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As a developer I can say nobody has anything to worry about, if anything Google Facebook and others are the ones who have been peeking at your private information for years

like messages in Facebook have been viewed by Facebook employees including any private photos, a human has actually been looking at your photos

Apple solution is only your own phone will look no human just a machine
 
No, they seem to check your machine flagged pictures with their human employees whenever your photos on your device match their database on your device.
 
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I really don't get the CSAM feature. Do people who distribute child pornography even use something like iCloud to store these illegal photos? Similarly, would they use Telegram or Whatsapp to distribute these photos? I'd think that they'd only use dark web for things like this.
NNTP, email, maybe even MMS, but the trick here is that people that do that kind of thing save the pictures and if they're stupid enough not to listen to outside news, iCloud could end up with pictures in the cloud. That's why I support cloud side scanning.

But device side, no way, no how. Way too 1984/Big Brother for me.
 
I am Apple user for 20 years. My company runs on Macs. Every employee is with an iPhone.
I am switching to Arch Linux all company computers. Luckily we have not invested in Apple products with T1 chip or M1.
Make no mistake: This is intrusion on user space of gigantic proportion. Apologetic or fanboy position hidden behind pseudo technical understanding of the problem makes you look stupid. We all have invested tons of money in Apple products, some of us in stocks too. All is over with this now.
Making money is good. But making decisions on facts and professional opinions of smarter than me people is more important. Apple is a company with deep pockets and interest in all aspects of our lives. All. Soon they will make a car.
The company philosophy of unification of platforms and walled garden is the worst case scenario for consumers ever.
When they hide taxes and use child labor governments are closing their eyes. Suddenly your data is of upmost importance and this software implementation gives a Door (not Backdoor) for every government or high level business interest to go in.
Think again when you give Apple your money next time.
My next phone will be carefully chosen and may be I am willing to abandon smartphone UX all the way.

Example of smarter than me people:

Oliver Knill from Harvard is sharing his thoughts here.


P.S. Created this account just to share my point of view. I hope we all realize seriousness of this Apple overreach.
Have a Good Day.
HELP! Big question I even hesitate to ask. What is the problem with the M1? I and our family are long-time Apple users (over 25 devices) and feel totally betrayed by this. Speaking out against it everywhere. Even today, on the weekend, I am in the process of de-Appling our family and business as much as possible. Signing out of iCloud and resetting devices to sell. It will take a few weeks to complete though (we were all in). However, with our business, we use Macs, including a 2020 M1 MBA. I was planning on sticking with it on Catalina for a few months until we can move to Windows (which also has the software we need). Is the M1 chip part of the problem here, even signed out of iCloud? Thanks in advance.
 
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I noticed Craig never actually talked about the audit system (when asked about protection) that he said would prevent abuse from happening.

Indeed. I like Stern, but wish she would've pushed a bit harder there. Though maybe he wouldn't have given more details anyway.

The whole interview felt a bit PR-ish, with the different camera angles, Craig in his "usual" uniform, etc.
 
Indeed. I like Stern, but wish she would've pushed a bit harder there. Though maybe he wouldn't have given more details anyway.

The whole interview felt a bit PR-ish, with the different camera angles, Craig in his "usual" uniform, etc.
I agree with you and @Expos of 1969 I think the interview was a softball PR stunt. The fact that Apple expects users to blindly trust about some mystical set of failsafes is concerning because there are too many people that blindly trust already.
 
I agree with you and @Expos of 1969 I think the interview was a softball PR stunt. The fact that Apple expects users to blindly trust about some mystical set of failsafes is concerning because there are too many people that blindly trust already.
Great way to put it. We have to blindly trust to a certain level, and Apple has built up a lot of equity in the “trust bucket” historically, in my opinion. But this feels like they’re really pushing it with that trust equity…
 
I want to get this straight. You all would prefer if Apple scanned all your photos on their servers? If they ended up adding end to end encryption for iCloud Photos, that would 100% be a back door that Apple had to use for your photos.
 
Indeed. I like Stern, but wish she would've pushed a bit harder there. Though maybe he wouldn't have given more details anyway.

The whole interview felt a bit PR-ish, with the different camera angles, Craig in his "usual" uniform, etc.
Tech reporters are just like sports reporters. Push too hard in an interview, and your access is cut off. If your access is cut off, you have no job. So, softball it is.
 
"Apple’s move was “tectonic” and a “huge and regressive step for individual privacy,” Alec Muffett, a security researcher and privacy campaigner who worked at Facebook and Deliveroo, told FT.
“Apple are walking back privacy to enable 1984, he added.
Ross Anderson, professor of security engineering at the University of Cambridge, called it “an absolutely appalling idea” that will lead to “distributed bulk surveillance” of people’s phones and laptops."

 
I think you lack a basic understanding of technology.

There will be a scanning system on your device.
At any moment that scanning system can be used to scan.... for something else.
Its simply a matter of changing lines of code.

Thats the problem.
I don’t think he lacks the knowledge of what is happening here, rather it’s just another defend Apple at all costs post.
 
I want to get this straight. You all would prefer if Apple scanned all your photos on their servers? If they ended up adding end to end encryption for iCloud Photos, that would 100% be a back door that Apple had to use for your photos.

I don’t want Apple scanning my photos at all. If you think I have have something illegal, do it properly: go to a judge and get a search warrant.
 
Indeed. I like Stern, but wish she would've pushed a bit harder there. Though maybe he wouldn't have given more details anyway.

The whole interview felt a bit PR-ish, with the different camera angles, Craig in his "usual" uniform, etc.
Apple employees of the director level or above completely control the narrative and the questions they ask.

Very not-unlike that 2008 TV show V S1 Episode 3 where Queen Anna is interviewed by Dekker - very interesting convo before seems very applicable here.
 
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