You are 100% correct, it is theft.
These people who try to justify themselves are nothing but common thieves.
There is NO justification for illegally obtaining software that you should pay for. If you want it buy it.
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Cost of App Store Piracy Pegged at $450 Million
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You are 100% correct, it is theft.
These people who try to justify themselves are nothing but common thieves.
There is NO justification for illegally obtaining software that you should pay for. If you want it buy it.
I feel that way about rape. You know, it's just not going to go away. So embrace it.
Right? I mean, that is the basis of your argument, yeah?
Sort of. Beejive has figured this out, but their app is 100% dependent on it connecting to their servers to function. I imagine that if the app doesn't need to phone home, there probably isn't a way.
Apple obviously has safeguards in place to prevent people who are not the original buyer from using an app, but this gets removed when the app is cracked, similar to how I remember software cracking working in the 80s.
I think you're falling into the trap of arguing with a person (or persons) who uses misdirection and pedantry to dance around the actual issue at hand. In other words, you're letting him define the argument.
I hear what you are saying, but it was not that long ago that sodomy was illegal in every state in the US, now it is not. All I am saying is what happens when enough of these people form the majority of society and reject the idea of intellectual property?
This report seems to justify that there are far more people rejecting the idea of Intellectual Property by a margin of 3 to 1.
Well what do they expect at the prices that some developers charge
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if you steal apps that rarely break $10US....you'd steal from your grandparents/parents then.....
That's a fundamental problem in places like the US and the UK, where people have grown up with a sense of entitlement. I watch people blame the government and the banks for the economic crisis, yet they themselves are barely making rent and own HDTVs and PS3s/XBOX360s/etc, drive expensive cars, eat out all the time at nice restaurants... The concept of things being worked for is lost on a lot of them.
I don't think the next generation will be as bad, but the current one (and mine, I'm in my early 30s and we're part of it too) is sort of ridiculous when it comes to perspectives on entitlement and ownership. The whole mentality of the piracy argument is based around want, not around deserve.
People work hard to develop music/art/film/software/etc. Getting it for free when the people who spent the time, energy, and money didn't intend it as such is, at best, telling them to go F*** themselves.
Might as well pirate iLife, Logic, Aperture etc. These aren't free to produce, design or maintain but its not hurting anybody is it?
As much as I appreciate the civility of your argument, it is flawed. Sodomy is consensual, piracy is not.
I'm really curious as to what kind of person pirates apps that are anywhere from $0.99 to under $10.00........
We all know that doesn't happen too often. Why pirate a fully working copy then buy the same thing?
Or, could I take home that 50" HDTV and Bose sound system try in my house indefinitely, then pay for it when I feel like it or never?
I used to be that guy, and in the end I couldn't justify buying software that I had already stolen.
I don't think they are thieves, the ones negating that piracy is stealing, they are just splitting hairs.
This is very true. I'm simply not going to go into a HUGE debate over what I personally consider backwards logic.
The other classifications (copyright infringement, piracy, etc) are just other forms of THEFT and STEALING, not the other way around.
I won't lash out at anyone, I just don't get how stealing became so generally accepted over such a short amount of time.
It's because it's teh internet.
It is NOT the same as stealing someone's car. Nowhere near as traumatic for one thing.
What has this to do with the question stealing yes/no?
I never said that piracy has no effect on the revenue of the software developer, quite the opposite.
Piracy is a crime, but it's not the same as theft. You can spread a pirated software a million times and cause much more damage than with a simple theft of property. On the other hand, by illegally downloading Photoshop you don't automatically create a loss of $800 for Adobe.
Apple did not lose 140 million. You can't lose something you never recieved. Besides 140 million is an estimate based on a lot of supposition.
You have to take these claims with a grain of salt. Piracy exists. There aren't any journalists out there with their finger on the pulse of software pirating well enough to accurately make claims like those in this article. Journalists aren't well known for their ability to tell the truth.
You have to take these claims with a grain of salt. Piracy exists. There aren't any journalists out there with their finger on the pulse of software pirating well enough to accurately make claims like those in this article. Journalists aren't well known for their ability to tell the truth.
