CrossOver Allows x86 Windows Apps to Run on Apple M1 Macs

[pshufd]

I’ve built Windows 10 running on a Raspberry Pi 3 (ARM) - there is an active community there. As it is, i am already able to run some x86 programs on my Pi as Windows on ARM is already supporting x86 programs via emulation. There is report saying that it will soon run x64 programs.

Because of this, there is a possibility that maybe Boot Camp can be resurrected...?

you have the source code to Windows 10?

 

[tzevoon]

you have the source code to Windows 10?

No I don’t. I used the wim image files. Someone created a tool to flash this Windows wim image.

The following is quoted from the project website (https://www.worproject.ml/downloads)

Getting Windows images​

There is currently only one legal way of obtaining Windows 10 ARM64 images: download the UUP files directly from Microsoft servers, and build an ISO from them.

There are two websites that can do that for you: UUPDump or uup.rg-adguard.net

Full desktop builds of Windows 10 ARM32 are not available anywhere (except for a leak, but please read the warning below before going straight to Google).

You can get instead a version of the Windows Preinstallation Environment (WinPE) built for ARM32. A guide can be found here.

What about FFU images?​

FFU images can speed up the deployment process significantly, especially on slow devices. They are not available for download due to legal reasons, but you can safely generate them yourself: How to generate FFU images?

 

[pshufd]

No I don’t. I used the wim image files. Someone created a tool to flash this Windows wim image.

The following is quoted from the project website (https://www.worproject.ml/downloads)

Getting Windows images​

There is currently only one legal way of obtaining Windows 10 ARM64 images: download the UUP files directly from Microsoft servers, and build an ISO from them.

There are two websites that can do that for you: UUPDump or uup.rg-adguard.net

Full desktop builds of Windows 10 ARM32 are not available anywhere (except for a leak, but please read the warning below before going straight to Google).

You can get instead a version of the Windows Preinstallation Environment (WinPE) built for ARM32. A guide can be found here.

What about FFU images?​

FFU images can speed up the deployment process significantly, especially on slow devices. They are not available for download due to legal reasons, but you can safely generate them yourself: How to generate FFU images?

Sounds like you did an installation, not a build.

 

[tzevoon]

Sounds like you did an installation, not a build.

Lol. ya an installation.

 

[chucker23n1]

Sounds like you did an installation, not a build.

To be fair, while "build" suggests "compile", it doesn't necessarily have to mean that.

Those tools do generate a command-line script that in turn fetches multiple packages. So that is a step more complex than having one unified setup app.

 

[pshufd]

To be fair, while "build" suggests "compile", it doesn't necessarily have to mean that.

Those tools do generate a command-line script that in turn fetches multiple packages. So that is a step more complex than having one unified setup app.

We'd just call those directions.

You do something similar for creating an ISO from the macOS installers.

 

[mono1980]

Emulating Windows games will still be pretty iffy, but I'm way more interested in just being able to run other Windows software. Seems like the M1 (and future) Macs will be able to emulate Windows pretty effectively.

 

[DocNo]

Sounds like you did an installation, not a build.

I baked a cake yesterday from a recipe but I didn't mill the flour myself.

It was still delicious. And almost as satisfying as watching silly pedantic posts in these forums 🙃

 

[pshufd]

I baked a cake yesterday from a recipe but I didn't mill the flour myself.

It was still delicious. And almost as satisfying as watching silly pedantic posts in these forums 🙃

Engineers try to be exact in language as downsides are severe otherwise.

 

[DocNo]

Not even Intel itself could do (I’m thinking of Itanium).

If Intel had partnered with anyone other than HP Itanium might still be around.

I mean didn't anyone at Intel pay attention to how HP utterly squandered the Alpha?!?

 

[DocNo]

Engineers try to be exact in language as downsides are severe otherwise.

lol - sure thing. Ever hear of implied precision? Perfect example of it here.

Quality fart sniffing going on - it's how you know you have hit the big leagues 🤣

 

[DocNo]

Being a marginal player in computers (8% world wide market share?) Apple is mostly irrelevant and definitely not in a position to kill x86.

The iPhone dethroned Windows. Vaulted Apple past Microsoft in revenue and Market cap. All with their piddly market share in computers *and* phones.

Why people cling to market share like it has significant value still amazes me. I guess because a single number is simple and doesn't require nuance or understanding?

