He says they’ll to address the question. That’s not the same as addressing the problem. They could easily decide the fix isn’t worth the trouble and write off further MacOS upgrades for machines with Fusion drives. Wouldn’t surprise me if they announce instead that all Macs will have SSDs going forward.
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Craig Federighi Says Apple Intends to Address APFS Support for Fusion Drives 'Very Soon'
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This is a bad take. I think it's darn near impossible that someone at Craig's level wouldn't think correspondence like this wouldn't be disseminated. In fact, I'd find it more believable that Jonathan's query served as a convenient way to ambiguously convey info about APFS without actually conveying info about APFS. It does Federighi no good if that little tidbit isn't put out there. Jonathan gets an answer and Apple gets some free press. Win/win
Cracked me up! SSD are so cheap now, why'd you bother? Right?
Yes I agree! My 2012 non retina macbook could not update, pretty much bricked. I had to do a few workarounds and lost my current system. Then for some reason my WD backup drive failed! Thank god there's no irreplaceable files
He didn't say anything about supporting the Fusion Drive, he said Apple would "address the question soon".
They could very well address it by announcing that the Fusion Drive is dead and all Macs will now ship with SSDs and thus everyone will be using APFS.
If you really want to impress Apple make SSDs standard and dump the spinning rust. Stupid you cannot buy a stock iMac with a decent sized SSD. Fusion is a kludge whose time has passed.
SSD prices haven't really dropped that much. Besides, I used an SSD as a startup disk on my old 2009 Mac Pro and have been pleasantly surprised by how little I notice the difference using a 2017 5K iMac with a Fusion Drive. I actually intended on switching to an external boot with an SSD fairly soon after I bought it...and still haven't found enough of a reason to do it yet.
At the prices charged for iMacs, Fusion Drives shouldn't be a thing. Such small SSD sizes are ridiculous, too!
2009 Mac Pro SSD running at SATA II speeds (max about 300MB/s). What size was your Fusion Drive? 1TB only has what? 24GB of SSD cache? If it was 2TB then it'd have 128GB SSD, and you should notice some difference.
A lot depends on what you do, too. It's more complex than just saying your '09 Mac Pro is as fast as a 2017 5K iMac.
I'm not upgrading to High Sierra until Apple gives disk utility developers what they need to update their disk utility apps to work with APFS formatted disks!
DiskWarrior can finally recognize an APFS disk, but, it can't do anything to it, here's what Alsoft says:
DiskWarrior can finally recognize an APFS disk, but, it can't do anything to it, here's what Alsoft says:
• What's in the works
The next major release of DiskWarrior will include the ability to rebuild APFS disks. Our developers are waiting for Apple to release the final APFS format documentation in order to safely rebuild APFS disks.
The next major release of DiskWarrior will include the ability to rebuild APFS disks. Our developers are waiting for Apple to release the final APFS format documentation in order to safely rebuild APFS disks.
My 2014 5K iMac’s Fusion Drive is juuust starting to show its age coming up on 3.5 years of age. That’s, of course, contingent upon a file being on the HDD, and there aren’t many of those given that I’m not a heavy disk user in the first place. SSD stuff is still, dare I say, snappy.
You already know that features for iOS 12 and macOS 13 will be delayed because they're trying to still release last years features.
Also, don't forget about AirPower matt, which is a hardware/firmware/software challenge for Apple to still tackle.
I hope that Apple presents us with APFS for my 2TB HD, and that the pending "Books" will allow me to open a pdf, edit the pdf, then store it back in Books. For now any edits to iBooks pdfs, close back into iBooks, iBooks reverts to the old pdf, even if I change the name, cover page one, and page count.
Yeah...they put APFS on the backburner so they can focus on emojis.
Will this tired meme just die already?
A lot of people without Fusion drives upset in this thread. "THIS DOESN'T IMPACT ME BUT I WANT SOMETHING TO BE MAD ABOUT!"
Bet most can't even tell us what the benefits of the filesystem are without looking it up.
Bet most can't even tell us what the benefits of the filesystem are without looking it up.
This response is still better than when Apple was asked about the Mac mini...
