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The bandwidth per app us peanuts. I would with please pay for it along our regular website. We did not ask Apple to host that for us, ...

And an index and search. Come on, this a just kB of text per App. Google is doing it for free for the whole web (not to mention wikipedia or the internet archive).

The users are limited. With Apple's tight security they can not load anting else. It takes thousands of hours of security researcher time to find a new security hole for a new iOS jailbreak. Nothing any joe user can do in their garage without investing thousands of hours of learning to code and security code breaking.

And what experience is that you believe? the totally locked in experience, ... like jail?

I have been with Apple since 200x. I had iBooks, a Cube and G5 and such. Back int he day the earpiece was open, standard conforming systems. With Unix, Posix, OpenFirmware, HTML, PDF and all such nice universal standards like that, ..!
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I believe MacRumors had posted an article that read something along the lines that Apple is projected to make 1 Trillion in revenue from services alone. Apple wants to be the mall, so they can take a cut from every sale, if hosting these apps were not profitable their would not be doing it. Who opens up a business to operate at a loss. This court ruling will help consumers, the sad part is that many fear it even though it will help them greatly.

Apple makes mistakes with hardware and software. Not perfect by any means, though many here will argue otherwise.
 
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I like things the way they are, and to me i think of the app store more of an app market. Yes apple runs the market, yes they make money from it but so do the vendors at some capacity (pay/ads/etc). If the vendors dont like it they arent forced to stay. Also if i dont like apples "market" i could go to the cydia market but no one there is marking sure there that bob's fish(apps) are save to eat.
 
I never found majority of the apps in the AppStore expensive, some people might depends on income I guess and opinion. I do however feel freedom of choice to install Third-Party should be offered. As mentioned I develop and test in-house developed app, and the limitations via DevTools for a week is ridiculous. If I want to offer this app for free why am I paying a Dev fee. If I was placing it for sale then I understand. Does it cost Apple money to vet these apps sure, however it is a problem their created if you want to sell via them. That is why a third-party option with a disclaimer of risk as is presently presented when installing via MacOS is suitable.

Boo hoo! That has nothing to do with this.
Also, free apps don't mean no revenue and you are using their tools and platform for distribution.
 
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This is absolutely NOTHING about running whatever you want on your device or tweaking it however you want.

Apple can legally lock down iOS however they see fit - this is not about monopolizing functionality or usage, it's about manipulating prices through the platform they deliver apps. Which they don't do because the prices are controlled by developers.

You must have missed that the boot process on iDevices is cryptographically secured. Unless someone takes enormous efforts of engineering one can not break out of the jail Apple puts 3rd party software in. So I can not just run anything I want.

I question if Apple can legally lock down consumer devices. After all they paid a premium price to _own_ it, ...

btw. what is wrong with your naysayers that you desperately want Appel to lock down your functionally and freedom???
 
Boo hoo! That has nothing to do with this.

So you prefer no choice, then to have a choice. Interesting. Next up we want no choice as it will keep us safe. Reality check you are under the illusion that you are safe.
 
You must have missed that the boot process on iDevices is cryptographically secured. Unless someone takes enormous efforts of engineering one can not break out of the jail Apple puts 3rd party software in. So I can not just run anything I want.

I question if Apple can legally lock down consumer devices. After all they paid a premium price to _own_ it, ...

btw. what is wrong with your naysayers that you desperately want Appel to lock down your functionally and freedom???


The "Apple Fans" have become the same people they despise, the IBM, Windows, etc folks (drones).
 
I question if Apple can legally lock down consumer devices. After all they paid a premium price to _own_ it, ...

btw. what is wrong with your naysayers that you desperately want Appel to lock down your functionally and freedom???

They absolutely have the legal right no matter how much you question it - this has been previously established by US and EU law. You own the hardware however you're licensing the OS for usage.

I enjoy Apple's dominance on the platform because they have made the correct decisions that allow the platform to flourish and be profitable for many parties.

Why can't you just accept that Apple wants to leave their device closed? Apple has been taking steps to deepen integration within the OS in much better ways, anyway.
 
??? You did not really understand the previous analogies.

If your grocery store does not sell your example gold I can go to your next example gold store.

Can I go with my iPhone to the next virtual AppStore?

Ah, ic, that is where your example falls flat, .... bummer.

All depends on how you define the market. I'd say you can go buy an Android device or Microsoft device and load their apps to your hearts content. That's what this will come down to, either on rehearing, en banc or in the Supreme Court. Apple will prevail.
 
If this goes through, have fun with all the spyware and other garbage that'll be stuffing phones soon. Doesn't matter if you don't download it yourself, your friends will and it'll do fun like giving their address book (with all your contact info, text history, and more. Access the friend's Facebook and they get access to everything you post.
 
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They have the legal right no matter how much you question it - this has been previously established by US and EU law.

I enjoy Apple's dominance on the platform because they have made the correct decisions that allow the platform to flourish and be profitable for many parties.