I think the devs are wrong here.
I can only speak for myself but this is the situation for me with apps and programs.
For example, photoshop cs2 (or what ever cs), lets say i download that from any torrent site, I will download it becuase I can get it for free. If there was no way for me to get it for free, I would never download it or buy it. In that case the developer dont loose any money at all from me.
Same thing with apps on app store.
FIFA10? Yeah I wanna try that! But do I wanna buy it? Hell no! Too expensive!
Can I get it for free? Then allright, I download it!
No way to get it for free? Allright, then I wont download it.
I can only speak for myself but this is the situation for me with apps and programs.
For example, photoshop cs2 (or what ever cs), lets say i download that from any torrent site, I will download it becuase I can get it for free. If there was no way for me to get it for free, I would never download it or buy it. In that case the developer dont loose any money at all from me.
Same thing with apps on app store.
FIFA10? Yeah I wanna try that! But do I wanna buy it? Hell no! Too expensive!
Can I get it for free? Then allright, I download it!
No way to get it for free? Allright, then I wont download it.
Most people here should google more often, not knowing about pirated apps on iPhone. What a joke.
Basically every paid app that is released up until today, is released for free the next day.
there are literally sites like Appulous that provide you with whatever Paid app you're looking for, it's even got the free ones available... and this is after you jailbreak your iPhone (which is also 1 click on the button). People here are acting as if it takes hours to jailbreak and get ahold of pirated apps.... welcome to the internet people, this is just a typical case of piracy. It's just as easy as downloading MP3's which we we all know were pirated 95% of all songs last year.
Basically every paid app that is released up until today, is released for free the next day.
there are literally sites like Appulous that provide you with whatever Paid app you're looking for, it's even got the free ones available... and this is after you jailbreak your iPhone (which is also 1 click on the button). People here are acting as if it takes hours to jailbreak and get ahold of pirated apps.... welcome to the internet people, this is just a typical case of piracy. It's just as easy as downloading MP3's which we we all know were pirated 95% of all songs last year.
It's humorous to see people try to justify stealing apps by arguing the definition of "piracy" or by arguing that the numbers are all wrong.
Piracy is wrong. That's all there is to it. This isn't a huge debatable topic like some people are making it out to be.
Piracy is wrong. That's all there is to it. This isn't a huge debatable topic like some people are making it out to be.
Anything that can be had for free is a massive allure no matter how little it would have cost.
I mean, this wasn't my post you were replying to, nor my argument, but...
No. That's not the basis of the argument.
The digits are just a medium though. That's like saying ink or air can't be owned therefore anything that is printed or made audible is automatically in public domain. The logic is flawed because it focuses on the medium and not what the deliver medium contains. It also fails to take into consideration that the idea behind the product is more valuable than the product itself. For example, a can of Coke costs 60 cents but the formula for Coke is priceless.
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Well no, it's not if you never intended to buy it in the first place.Might as well pirate iLife, Logic, Aperture etc. These aren't free to produce, design or maintain but its not hurting anybody is it?
No it means exactly that, they stole 99 cents.
That may not mean much to you but multiply it by thousands, theft makes a huge difference to developers. It is even worst if you are a developer in the small scale, that is of a company 1 to 5 people. A thousand dollars can pay your mortgage for a month.
dave
That may not mean much to you but multiply it by thousands, theft makes a huge difference to developers. It is even worst if you are a developer in the small scale, that is of a company 1 to 5 people. A thousand dollars can pay your mortgage for a month.
dave
The problem is that with this mindset, the developers who created the software aren't losing any money either, despite however many copies of the app are stolen. Who cares that they spent time (which costs money), effort (which costs money) and money (which costs money) to create and submit that app to the App Store. Nope, they're just not making any money, right?
Personally, I can think of only one reason why Apple may not be following up on this; they're trying to find a way to prevent it in the first place and need to know who, when, and how it's being done. If they can figure out all three, maybe they can stop it entirely--at least for a while.