At least, this has hope where the Mac mini is pretty much dead.
At least, this has hope where the Mac mini is pretty much dead.
Yep. I have a Mac with a Fusion Drive and was just a bit miffed about reverting to HFS+ from APFS in the betas (yes, I know that’s what I signed up for), but that’s about it, and I’m not even remotely mad about how they’ve handled this. APFS wasn’t quite ready to ship for Fusion Drives last fall and I’m glad they didn’t risk it.
Based on the release of sooo many announced products and services by Apple lately...”soon” means nothing.
Apple is planning to share news on APFS support for Fusion Drives "very soon," Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi told MacRumors reader Jonathan in an email this afternoon.
Federighi shared the detail after Jonathan sent him an email asking whether or not APFS was still in the works for Fusion Drives, which combine a hard drive with flash storage to provide the speed of an SSD with the affordability of a standard hard drive. Fusion Drives are used in iMacs and Mac mini machines.
In response to Jonathan's question, Federighi gave a short but enticing answer, which we verified:With the launch of macOS High Sierra, Apple introduced a new Apple File System for Macs that have all-flash built-in storage. At the time macOS High Sierra was introduced, Apple said that the initial release of the software would not allow Fusion Drives to be converted to APFS, but confirmed APFS support would be coming at a later date.
Since then, iMac and Mac mini owners who have Fusion Drives have been eagerly waiting for Apple to implement support for the feature, but in update after update, no APFS support for Fusion Drives has materialized.
Federighi's statement suggests that APFS will be added as a feature in an upcoming software update, perhaps the macOS 10.14 update that's expected to be unveiled at the Worldwide Developers Conference in June.
For those unfamiliar with the new Apple File System, it's a more modern file system than HFS+ and has been optimized for solid state drives. It is safe and secure, offering crash protection, safe document saves, stable snapshots, simplified backups, strong native encryption, and more.
Article Link: Craig Federighi Says Apple Intends to Address APFS Support for Fusion Drives 'Very Soon'
Makes me feel like they’re going to announce new imacs with fusion drives base configs still. Wishful thinking i guess
I had been thinking that they had given up on Fusion drives and had planned to phase them out. I think Fusion drives seem like a great idea – a compromise between the speed of an SDD and the cheap storage capacity of a traditional spin disk. I'm kind of worried about using APFS though, especially on a Fusion drive where it has less field testing. APFS has enough problems on normal more-common drives as it is.
Yeah...they put APFS on the backburner so they can focus on emojis.
Will this tired meme just die already?
Nope! ... and the explanation is really quite simple. Of course Apple is working on a lot of things other than emoji, but given their overall size and number of engineers most of us really don't understand why Apple doesn't seem to be able to make more than incremental progress on many of the user-facing feature. Sure, they have hundreds of smart people working diligently on a lot of back-end processes, but that leave the little things hanging. Now add to that the seemingly frequent announcements of emoji and similar features... and it becomes a joke.
Want the meme to go away? All Apple has to do is announce and deliver on real features as frequently as the emoji.
CAUTION: I am in no way suggesting that emoji are not important (to someone)
Personally i really don't see why this is taking ages.... I can't see this a major issue..
Just convert to APFS on the flash part, and leave the spinning portion unaffected... The problem is probably because it works 'drive based' not partition based.
Apple made this,
I think it's probably good to just think "anything Apple hasan't done for a while will be phased out, even it they never said it"
I dunno why SSD wasn't the norm in iMacs from the beginning when all others went to SSD (except Mac mini)
Look at the problem they face now with iMac and Fusion as a result ? It gives then a reason to delay it.
If iMac's were all SSD's, like laptops, there would have been no problem
Just convert to APFS on the flash part, and leave the spinning portion unaffected... The problem is probably because it works 'drive based' not partition based.
Apple made this,
I think it's probably good to just think "anything Apple hasan't done for a while will be phased out, even it they never said it"
I dunno why SSD wasn't the norm in iMacs from the beginning when all others went to SSD (except Mac mini)
Look at the problem they face now with iMac and Fusion as a result ? It gives then a reason to delay it.
If iMac's were all SSD's, like laptops, there would have been no problem