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Surely its the 1 small piece of gravel/asphalt that sticks up further than the rest that breaks the screen not the roughness?

The surface of sandpaper is far too uniform to be a fair test.

I agree. Sandpaper lol ridiculous.

They probably spent millions on this BS.

I could test the damn things out for them for $12.

Give me a stack of phones, a few beers, and a parking lot. :cool:
 
Another poster and I were just talking in another thread about the term "Ion Strengthened Glass" that Apple is using in its marketing of the iPhone 6/6+ and Apple Watch Sport.

I wonder if that has anything to do with Corning's new product, or if it is simply a marketing term they've come up with to avoid admitting that they use Gorilla Glass (as they historically have)?

Yeah, I was just thinking that. Nice timing of this news not long after I posted this in the other thread, though it seems to raise more questions than it answers :

- Is Gorilla Glass 4 "Ion Strenghtened"?
- Is the iPhone 6 already using Gorilla Glass 4?
- Or is the iPhone 6 using a special "Ion Strenghtened" flavor of Gorilla Glass 3 made specifically to meet Apple's demands (as a backup plan for sapphire?)
 
Why are we still ignoring the Elephant in the room?

Yes, glass is fragile, and can break when impacted in various ways.

That's a given, we know and understand that.

However, that's not REALLY the problem

The problem is the people who make the devices (phones) are not designing them in any ergonomic way.

It's like someone said to Apple or another maker. Ok, we need to set out to make a device that's got zero grip on the surface due to the material used, and also make the body, flat and smooth to make it ever harder to grip.

And thin. Don’t forget to make it thin, so the most critical gripping surfaces have no surface area.
 
I repair broken screens on Apple Devices, and my thoughts on these drop tests in the lab are:

They're simulating the drop right on the face of the device which probably accounts for less than half of the "real world" drops. The drop tests that online personalities run when they get their new devices are done similarly but it doesn't cover most of the drops that I come in contact with: back, side, and corners. You can even see in the video that when the woman is dropping her phone it isn't falling straight onto its face like they're simulating it in the lab.

My other thought is I would not trust that woman with a phone that wasn't in a life-proof or otter box case :)
 
1 meter.. thats a child dropping a phone.

But the reality is that iPhone screens often do break from 1 meter drops. I've seen this happen even on smooth, relatively soft surfaces!

Anything that improves the survivability of the screen is a good thing. It's the biggest flaw in the iPhone's otherwise robust design.
 
I think they really should test it from 2 meters just to be safe, and make it 2-meter proof. I don't expect it to survive a fall from the Empire State building, but if I hold out my arm like I'm going to give the phone to someone, that is higher than 1 meter (I am a 6 foot tall person).

And what is keeping them from making the phone waterproof again?? I thought all they had to do was a coating. Toilet-dropping is another biggie that causes a trip to the Apple store.
 
I wonder how much this gorilla had to suffer just for them to take that picture? And we're worrying about our phone screens.
 
That's the problem. There is no such known material. Even screens made of diamond would shatter just as easily. The shatter-proof, scratch-proof transparent rectangle requires a whole new, breakthrough innovation much like the all-month battery. It's beyond anything that exists now at any price.

I suspect it will be easier to invent anti-gravity so that a future iDevice can sense that it's falling, activate the anti-grav and float in for a feather-soft landing. As "out there" as that sounds, the challenge involved is probably about the same.

Or maybe the device will be so light and thin (say 50g and 3mm), that the impact for will be negligeable; Like a piece of paper hitting the ground ;-).
 
Gotta admit, these guys don't give up! Good for them, give me Sapphire glass! I was wondering why these guys don't use some sort of Sapphire since Sapphire is strongest!?
 
Gotta admit, these guys don't give up! Good for them, give me Sapphire glass! I was wondering why these guys don't use some sort of Sapphire since Sapphire is strongest!?

These guys have been in business for over a 100 years. Saphire has been around a very long time, used a lot in watch faces, right along with clear ruby. Reading a little about GT's failure, it wasn't about growing saphire, it was about growing saphire boules large enough to be cut into device sized pieces. My guess is, Corning is trying to grow saphire, and posiibly ruby, large enough to do just that. 100 years in business... and they didn't bite on an apple deal to make saphire, I wonder why.
 
Yeah, I was just thinking that. Nice timing of this news not long after I posted this in the other thread, though it seems to raise more questions than it answers :

- Is Gorilla Glass 4 "Ion Strenghtened"?
- Is the iPhone 6 already using Gorilla Glass 4?
- Or is the iPhone 6 using a special "Ion Strenghtened" flavor of Gorilla Glass 3 made specifically to meet Apple's demands (as a backup plan for sapphire?)

