What do you think, can graphic performance be used for cryptomining? It should be powerful as dedicated graphics that are unavailable..
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Cryptocurrency mining on M1 Max
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I think you're better off with a dedicated GPU with mining, with MBPs you'll pay for many things that you'll never use during mining (case, ports, OS, thermal efficiency, battery, screen, etc).
With a dedicated GPU rig you'll be able to pay less and simply get more computing power.
With a dedicated GPU rig you'll be able to pay less and simply get more computing power.
Too expensive, it’d take too long to get a return on investment, and Mac laptops have a history of not having great thermals when pushed harder than they were designed for. Those dedicated GPUs *are* available for extra money, and three $1000 GPUs will easily outperform one $3000 M1 Max laptop.
No guys. I ordered M1 Max MacBook Pro for my master study and some usual work at home. To be honest I do not need the power. Nowdays I do not do anything graphic demanding but I was waiting soo long for some great Macbook Pro, so I want it and take it as future proof device.
So because I do not use so much power while browsing internet and I spent so much money for this device I am thinking to find another way how to use the power of M1Max. So mining is not why I bought it, but something what I could do with free remaining power. And I know that dedicated graphics are very hard to get and M1 Max should has the same power.. so that was the question
So because I do not use so much power while browsing internet and I spent so much money for this device I am thinking to find another way how to use the power of M1Max. So mining is not why I bought it, but something what I could do with free remaining power. And I know that dedicated graphics are very hard to get and M1 Max should has the same power.. so that was the question
You'll basically add wear and tear disproportionate to a meager return.
It's also going to eat up memory bandwidth. Which I'd expect to impact general performance of other software. Given that memory is shared.
If the M1 Max is able to achieve hash rate worthy of its memory bandwidth you are looking at potentially $1.2k per year to help pay for the cost of it. The M1 Max is a huge chip and it uses a wide memory bus so it is unlikely to have heat issues and heat is what causes wear and tear.
The issue would be how much the memory heats up. GPU mining doesn't work the GPU very hard but the VRAM gets maxed out. I'd rather the Macbook processor get stressed so the fan cranks up and cools the memory. On the Macbook it may not be a big deal. Since you aren't OC'ing the memory like a GPU miner would.
I was thinking of doing the same thing. I do decent enough on my PC, it basically pays my entire electric bill every month. I see so many posts saying no to mining on macbooks, no idea if it's people who know what they're talking about or not. I haven't seen anyone sharing how well it works for them, but pllenty of people saying laptops, and maybe especially MBP, aren't good enough at cooling to profit given wear and tear.
The question is, does the new Max chip and cooling system change that? It's a big risk I'm not sure I want to take. I mean, I want to, but I don't know if it's wise. Waiting for some others to try it first, unless someone can do the math for me on what would be expected in returns with an M1 Max.
The question is, does the new Max chip and cooling system change that? It's a big risk I'm not sure I want to take. I mean, I want to, but I don't know if it's wise. Waiting for some others to try it first, unless someone can do the math for me on what would be expected in returns with an M1 Max.
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I am sure people will test and report back on the temps. Chances are quite good that it should handle mining however. M1 Max is a large chip, large surface area for heat transfer. Shared memory is on-die so will be actively cooled. It also uses a wide memory bus (generally higher frequency = more heat, bus width offset the need for high freq). It's a SoC so it won't need to split its heat pipes, and because mining is GPU intensive, you basically have all the cooling capacity dedicated to cooling the GPU when mining.
This video gives some info. He had 2.2MH/s at 5watts, so it was profitable, but only like 15 cents/24hr.
He said base model M1. If the M1 Max with 32 core GPU is 3-4x faster, then maybe we see 50-60 cents/24hr? Maybe $200/year if mining 24/hr? Seems hard to justify it if that's right. Would take 5-10 years to offset the added cost, which, is maybe just another rationalization we could use haha.
From comments: In terms of hash rate it''s about 10 times slower than an RX 570.
For comparison here is how it compares to dedicated graphics cards -
M1 GPU - 2.2 Mh/s
AMD RX 570 - 22.5 Mh/s
RTX 2060 Super - 36 Mh/s
AMD RX 5700 XT - 50 Mh/s
AMD RX 6800 XT - 62 Mh/s
RTX 3090 - 105 Mh/s
Where the M1 GPU excels is in power efficiency - at 5 watts there's nothing else that comes close.
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You can't really compare the M1. The M1 is severely bandwidth limited and Eth mining is heavily dependent on the memory bandwidth. Most estimates have the Max at around 40Mhs. Anyway, we will find out soon enough.
Hmm, 40 would make a bump up for casual mining worth it imo. I can't find M1 bandwidth info, what's the comparison between the M1 and M1 Max?
Under a sustained all day load your laptop will be damaged. There is no doubt about that at all.
If you take your burned out laptop to Apple for a replacement they will look at the hardware logs and see what you did. They will tell you to go screw yourself.
Mining produces a multi country worth of energy and electronic hardware waste. You don’t see the effects because you only see the walls around you. You probably don’t live where the effects are, in poor countries where the e-waste is dumped or in the future where climate change has screwed your environment and blockchain becomes a tool for mass survellance (already is used by criminals and law enforcement as a spyware) and oppression.
All arguments against this are invalid and brainwashed. People see prospect of earning money and it makes them into a blind mad cult.
If you take your burned out laptop to Apple for a replacement they will look at the hardware logs and see what you did. They will tell you to go screw yourself.
Mining produces a multi country worth of energy and electronic hardware waste. You don’t see the effects because you only see the walls around you. You probably don’t live where the effects are, in poor countries where the e-waste is dumped or in the future where climate change has screwed your environment and blockchain becomes a tool for mass survellance (already is used by criminals and law enforcement as a spyware) and oppression.
All arguments against this are invalid and brainwashed. People see prospect of earning money and it makes them into a blind mad cult.
you should probably be writing to the ministry of capitalism, not a few individuals trying to see if they can break even on an upgrade.
Unfortunately, that's how it is to the man kind, for now.
And the only way to REALLY get away, probably disconnect and live in the nature.
The electricity ,device, internet you use to comment, they are energy consuming beast.
If M1 max efficiency to mining is actually great, perhaps its also a way to see as "environment friendly".
Soon no mining necessary
I'm sure you can run a validator no problem though, but you probably want something more permanent, that isn't designed to be travelled with.Yea as opposed to the super wealthy like your boy Tim Cook who make all their money off the rest of society. Putting blame on a small time miner for wanting to make a little money and probably willing to defend one human making 100 million in income in a year vs 100 million people starving to death staring at apple ewaste.
I said don’t bother replying because all the dumb theories, rage boys and financially illiterate Ponzi scheme excuses have been heard 10000000000 times before by ponzi spammers. Ya just sound sheep repeating it.
It’s not a sheep response. You’re making an appeal to environmental safety yet putting all the blame and enforcement to rectify it on one small person instead of the billionaires and governments who contribute vast amounts more to this problem than somebody wanting to mine with their m1max. You’re argument if it can even be called that is moot. So don’t bother replying all the dumb theories, rage boys and human suffering illiterate excuses have been heard 10000000000 times before by the selfish egomaniacs. You’ll just sound like a sheep.