year, iOS 10 will most likely be putting more CPU stress on iphone 6s as they always do for older generation phones.

No current games would not give you even close to 60% load. Why?

1) Because this CPU is 70% faster than the last one
The GPU is 90% faster than the last one.

So, a game at 60% peak usage on this, would more than max out the Iphone 6 (so devs woudln't have made it)

3) Developpers don't target their games to the latest phone, but to a minimum spec
( max peek, past throttling doesn't cause stutter on their game)
The most obvious minimum phone for top end games would be the 5s (the first one with the A7), which would be 150% slower CPU/GPU than then the latest.

4) Older Iphones throttled more than this one, which reduced the max CPU use for those phones more than even the peak CPU improvement from the 6s to the 5s. I'd guess, somewhere around 180% from 5s to 6s.

5) Max peak usage in games, is higher than sustained load and devs target to that.


If you put all of this together, I'd expect that there are no current games providing a more than 30% sustained load on the 6s, let alone a 60% one.

There will be very few for at last a year (when the 5s will not longer be there in high numbers) and devs start targetting the Apple TV in great numbers.
 
chip mfgr. aside i can tell a huge reduction in battery life in this thing compared to my 6. in the morning when i go to the gym i watch a show (45min to 1hour) while on the treadmill. i listen to music (bluetooth headphones) while hitting the weight machines (time varies greatly) with my 6 i was at 90% when i got finished, with my 6S i'm at 80%. and ro pre-dismiss the usual comments no i'm not using it more and yes i've let it die and then charge to full to help calibrate the battery level meter. i think this phone just uses a lot more battery than the 6.

The 6 lasted a lot less time than the 6+, you'Re usage seems to about right for the smaller phone.
Ars article has been updated:
Update: To clarify exactly what Xcode's Activity Monitor is telling us, remember that every logical CPU core is tracked individually, so for a dual-core CPU like the A9 "full utilization" would so in the dual-core A9 full load is 200 percent, 100 for each core. The Geekbench test is putting about 30 percent load on each core for a total of 60 percent. For comparison, the relatively light but modern iOS game Shooty Skies oscillates between 30 and 70 percent depending on how many objects are being drawn on screen.

So, a game that actually plays on the 5s, without stutter, uses 70% of a CPU that's 150% faster than the 5s... There's something pretty weird in this whole thing.

Anything that uses 70% of the 6s should not be considered light gamings (or really crappy oding), games like life is strange don't even use 50% on my old desktop (which is about the same spec as this...).
 
People were so fixated with putting down samsung they believed this without looking at it rationally. All they heard was samsung bad and ran with it.

You had folks on this thread talking about how they were going to keep on exchanging their iphone until they got a TSMC iphone. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
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I have a 6s with Samsung chip.
I did the geek bench battery test and was , very rightly imho, concerned when I got 4 hrs and a tsmc was getting 6 hours.

BUT IN THE REAL WORLD I GOT OVER 7 hours use time and 53 hours standby and still have 19% left

So I got 2 full days use with ease . Am I happy ? You bet !
Much better than my beloved 5s and what a gorgeous silky smooth experience !

GPS off, background refresh off, screen set low .
 

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The fan, and not an Apple one, is someone doesn't give a crap about this coming every to put his one two cents in. That would be you. BTW, the use of "fanboy" means your massively biased and everything you say can be disregarded. Thanks for playing though.
It did strike a nerve didn't it? Proves my point. :)

I don't mind if you call me anti-Apple fanboy or Apple hater or whatever, I use iPhone 5S and Air 2 myself. I buy the best products. Apple admitted that Samsung chip has 2-3% lower battery performance. My point is Apple will not give me 2-3% discount on phones having Samsung chip. So why should I or any customer for the matter be happy with sub-optimal chip? After paying upwards of $1200 in my country, shouldn't I expect perfection?

What Apple must do to mitigate this issue?
They must announce a software update to fix chip problems on iPhone 6S models. The battery performance of TSMC must be brought down to match the Samsung chips. :D

Then this problem would be put to rest once and forever.


Anyone taking bets over this? :p
 
What Apple must do to mitigate this issue?
They must announce a software update to fix chip problems on iPhone 6S models. The battery performance of TSMC must be brought down to match the Samsung chips. :D

Then this problem would be put to rest once and forever.


Anyone taking bets over this? :p

Apple will release an iOS fix to match the both battery performances soon. All PC/Mac/SmartPhones do speed stepping to save power. So do Apple. I bet Apple will put a little more speed stepping on Samsung chips. It will solve the issue.
 
I decided to verify the chip in my phone after I read the articles/comments on the subject. Here is what I determined:

(i) Chip: Samsung
(ii) F*cks that I give: Zero

I can see the responses: "you are just an Apple supporter!" and "you shouldn't let Apple get away with this!"

(i) My phone works great
(ii) It performs within spec
(iii) I do not become jealous (especially, for a phone with a slightly better battery life)

Apple never mentions any real meaningful battery spec for iphone
 
Yes. The rabid fanboism just ramps up to alarming levels when something like this happens every year. Last year it was bend-gate (which was real) but most pepole straight dismissed it till their own phones bent.

I hate to be a cynic but here cpu differences are extremely clear. Yet some people will harp on it saying it's a non issue for them. If I have to pay $1256 in my country just to get a 64GB variant of 6S Plus, I would want perfection.

Is Apple giving me a discount for giving me an underperforming chip? Big fat NO. So naturally I will keep returning every phone till I get a TSMC chip. It's not our fault if Apple did a half arsed research about CPU sourcing.

I was thinking this story: If I buy an expensive sport car, then I find out the engine would burn 30% gas faster at top speed than someone who paid the same with same car but different brand engine, then the car salesman tells me your real life is just drive the sport car in city and get in traffic jam anyway,I would slap the salesman face
 
"kinds of CPU-intensive work that the Samsung chip seems to struggle with just aren't that common on smartphones."

Such as????

Anyways, I still believe the bigger chip is throttling speed to reduce heat.

You have this completely backwards! The SMALLER SoC chip made by Samsung is the one that gets hotter.
 
The 6 lasted a lot less time than the 6+, you'Re usage seems to about right for the smaller phone.


So, a game that actually plays on the 5s, without stutter, uses 70% of a CPU that's 150% faster than the 5s... There's something pretty weird in this whole thing.

Anything that uses 70% of the 6s should not be considered light gamings (or really crappy oding), games like life is strange don't even use 50% on my old desktop (which is about the same spec as this...).

you must have not read my post correctly. i had the 6, not the 6+. i am comparing the old 6 to the new 6s.
 
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