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Convince me on lag on rMBP
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I do use the rMBP, just not the way you do. I'm not ignoring problems if I don't see them in my usage.
I have lots of Macs, in fact I've been using them since 1986 and used their laptops since the PowerBook 100. I also have a retina iPad and had the 15" rMBP. What I disagree with you and others is what is reasonable. I think the current implementations are pretty reasonable. You say you want basic reasonable modern computing standards, yet if you see any lag at all it's unacceptable. I've seen lag in various applications and websites in non-retina Macs. Yet the rMBP get singled out as being unacceptable?
I can see buying a refurb rMBP now because you will not get a Haswell machine for the same amount. $1599 for a 15" rMBP is a heck of a deal.
FWIW, I thought my mid 2011 MBA 13" was perfect. I had no idea it had so many "problems" until I read the forums.
If it works for you, keep it. If you go hunting for problems, you will find them. We need not wait long after the Haswell systems are released before the forum is flooded with "problem" reports. Every year folks assume the next version will somehow solve all the woes of the previous gen without introducing new ones.
Buying one now does not make you an "idiot". Just make sure it's heavily discounted and enjoy.
Oh, and for these being "Pro" notebooks? Please. Pro is the name. Shouldn't stick your nose up in the air because you think it's a "Pro" notebook and not prone to problems. Expensive yes, Pro, no.
FWIW, I thought my mid 2011 MBA 13" was perfect. I had no idea it had so many "problems" until I read the forums.
If it works for you, keep it. If you go hunting for problems, you will find them. We need not wait long after the Haswell systems are released before the forum is flooded with "problem" reports. Every year folks assume the next version will somehow solve all the woes of the previous gen without introducing new ones.
Buying one now does not make you an "idiot". Just make sure it's heavily discounted and enjoy.
Oh, and for these being "Pro" notebooks? Please. Pro is the name. Shouldn't stick your nose up in the air because you think it's a "Pro" notebook and not prone to problems. Expensive yes, Pro, no.
Don't forget to check the price at amazon.com. BB will match the price if the laptop is less expensive.
I'm buying a refurb from apple so I'll be beating both prices lol. Thanks for the advice though!
Well if you can't afford a new one then waiting for Haswell was never an option for you unless you were willing to wait for it to hit the refurb/used market and buy it that way. In your original post you mentioned spending $2,200 on a new computer so I assumed you were considering buying a new one, all that said I think that buying a refurb is a great idea.
My apologies for not being clear, yeah a 2,200 dollar like-new may be more accurate.
And I'm typing this on a 2.4 ghz, 8gb ram, 512mb VRAM rMBP in our Best Buy, and I've scrolled down facebook as well as opened mission control and I see NO lag. Or any lag is barely visable. Unless I can produce some, I will be buying mine!
There was a scroll lag on first models from mid 2012 (most of the lag was due to Lion and early versions of ML), the 2013's model doesn't suffer from lags, I myself have a 2013 15" rMBP 2.7 and is even much faster on scrolling web pages than a 2 year-old Windows PC we have at home, the other day I was at a store and played with a Windows 8 PC that had a 1080p touchscreen and it lagged horribly when scrolling!!!, my iPad scrolls faster than that computer!!!, rMBP web page scrolling is even faster than many Windows PC's out there, I use Chrome Canary and Safari Webkit and both scroll like butter. All I can say is that this machine is the fastest and coolest computer I've ever had.
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The lag was a software issue, the integrated and dedicated graphic card are really capable to handle efficiently those pixels on a normal use, the operating system was not prepare for high DPI screens, graphic drivers need to be optimise to handle those pixels, actually the rMBP's graphic cards have been overclocked, so I wouldn't worry about it. It's always the same when it comes to computers: the hardware always needs to wait for the software to be ready.
Well unless something new comes up I think I will order mine tonight
Anyone have a reason not to?
No, not at all. That is an amazing computer and will be great for your needs. Go for it.
Just to make this clear: I've never had any kind of lag on my 15" rMBP. But two days ago I had a late 2012 13" version at home and it was slow as heck.
"A temporary problem". Not sure to laugh or cry. rMBPs were released June 2012. Mavericks coming out in fall. I don't consider 16 months temporary. I call it major f..k up.
I just got my second rMBP in a week. Not only is there absolutely no lag (whereas the first one which had an identical configuration lagged like crazy out of the box - stutters during web site loading, stutters when resizing windows etc), it also runs much cooler and the fan isn't on all the time.
I had similar experience with the 15 inch rMBP I bought last year (I use that as a desktop replacement at home) - first one lagged like crazy and had a faulty screen. The second one was dramatically faster.
I'm starting to think that perhaps some of the components apple uses are responsible for the lag some of the rMBPs clearly display.
I had similar experience with the 15 inch rMBP I bought last year (I use that as a desktop replacement at home) - first one lagged like crazy and had a faulty screen. The second one was dramatically faster.
I'm starting to think that perhaps some of the components apple uses are responsible for the lag some of the rMBPs clearly display.
If you search Youtube for, Retina Macbook Pro problems you will see what the op os talking about.