Why can't you just accept that Apple wants to leave their device closed? Apple has been taking steps to deepen integration within the OS in much better ways, anyway.


Might as well open this can of worms:
So you can BootCamp into WindowsOS on an Apple Computer even though MacOS is the default OS and can install other OSes including via VM. Yet you are not allowed to installed any OS on an iPhone or iPad.

Android OS, can be installed on any device except iPhones/iPad as its locked down by Apple. The same can be said for an Apple Computer. However why not allow the your customers to install another mobile OS on an iPhone/iPad while still having iOS as the default. Security you say sure, however on MacOS we have FileVault and in iOS we have TouchID (enclaved chip).

You as the consumer are still paying the asking price for the hardware and the default software, why restrict users who want to experiment/develop. If Apple wants to say fine, this will void your warranty that is their choice.

Apple: We invite innovation
Reality: As long as its on our terms and you paid the price for the hardware.
Consumer: Yeah, Apple is innovating by providing me a choice.
Reality: Majority have forgot about basic freedoms and rights and are confused with all the Apple marketing BS as to what innovation and choice really is.
 
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/Lower prices???? they cannot be serious. How can you get lower than free? The app developers have to pay you to use it?

Heck, even that developer offering the free app has to pay Apple $99 a year to be in the App Store. So they are in a sense paying to have people use their free apps.
 
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The argument is that once a user buys a piece of hardware, they own that hardrware, not apple, and if they chose to install applications from a 3rd party, Apple should have no right to block them from doing so

I don't disagree with them. But I'm not convinced a lawsuit is the correct response here. If a company does something you fundamentally don't agree with, your best answer is to not purchase that product from them
They can Jail break it if they choose to and add whatever at their risk or to their peril. Smart people buy Apple products to not have to worry about if this or that app is malicious.
 
If this goes through, have fun with all the spyware and other garbage that'll be stuffing phones soon. Doesn't matter if you don't download it yourself, your friends will and it'll do fun like giving their address book (with all your contact info, text history, and more. Access the friend's Facebook and they get access to everything you post.

There are many "white-hat hackers" that have informed Apple of several exploits. Some gets resolved right away, while other exploits take months and years to get resolved if we are lucky. You nor Apple is not immune to exploits and threats, its the digital age reality. The wall-garden was not protecting anyone, it was a mere illusion that many just accepted.
 
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The argument is that once a user buys a piece of hardware, they own that hardrware, not apple, and if they chose to install applications from a 3rd party, Apple should have no right to block them from doing so

Then they can jailbreak, and accept the risks.

Btw, how do you make free apps cheaper ?
Are the apps in the Playstore cheaper than on the App store ?
 
It doesn't work like that. If a rogue application cannot retrieve data from another iPhone and you describe, then it's an existing vulnerability. Also, it means this is already possible outside of an iOS app, ie perhaps via HTTP etc.

A rogue applications as per your description cannot auto magically get data from another iPhone if that phone is secure.



If this goes through, have fun with all the spyware and other garbage that'll be stuffing phones soon. Doesn't matter if you don't download it yourself, your friends will and it'll do fun like giving their address book (with all your contact info, text history, and more. Access the friend's Facebook and they get access to everything you post.
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Very simple.

Why not give *other* people the choice of multiple stores?

I use Apple because of the security of the app store.

I don't want multiple app stores...I could go android if I wanted my device to run like windows.
I especially don't want a court sticking its nose in this.
 
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Boo hoo! That has nothing to do with this.
Also, free apps don't mean no revenue and you are using their tools and platform for distribution.

In addition, Apple takes on the costs of distribution. How many TB of data transfer do you think it takes for those hundreds of thousands of downloads of a popular 1GB game?

The other cost people don't pay is marketing. With the App Store, you have a single stop where your app can be found. One of the biggest problems developers face with desktop apps is getting their product found. It'd hard to be seen when you're a small developer trying to rank well in Google search. But with the App Store that changes. It's a single place to be found.

Imagine trying to get your product found these days if you're not at Target or on Amazon. It's hard. The App Store is like an Amazon for apps. It's a real blessing for us developers.
 
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This lawsuit is such a steaming pile of garbage. If the plaintiffs have such an issue with App Store pricing, let them get Android devices instead.

The other alternative is for Apple to pay lawyers damages

There. Fixed it for you.
 
There are many "white-hat hackers" that have informed Apple of several exploits. Some gets resolved right away, while other exploits take months and years to get resolved if we are lucky. You nor Apple is not immune to exploits and threats, its the digital age reality. The wall-garden was not protecting anyone, it was a mere illusion that many just accepted.

You obviously don't understand the point of what was posted.

One study found that 20% of Android apps steal data.

Just a couple months ago more than 1 million Google accounts were stolen by malware apps and 86 apps available in third-party marketplaces can root 74 percent of Android phones. And that was just one instance.

Yes, stuff occasionally gets through the Apple review process, but it's far better than the lack of review we see on the Android side.
 
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