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They didn't show the results of the scratching.

On a side note, I'm far more concerned about scratches than I am about accidentally placing 96% of my body weight directly on my phone against a small diameter metal surface.
This; for a camera lens, which is generally recessed anyway, sapphire makes a lot of sense as you really want to protect it from things like sand, dirt or keys or whatever that can get into the gap and scratch it (and ruin all future images). The chances of actually getting something into the camera lens with enough force to break it is pretty slim.

The screen meanwhile is a big area that's begging for trouble if dropped, and is a bigger area as well, so the less expensive, more impact resistant material is the better fit.

They're really two very different products for different purposes. Now if the scratch resistance of gorilla glass can be improved even further then that'd be great, as dropping a iPhone still risks scratching it.

I mean, really there's no point in testing these materials to breaking point for tablets and phones to see which is better; what's important is whether they're good enough to survive what they're intended for, which is either typically drops (e.g - from pocket or handheld height) or from scratches that impair usability (which is pretty much any scratch when talking about a camera).
 
The only way to scratch sapphire is with precious gems. If you carry a lot of those in your pocket then I am afraid to say that maybe the iPhone 6/7 isn't for you.

Most people carry quartz in their pockets in the form of dust - does that scratch sapphire?
 
I understand why some marketing person decided to not show the Gorilla Glass break, but I find it frustrating to watch the competition break and then not get to see the actual point in which the showcased glass shatters. Way to not let us "finish".

Also, Y U NO SHOW SCRATCH RESULTS?
 
Throw all the specs at me that you want, I reserve judgement to actual day to day use. If we see fewer broken displays out and about, this new tech lives up to its name. If we don't, it's all just specs on paper.

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I understand why some marketing person decided to not show the Gorilla Glass break, but I find it frustrating to watch the competition break and then not get to see the actual point in which the showcased glass shatters. Way to not let us "finish".

Also, Y U NO SHOW SCRATCH RESULTS?

It's all marketing with almost zero interest in showing users an ACTUAL comparison. Just wait for third parties to get their hands on the stuff and abusing to high hell.
 
"Beveled" may be a better way to describe how the glass is shaped. It is one of the reasons the phone feels so good in the hand - it is not squared off or merely chamfered, but is instead smoothly rounded.

Again, that is the plastic coating over the glass.
 
Most people carry quartz in their pockets in the form of dust - does that scratch sapphire?

No

I have a 20 year old Rolex with a sapphire glass crystal and work commercial construction. It's been banged into concrete and dragged across steel beams.

There's not a single scratch on it.
 
Cool but

What was the optical clarity of the sapphire vs Gorilla glass after 45 minutes of abrasion? Same or was one clearly better?

If I put 161 pounds of pressure on my smartphone, shame on me, but if I can't see the screen even though it can take 4x more pressure, shame on them.

The whole point of sapphire is not about its strength, but its toughness to resist abrasion in the first place and maintain optical clarity.
 
Oh great... So Gorilla glass is great for Gorillas with stiletto heals but sapphire is for those who actually care for scratch free screens. Gorilla glass actually has relatively poor hardness (5-6) so small sand specs etc. can easily scratch it.
 
So if Gorilla Glass is harder to shatter, and Sapphire is harder to scratch, why have they not made hybrid of the two? Something like Gorilla Glass with a thin Sapphire coating to stop the scratches?

Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

Apple isn't going to sapphire for the screen, to expensive, though their has been rumors of a hybrid of either a thin sapphire laminate bonded to Gorrilla Glass (have to deal with thermal expansion and different mechanical properties of each laminate, or a sapphire coating, the technology of which probably is not ready for production.

Take this to the bank. When Corning has a sapphire hybrid, they will tout it.
 
This video seems to be missing the point. Sapphire is used because (in theory) it's harder to scratch, this video just shows it shatters more easily.

EXACTLY. No matter how shatter proof Gorilla Glass is, you can still scratch the hell out of it. Sapphire, not so much.

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Most people carry quartz in their pockets in the form of dust - does that scratch sapphire?

Nope. Quartz is is a 7 on Mohs Hardness. Sapphire is a 9.
 
I've got a Tag Heuer watch that has a sapphire crystal and it's already been broken once. It's expensive to get it replaced too. > $300.00. I'd pass on anything like a cell phone or tablet that claimed to have a sapphire face. Too fragile for most things IMO...

