Your point is based on not costing a developer anything. If everyone pirates software, developers lose millions, people lose jobs, and future versions of the software don't get made.
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Your point is based on not costing a developer anything. If everyone pirates software, developers lose millions, people lose jobs, and future versions of the software don't get made.
Care to elaborate?
If you don't feel that the software merits the price point then you don't have to buy it. If the App was sold in a box directly from the Apple Store would you just walk in, pick up the box and walk out without paying?
this isnt xbox you cant just banned someone for a hacked phone. not to mention the fcc is for jailbreaking so apple who be is a mess. you can also just custom it every time so apple cant win.
yes im a jailbreaker ever since iphone number one. not to mention i can develop jailbroken apps not to great yet but can.
now you think jailbreak is just for piracy. um no i have things like overboard and pro switcher which are very handy which apple wont allow on the app store.
not to mention the app store is a rip off of the jailbreak. also if you if didnt know. next tons of apps it the app store where once in the cydia.
next all those app that where gotten by free where never going to be paid for or bought so they actually didnt loose anything . i dont use the jailbreak for free apps i use it for things not allowed in the app store by the way.
also im sure i have tonz of grammar and spelling mistakes but i need to go somewhere so ill fix them latter
I agree it's wrong, but by no means is it stealing.
Stealing: I go to a lot and take a car, drive away.
Piracy: I go to a lot, clone a car and drive away.
The difference? With stealing, one loses property. With piracy, you lose an object of infinite quantity that the person probably wasn't going to pay for anyway.
Stealing: I go to a lot and take a car, drive away.
Piracy: I go to a lot, clone a car and drive away.
The difference? With stealing, one loses property. With piracy, you lose an object of infinite quantity that the person probably wasn't going to pay for anyway.
That doesn't make it right. By a competitor's app, that makes it right.
--if a Lotus is too expensive (or a rip off), I'll buy the Honda. I don't steal the Lotus.
That's about the poorest anti-piracy argument I've heard.
First, you can't review a game (in the AppStore) unless you've purchased it. Apple doesn't allow non-owners to review apps any longer.
Second, with your logic, any reviewer of any product that got a free copy of the product for review purposes can't be trusted because since they didn't pay for it the are more liable to give a bad review because they didn't really want it before they got it. I guess I shouldn't trust David Pogue, or Andy Ihnatko or Walt Mossberg's reviews of any product with your logic.
How about this analogy for you?
You have a job where you are supposed to be paid $1000/week. Several weeks of the month you only get a check for $200 before taxes. Would you consider your wages were "lost", since they never were given to you? When you question your boss on it, they reply well, I didn't think your work was worth it 4 out of the 5 days, so we just took your work & didn't pay you for it.
So you complain about this to some colleagues. They argue you are charging too much for your wages & if you lowered it to $200/week, your bosses wouldn't cut money from your check. So you say, OK, I'll lower my rate to $200 a week. Over the next month, several weeks you were only paid $40/week. Why? Is it because you charge too much or because your boss is a thief?
No, because downloading something is far far easier to get away with than walking out of a shop without paying.
I also wouldnt do that, no.
The medium of the internet puts up a barrier to this "walking in and stealing" thing.
We just download and install - I didn't change any of the code to the app to allow it to run. Someone else did. Not my problem.
I would never have bought TomTom. Ever. I will buy a standalone unit in a month or two.
For free, I will install the app.
It's not like I download ever app this way.
TomTom can go jump - it's small devs like the guys that write "Papers" that I want to support.
WHOA! THERE!
CONTEXT PAL!
I never said ANYTHING BOUT being super mega pro developer guy....
My statements ever since then have been strictly about PIRACY being THEFT.
I've stolen plenty of software from time to time, will still buy ONE SINGLE USER copy of iWork and Mac OSX to put on 10 machines.
When I steal though i won't sugar coat the hell out of it and call it infringing, or say that. "I am NOT REALLY STEALING since it's just 1's and 0's"
Absolutely agreed, I was just saying that sodomy is a mutually consensual act; sodomized rape is still illegal, after all.
This is possible, but I think that most people still buy and support the things/products/developers/artists/etc. that they love/use regularly/etc. Where I point again at the sodomy laws is that, until the developers/artists/producers/etc. WANT their product to be downloaded for free, piracy isn't mutually consensual.
Mmmmm this article is premium roast BS.
Procuring Apps isn't the easiest thing in the world. Not saying its difficult for those in the know, but come on now. Half of the people here wern't even aware of the possibility of pirated apps.
So one camp (i.e. 99% of windows users) say Apple users are the dumbest on the planet, yet apparently THREE out of FOUR iPhone users have the abil..no..have the desire to pirate applications and have gone through the steps to make this a reality? Good Game. Best Statistics ever.
I know the "Dev Team" personally (well, a few members) and all this talk about Jailbreaking == piracy is idotic. Ballmer could come out and say that 100% of computers have the ability to utilize unauthorized software and have thus done so. Jailbreaking has it's legitimate uses. Running pirated apps is a pain in the butt anyway; not sure why anyone would do it. Find some Apps that don't suck and keep them on your phone, how simple is that? I paid Twenty dollars for the iPhone version of Omnifocus when I could have just gotten the cracked .ipa and been done with it. Why didn't I? Well, A) Because it's a local Seattle outfit, and B) things tend to work better when you pay for them, considering all the hacked windows installations i've seen over the years. Updates are a breeze too. The only hacks I need to worry about is making sure iTunes doesn't update my eyetv app from 1.0 because it has the live-tv-over-3g easter egg
Procuring Apps isn't the easiest thing in the world. Not saying its difficult for those in the know, but come on now. Half of the people here wern't even aware of the possibility of pirated apps.