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

The iPhone dethroned Windows. Vaulted Apple past Microsoft in revenue and Market cap. All with their piddly market share in computers *and* phones.

Why people cling to market share like it has significant value still amazes me. I guess because a single number is simple and doesn't require nuance or understanding?

You where talking about pedantic posts earlier in this thread?

 

[Maximara]

The iPhone dethroned Windows. Vaulted Apple past Microsoft in revenue and Market cap. All with their piddly market share in computers *and* phones.

Why people cling to market share like it has significant value still amazes me. I guess because a single number is simple and doesn't require nuance or understanding?

Another thing is that marketshare in the PC world is due to inertia.

Furthermore the one thing people forget is the roughly ~25% in the mobile market Apple has. The M1 macs can run iOS apps out of the box (admittedly for some it is not run well) meaning you have what Microsoft tried (and failed) to do - the ability to easily and quickly do PC/Mobile cross programming.

Like it or not thanks to the mobile market the future is ARM not x86. The fact the x86 has to go to tower cards to say but we're cheaper shows the issue.

 

[pshufd]

Like it or not thanks to the mobile market the future is ARM not x86. The fact the x86 has to go to tower cards to say but we're cheaper shows the issue.

x86 is no longer cheaper on CPU right now.

I sometimes think about the possibility that I may never buy another x86 CPU or computer. Sure, the clouds I use run on x86 but I may never get a desktop or laptop with x86 again.

 

[powersteer]

I'm impressed with the M1 CPU and acknowledge that this is the way forward. But I need to run x86 virtual machines on my MBA for work and leisure.

Will be holding out till a reliable vendor is able to make this happen.

 

[hirjia]

I can confirm that Quicken 2020 works like a charm. After I downloaded the beta of Big Sur 11.1 last night, the installation was quick and it runs faster on my M1 MacBook Air than it did on my Ice Lake MacBook Pro.

Hello the quicken installation stalls for me when it loads .net framework 2.0. Can you pls let us know how you got quicken 2020 to install ?

 

[hirjia]

Not as far as I can tell. I've been using Crossover to run Quicken for Windows, and it works well on my M1 MacBook Air with the Big Sur beta.

Hello. When I try and install quicken 2020 it stalls at the .net framework 2.0. Can you pls tell us how you managed to install it ? Thanks

 

[Tech198]

This is great news! I'd bet CrossOver gets more love now that direct virtualization isn't possible—although who knows what Parallels et al. have cooking.

I thought that was always the case anyway, since Crossover is directly helping all forks of WINE project. (eg Wineskin/Porting Kit etc) which are all based on the source code...

The elimination of Intel and hello to M1, is just a "small shove out the door"

 

[KPOM]

Hello. When I try and install quicken 2020 it stalls at the .net framework 2.0. Can you pls tell us how you managed to install it ? Thanks

You need to have the beta of Big Sur 11.1 installed. That has some fixes for Rosetta. Otherwise it stalls when installing .Net 2.0.

 

[Ninja Dom]

I remember a long time ago, over 10 years ago, you could get stand-alone Windows games running through WINE on the Mac. Aspyr used to release games this way and I had COD Modern Warfare that way.

Does this method still exist?

 

[pshufd]

I remember a long time ago, over 10 years ago, you could get stand-alone Windows games running through WINE on the Mac. Aspyr used to release games this way and I had COD Modern Warfare that way.

Does this method still exist?

You can always try. It may or may not work. Or it may work 99% or something near that.

One thing about Crossover in times past - it was a nuisance to get rid of.

 

[tzevoon]

I remember a long time ago, over 10 years ago, you could get stand-alone Windows games running through WINE on the Mac. Aspyr used to release games this way and I had COD Modern Warfare that way.

Does this method still exist?

WINE doesn't seem to work in Catalina anymore even with Intel Macs.

 

[mattizzleSoda]

Apparently it is not all software emulation, there is some hardware acceleration on the M1 chip to allow this translation to be very fast.

All that software-level emulation and it still is playable. These chips must be damn good.

 

[Maximara]

Apparently it is not all software emulation, there is some hardware acceleration on the M1 chip to allow this translation to be very fast.

First I heard of this. IIUC the H. 264, 8-bit HEVC, and 10-bit HEVC hardware acceleration whoudl only help with visual not x86 code translation itself.