I've also had sapphire crystals scratch and chip. For the lens on the camera, maybe. For the front? No...
 
Apple used the terms "jewel" and "diamond cut" when talking about the iPhone 5, which, by most accounts is more fragile than previous phones. Given the choice between durability and marketing terms that sound really, really, cool, I think they'll go with 'sapphire'.
 
I'd be pretty sassy if I carried 3 tablets and a bitchin' smartphone around. He's got cash to spare.
Unless he just took them from people.
tl;dr Unless your ass can focus all of its weight into the size of a quarter, sapphire is fine.
Put a quarter in your pocket and you are pretty close to achieving that.

All these stress point issues are part of why I keep my phone in a shirt or jacket pocket, not pants.
 
side topic...

Anyone besides me think that this home button reading of the fingerprint thing is completely wrong?

I think the sensor will be under the main screen and you'll just swipe to unlock and it will read your finger when you do so.

Seems more elegant to me. I'm sure the technology will dictate whether this can be done or not, but it's no secret in some of apple's patents that they are doing a lot with sensors and technology wedged within or below the screen.
 
Sapphire is pretty much a form of transparent AL. Its Aluminum Oxide.

The problem is it takes a lot of heat and energy to grow sapphire glass. Its pretty much reserved for high end watches. I do not see it as being the choice for phone screens produced in the millions.

I bet the screen protector business will hurt big time if they do move to sapphire but I am sure there are many naive people that will still put them on their phones.

Where's Scotty and his transparent aluminium?
 
Read what I wrote again

Ok. Just did. You've seen a lot of broken screens. What I'm saying is that with any other kind of glass, practically every single iPhone would break.

Most of the time, when you drop an iPhone onto the pavement, it doesn't break. That's remarkable for glass.
 
What about Invicta's Flame Fusion Process.

Suppose to be a blend of both advantages.
 
I actually have an iPhone 5 with sapphire crystal

I retrofitted (modded) my iphone 5 with a sapphire crystal screen. it's very hard to scratch. It did some drop test with it and it performmed very well. the screen did not break until i hit it VERY hard with the pointy end of a house key several times. The picture quality looks slightly better with colors that seem deeper and pop out more. I am very happy with it and since replace the shattered screen with another sapphire crystal screen.
 
you can layer the iphone with diamond glass for all i care, and most of us will still cover it with crappy plastic screen protectors LOL

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hence why apple is makign the ipad more like the ipad mini design

They would be smart to, because diamond is fact brittle and will easily shatter.
 
They would be smart to, because diamond is fact brittle and will easily shatter.

Diamond can easily shatter only when the raw diamond is cut and polished. In matter of fact the shattering is not due to the weakness of the diamond but due to the fact when there is a mistake in cutting process. To cleave a diamond, the cutter places a chisel at a point of weakness in the stone and taps it with a mallet, causing the gem to split. If the weakness was misjudged, this can destroy the stone. However, even this process requires specially manufactured tools some of which are coated with diamonds them selves. Therefore, breaking diamond by accident without actually using tools manufactured for the cutting process is not going to happen.
 
Sapphire is pretty much a form of transparent AL. Its Aluminum Oxide.

The problem is it takes a lot of heat and energy to grow sapphire glass. Its pretty much reserved for high end watches. I do not see it as being the choice for phone screens produced in the millions.

The current cost of a sapphire screen for the iPhone is $30, decreasing to $20 per unit within two years with economies of scale.

Yes, that would be a fairly significant additional cost to add to the estimated $207 it already costs to build an iPhone 5 - - but it would be quite a trump card for marketing.

Personally, if it was a $30 option, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
 
Not even close. For some perspective: if you had a sapphire screen on your phone and you took a hardened steels tool to it, the screen would scratch the tool. The only way to scratch sapphire is with precious gems. If you carry a lot of those in your pocket then I am afraid to say that maybe the iPhone 6/7 isn't for you.
This is false. Hardned steel will scratch a sapphire.

I have an original Heuer (pre Tag) watch with a sapphire crystal and it has plenty of fine scratches on it from years of use.
The biggest scratch came from a tire iron that slipped from my hands while changing a tire.
Cost $350 to replace the damaged crystal.
 
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