So one camp (i.e. 99% of windows users) say Apple users are the dumbest on the planet, yet apparently THREE out of FOUR iPhone users have the abil..no..have the desire to pirate applications and have gone through the steps to make this a reality? Good Game. Best Statistics ever.
I know the "Dev Team" personally (well, a few members) and all this talk about Jailbreaking == piracy is idotic. Ballmer could come out and say that 100% of computers have the ability to utilize unauthorized software and have thus done so.
Jailbreaking has it's legitimate uses. Running pirated apps is a pain in the butt anyway; not sure why anyone would do it. Find some Apps that don't suck and keep them on your phone, how simple is that? I paid Twenty dollars for the iPhone version of Omnifocus when I could have just gotten the cracked .ipa and been done with it. Why didn't I? Well, A) Because it's a local Seattle outfit, and B) things tend to work better when you pay for them, considering all the hacked windows installations i've seen over the years. Updates are a breeze too. The only hacks I need to worry about is making sure iTunes doesn't update my eyetv app from 1.0 because it has the live-tv-over-3g easter egg 
That's superfluous; you never stated if you were interested in those programs or not. You asked if downloading them would hurt anyone.
Your point being?
You suggest that if you would not pay for an application, then that necessarily means you would not have use for it. That's a obviously not always true.
Don't forget those, like me, who JB their iphone only to have some options we don't have with an un-JB iphone.
1. hiding apple icons
2. custom themes
these are the only reason why I JB my iphone
How can you link car crime to app theft?
Really?
How?
I fail to see how they are a relevant comparison.
Just because I would shout and swear at someone (a form of abuse), doesn't mean I will start beating my girlfriend (another form of abuse) does it??
Totally. Hate to break it to the OP, but almost EVERY REVIEWER ON THE PLANET gets their stuff free. That's sort of the point.
That's a very poor analogy.
The boss agreed to pay $1000 but didn't pay the full amount.
Software pirates aren't agreeing to buy software at a set price then not paying it in full.
So what you're saying is, they COULD have made money on me not buying their app, if I had not gotten it for free. But because I got it for free, they can't.
Interesting.
And again, I do not pirate apps.
I wonder who else does this?
I wonder how many people have a pirate version of Mac OSX?
I wonder how many people run Photoshop but haven't paid for it?
Dissagreed. Stealing is taking something that does not belong to you. If you didn't buy it, it doesn't belong to you. Simple as that.
steal (from dictionary.com)
verb (used with object) 1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right
Absolutely agreed, I was just saying that sodomy is a mutually consensual act; sodomized rape is still illegal, after all.
I see what you are saying. I apologize, I was using sodomy as an example of a society reversing directions, because the now legal sodomy was consensual even when it was then illegal. I guess I could have used confiscatory taxation as a better example I suppose.
Maybe you should look up the definition of Piracy, you obviously don't know what it means. Historically, pirates were seafaring people who boarded other ships at sea and stole anything and everything of any value from that ship, quite often right off the living or dead bodies of their victims. It's not only theft, but in historical terms, it included murder, vandalism and destruction of private property. That form of piracy is even now being used off the coast of Africa and nearly every major seafaring power in the world is working to stop the pirates themselves. The problem is, the only way you can prove someone is a pirate is to catch them in the act or with the stolen goods on their persons. Once these guys get to shore (or within their home country's sea boundary) they can't be arrested without going through that country's legal system, which may or may not be actively supporting them through payoffs or other reasons.
One official definition of a pirate is: • a person who appropriates or reproduces the work of another for profit without permission, usually in contravention of patent or copyright : [with adj. ] software pirates. (©Apple Dictionary.)
By this definition, piracy is not merely the stealing of software/IP, but includes the intent if not the actuality of selling the stolen IP for profit, thus effectively stealing twice from the creator as well as from their customers.
Again, Piracy is theft. It is nothing less than theft on a grand scale. This alone negates every one of your arguments.
Apple can easily remove the most common reasons for jailbreaking by:
- Allowing apps to execute in the background (backgrounder)
- Removing ridiculous 3g cellular restrictions (3g unrestrictor)
- Updating the user interface, allowing more home screens, menu system for those with many apps etc.
Since many answers to this thread indicates that piracy using jailbreaking is not known by all users, the result is that jailbreaking will increase (unless Apple does something about the problems described above).
- Allowing apps to execute in the background (backgrounder)
- Removing ridiculous 3g cellular restrictions (3g unrestrictor)
- Updating the user interface, allowing more home screens, menu system for those with many apps etc.
Since many answers to this thread indicates that piracy using jailbreaking is not known by all users, the result is that jailbreaking will increase (unless Apple does something about the problems described above).
They've been listening to the MPAA for too long. NO ONE IS BEING DEPRIVED OF ANYTHING. Technically and legally it cannot be stealing.
But you aren't charged with theft, you're violating the copyright. It's just that simpletons break it down to "stealing" apps.