It ain’t over till it’s over. Government has been known to be wrong.
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Court Upholds Regulator's Case Against Apple Over App Store
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What does that even mean it ain’t over till it’s over?
What all governments of different countries that are regulating apple’s App Store are all wrong
Just what it says.
Imo, yes. Governments are wrong all of the time. It’s far to often government officials operate capriciously, unethically and from a pulpit of misinformation and misknowledge.
Well luckily it’s extraordinarily rare for laws to be found ”illegal ”because courts can’t make laws.
Can’t say Apple has any leg to stand on here 🤷♂️
I just don’t get what you mean by it’s not over till it’s over?
It’s very unlikely that all these governments are coming to the same conclusions about
The apple App Store they are not all cahoots with each other
yeah alright a government in Brazil are regulating apple’s App Store and now a European government are following suit
I very good pull the other one
What the South American Brazilian government are in cahoots with a small European government to get apple?
What would be the motive for international collaboration to regulate Apple?
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Thank you the reply.
Now we may continue to disagree, but my issue with a lot of these court cases is that they are any many ways a single attack against Apple for being very good at winning the game of Capitalism.
Take the iTunes gift cards. They probably had a share of 5% which is pennies on the dollar. But your store still got a cut, not a large one but still some.
I believe Apple has a right to take of cut, like any other business does, but the question is what should that cut be?
Apple should have been more proactive and created multiple tiers based on the level of support a company needs.
Large companies like Netflix, Spotify which already have accountants etc could go for a higher yearly developer fee account that has a bare minimum fee per transaction. While smaller companies who do benefit from the extra perks could pay a lower dev fee and have a slightly higher transaction fee (10%).
Do I believe that Apple is taking too much of a cut on subscriptions at a 15-30% rate? Yes, I do. Do I believe there is room to change? Yes. But I do not agree that Apple has been wrong in their business approach, cause any other business would have done they same in their shoes.
They acted upon a complaint filed by a particular company operating in a certain sector of apps.
…and so do Apple and Google with their respective policies on mobile apps, application stores and in-app purchases.
Coupled with the fact that iOS users don’t shop for their apps on Google Play and vice versa.
Which is why they are and act, in effect, not different from a monopoly.
So where is that room?
👉 Where is the competitive force or threat that would cause Apple to lower their rates?
Maybe. That’s why governments should and need to intervene in the market.
It’s a duopoly of two operators acting in lockstep, commanding control overnon-intersecting groups of consumers.
So basically a monopoly - just with two companies that do and charge the same.
Apple actually has a minority share compared to android. Duopoly’s are not illegal as monopolies are not illegal. There are actually more than two operating systems anyway.
They control a majority of transaction revenue for mobile apps. And operating systems other than iOS or Android only a negligible share.
It's also true for Apple losing good-will. Not only judges', regulators' and lawmakers'. But they're also slowly losing it from many of their most loyal and vocal fans, bloggers and the media. And ultimately developers.
But that is true for more than just the legal process(es).
It's also true for Apple losing good-will. Not only judges', regulators' and lawmakers'. But they're also slowly losing it from many of their most loyal and vocal fans, bloggers and the media. And ultimately developers.
They have a minority market share.
They haven’t lost good will from me. If you look at MR sure. Most people imo don’t care.
Not in terms of (share of) revenue, of which they are considered to command a majority.
Share of industry revenue is an established (and one of the two most common) economic measure of market share.
Certainly not.
But neither of us are representative of the large dev community.
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They are. Apple itself maybe not, but the App Store definitely is (as long as it's my only source to get Apps). Also Apple does have a marketshare of I'd say at least 50% in Phones >600$.
The App Store is not an illegal monopoly, at least in the US. It’s a monopoly by virtue of it being created by Apple in the same way that Honda has an a monopoly on the accord.
But overall market share. Apple customers are spenders. Like Chanel, fendi, Gucci I guess.
Is it? In electronics it’s commonly accepted to use units. Not avg $ per customer.
And you can’t know the feelings what the dev community at large. Just the vocal minority eg epic.
The comparison kinda sucks tbh. Honda sells a complete product (a car), whereas Apple operates a closed platform that imposes (or better said: forces) rules and fees on third-party developers.
Also, if Honda suddenly decided you could only use their tires on the Accord—and charged 30% of the tire price—that would be totally fine too, right?
Yes. Like Costco vendors elect to opt in to a business relationship to have a third party sell their wares, use their wares, etc.
People might go to Toyota then, because tires are a commodity. Apps are not.
Yes, but you are still free to sell your goods and services to the same customers everywhere else. While at Apple, you can't. I think you're just missing this point. If Apple got forced (and they luckily gets, in more and more countries) to allow Apps from outside the store, they could even charge 100% of commission. But at least give people the opportunity to get their stuff from a different place. That's the main difference between Apple and your Costco example.
And saying that Apps are not a commodity makes it just worse for Apple. You can get your commodities from any shady retailer/reseller of your wish. Why shouldn't that also be applied to Apps? Why would you let a profit-driven company decide what you want and what’s best for you? Are you really that incapable of acting independently?