Yes, Gorilla Glass is "ion strengthened", aka "chemically strengthened". Using a heated potassium bath, surface sodium ions are replaced with larger potassium ions, which makes it stronger.

Because Apple simply repeated another description of it, a lot of people assume that Apple is (still) using Gorilla Glass. E.g. Forbes points out that Corning said its sales would pick up this quarter, and that the Corning CEO said about their customers:

"We keep their secrets. So, regretfully I am going to keep Apple’s secrets. You only have to wait a few more hours and you’re gonna see a really exciting launch from them. I’m really excited about it”.
 
Gotta admit, these guys don't give up! Good for them, give me Sapphire glass! I was wondering why these guys don't use some sort of Sapphire since Sapphire is strongest!?

It has been said time and again that while sapphire is harder (i.e more scratch resistant) than glass it is also more brittle. To make is as strong as glass it would have to be significantly thicker - definitely not something phone manufacturers want.

Also there's no such thing as "sapphire glass". Sapphire is a gemstone.
 
I like how it's a middle class privileged female who is always dropping that hypothetical expensive smartphone on stupid occasions. Who cares, her rich dad or husband will buy her another one in a drop of a hat. Finally some common sense in this crazy world of SJW and PC.

And exactly what makes you think that a 'middle-class privileged female' doesn't earn her own money?

For the record, I know many more 'middle-class privileged females' who earn their own money than who are supported by a dad/husband.

You need to get out more.....
 
The answer to glass breaking is implanting the visual feed into your retina. Then the iPhone retina would truly be what it means. Simply visit the dr to replace your A8 chip with A9 when you want to upgrade. Your brain has PB of storage - so it'll be less production cost for Apple.
 
What happened to their smug looking gorilla? :confused:
 

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Apple has a vertical supply chain, and prefers to own most of it for competitive advantage. If Apple can't get that product, or the company refuses to be exclusive, they either buy and make them sign an NDA (again, for competitive advantage), or don't buy at all.

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Knowing Apple's supply chain practices, I would love to team up with Samsung or another company to help chip away at Apple's resources and market share. I love their products, but a certain hiring manager broke my back at one point, so I've got a huge chip on my shoulder.


Since Samsung is part of Apple's supply chain, why would they want to 'chip away at it'?
 
Why are we still ignoring the Elephant in the room?

Yes, glass is fragile, and can break when impacted in various ways.

That's a given, we know and understand that.

However, that's not REALLY the problem

The problem is the people who make the devices (phones) are not designing them in any ergonomic way.

It's like someone said to Apple or another maker. Ok, we need to set out to make a device that's got zero grip on the surface due to the material used, and also make the body, flat and smooth to make it ever harder to grip.

Let's face it, smooth flat surfaces, made from smooth material with almost no friction, then on top of that, don't put any shock absorbent material around the glass either.

You really could not make it easier to slip out of your hand if you tried.

Again, it's all about the looks than the practicality.

For starters, the edges and back of the device could have a surface that did not slip from your hand.
Then people would jump up and down and say "waaaaaaaaaa It's not aluminium"

Form and style over function, again and again and again :(

You should be able to place a phone on your flat open hand, told your hand to almost vertical and the phone still won't slide off as the surface material would grip your skin.

Funny world

Some manufacturers do consider ergonomics with there phones and there are some out there that are easier to grip and hold onto, such as the Moto X, Droid Turbo and the HTC M8 to name a few. I find the iPhone and iPads to be very slippery devices making a case of some kind mandatory or else you must pay constant attention while holding them. Use an iPad in your lap and see how easily it slides around.
 
That's the problem. There is no such known material. Even screens made of diamond would shatter just as easily. The shatter-proof, scratch-proof transparent rectangle requires a whole new, breakthrough innovation much like the all-month battery. It's beyond anything that exists now at any price.

I suspect it will be easier to invent anti-gravity so that a future iDevice can sense that it's falling, activate the anti-grav and float in for a feather-soft landing. As "out there" as that sounds, the challenge involved is probably about the same.

What about clear plastic?
 
It has been said time and again that while sapphire is harder (i.e more scratch resistant) than glass it is also more brittle. To make is as strong as glass it would have to be significantly thicker - definitely not something phone manufacturers want.

Also there's no such thing as "sapphire glass". Sapphire is a gemstone.



Jumbo shrimp! Haha I can go on but I will not and you are correct!:cool:
 
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