Convert higher bit rate songs to 128 bit AAC?

Discussion in 'iPod' started by davydavy, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. davydavy macrumors member

    Sep 26, 2011
    Just wondering if anyone actually uses this any more?

    Does anyone agree that now is the time to finally remove this checkbox from the iTunes summary page? With devices hitting 64GB these days I don't see this as a useful feature any longer.
  2. TMRaven macrumors 68020


    Nov 5, 2009
    Well that and transcoding something that's already been encoded always hurts quality.
  3. apunkrockmonk, Oct 20, 2011
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2011

    apunkrockmonk macrumors 6502a


    Nov 20, 2005
    Rochester, NY
    If the base iPod Touch/iPad/iPhone were 64GB I'd agree. But since the former starts at 8GB and the latter two still start at 16GB I'd say the removal of that check box would be a bad idea.

    However it'd be nice if you could select the bitrate it converted to instead of being stuck with 128kbps.
  4. Illumination macrumors regular

    Jul 6, 2011
    Georgia, USA
    I still use it. I find it very useful to be able to put my would be 12GB library on my 8GB iPhone. That way I don't have to carry my iPod classic everywhere.

    I don't see why they'd remove it - it's not like it's inconveniencing the people that don't use it.
  5. JAT macrumors 603

    Dec 31, 2001
    Mpls, MN
    It's been horrible for me, auto-converting from Apple Lossless. Some of it has come through really bad, sound completely altered. I do not mean nuances like audiophiles argue about, but weird noises. I quit using it and made a 256 copy of everything so I'd at least save some space compared to lossless for phone use.

    Maybe it works better from higher bitrate mp3. I'll never know.
  6. Fresh Tendrils macrumors regular

    May 14, 2011
    No, it shouldn't be removed. I use it and I'm guessing a lot of other people with large music collections do to. If you find it useless, then just ignore it.
  7. Truffy macrumors 6502a


    May 9, 2005
    somewhere outside your window...
    My thoughts exactly, along with other points made above.
    My iPod Touch is 'only' 32GB (the 64GB simply wasn't available to me), but it's enough if the music that I've ripped under Apple Lossless is transcoded to 128kbps. My iPod isn't just used for music, I have games and photos etc too. I'd like the oppotunity to choose 256kbps though.
  8. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    As a software developer, I'm not happy with the implementation at all. There should be a choice what bitrate to convert to (with my ears, 128KBit is noticable worse than CD, at 160KBit I'm not sure if I can hear a difference, at 192KBit any difference is gone), an option which music to convert (converting 132KBit to 128KBit is nonsense), an option to keep to converted music in a hidden place because conversion takes so long.

    And most importantly: When you turn this feature on, all your higher bitrate music disappears immediately from your iPod, which is just bad because now you have to wait until everything is converted. The software should convert your music bit by bit and only remove higher bit rate songs when the lower bit rate song is available, so that you can leave your Mac at any time with an iPod full of music.
  9. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    I still use it (on my 32gb iPhone) for the same reasons -- it saves me a few gigabytes I can use for apps. There are a lot more games I might leave on my iPhone if I had extra space (e.g. when I get a 64GB iPhone), so for now, I'm content to have 128kbps audio on my iPhone. I haven't noticed that it's been too bad.
  10. Scarpad macrumors 68000


    Jan 13, 2005
    This should be made selectable or at least Bumped to Itunes Plus 256KVBR, its an old setting left over from old Ipods.
  11. nim81 macrumors member

    Feb 16, 2010
    Yeah this is a really useful feature. I've unticked this box now that I've upgraded to a 64Gb 4S, but I used this on my old 32Gb phone up to now, it was the only way I could fit my music collection on to the phone.

    As far as I know, I think the 16 and 32Gb iPhone variants are still the biggest sellers not to mention the millions of 8/16Gb iPod Nanos out there, so what would be the point in removing it? As others have said, it's not harming anyone.
  12. tkermit macrumors 68040


    Feb 20, 2004
    I use it to fit my whole music collection of 120GB on my seven-year-old iPod whose hard drive I just upgraded to 40GB. I'm way less particular about audio quality on the go than I am at home. :)
  13. stordoff macrumors regular

    Aug 24, 2009
    It's very useful for syncing my iPad with my Apple Lossless music collection, so I'd hate to see it removed. I would like the bitrate to be selectable though, or at least bumped up to 256kbps.
  14. maril1111 macrumors 68000


    Mar 14, 2010
    Its a good idea when I synchronize music with my ipod shuffle especially cuz i have everything in my itunes library in apple lossless.
  15. noisycats macrumors 6502a


    Jun 1, 2010
    The 'ham. Alabama.
    Increases my shuffle capacity by a third. Just ignore it if it doesn't suit your needs
  16. iEvolution macrumors 65816

    Jul 11, 2008
    Not with only a pathetic 16GB nano being released for the past 3-4 years and nevermind the shuffle that got a 2GB downgrade. Then the touch has been sitting on 64GB for 2 years.

    The 128kpbs conversion is the only way I can squeeze what I want onto the Nano and still have some breathing room...the shuffle should have it on by default, 2GB is a joke these days even for a screen less player.

    If you are lucky you can get 250 songs on the shuffle without conversion. I can run through these songs in a hurry if I'm using one on of my picky days.

    File sizes get larger they don't get smaller, my opinion is apple should update the capacities so we wouldn't have to use the conversion option.

    I really hate it when people think their needs are the universal needs of others and while I'm aware that my high capacity needs are in the minority why is these feature hurting you?
  17. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    Selectable (down-convert all higher bit-rate songs to xxx) is not a bad idea....
  18. steve-p macrumors 68000


    Oct 14, 2008
    Newbury, UK
    No. I use it to get all my music on my 64GB iPhone, otherwise it wouldn't fit. It's fine in the car, although at home I use lossless. I would say that they should offer 128 and 256 kbps downsampling though.
  19. iann1982 macrumors regular

    Jul 9, 2008
    Leicester, UK
    I'm glad I'm not the only one wishing that you could choose the bit rate here, I have about 40% of my music in lossless format - and I'd like that to transcode to 256 for use on iPod and iPhone. I don't think that keeping two separate libraries is the answer (unless iTunes is managing it ala SD / HD video)

    I wonder where that setting for 128 is stored? If it was in a plist then perhaps you could simply change it?

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