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But then I have the Apple Watch so if I had the 4s still wouldn't that give me the Apple Pay there?

No, because Apple Watch requires iPhone 5 or newer. Who knows, maybe they'll require the 5s or newer for Apple Watch v2? They always find a way to cripple the older iterations if you want to take advantage of newer features.
 
maybe, maybe not. It really depends what is new on v2. I think resale value will change a lot of people's mind. They are going to be really hard to sell when a new variant comes out (they are hard to sell now)....especially if you consider people are going to want to keep their bands so will be just selling the watch with a stock band.
 
personally I'm planning on getting the new generation, whenever that is. that being said, I don't plan on upgrading for a while after the 2nd generation is released
 
Doubt it for me. I'd much rather upgrade iPhone's every year. For the watch, I'd upgrade every two years, depending on what new design/features are included with the new models.
 
Not on topic completely, but you'll find a lot of people will jump on v2 as they never touch v1 of anything. I was one of those, though until the watch came out!
 
No, that's ridiculous. It came out in April. This is slightly more than FOUR months later., with a max of 5 or 6. Absurd to upgrade if a new one comes out this fall. If we are talking about next year, maybe.
 
No, that's ridiculous. It came out in April. This is slightly more than FOUR months later., with a max of 5 or 6. Absurd to upgrade if a new one comes out this fall. If we are talking about next year, maybe.
Heh did you have an ipad3 :)
 
Dooooo iiiitttt. You know you want iiiiiiitttttt. ;)

Seriously, not sure about whether Apple would add GPS next gen, but I sure want it. And I would love for the watch to get thinner, because I'm a small woman, and even the 38 is a bit big for me. FaceTime camera is about the only thing I'm not interested in, because trying to hold my arm at an ange where the camera is not showing my nose hair would get tiring very quickly. All other things would be incremental upgrades, but taken together would be a nice upgrade package. Then Apple always manages to throw in one more thing that I haven't thought of but when I hear it, I want it. I keep on telling myself that this year I wouldn't upgrade my iPhone and iPad, then end up doing it every year. I expect the watch to be no different. :p

That said, if you get the watch now, you'll get a solid year's worth of enjoyment out of it. So if you like playing with new gadgets, and the price of the watch isn't going to eat a hole in your budget, by all means, you should go for it.

You sold me on the last two lines. Between that and looking at the other posts on here I'm fairly certain I won't be too jealous come next year as I also hold off on upgrading my phone for at least two years at a time. Just put in my order for a 42mm space gray sport! :D
 
You sold me on the last two lines. Between that and looking at the other posts on here I'm fairly certain I won't be too jealous come next year as I also hold off on upgrading my phone for at least two years at a time. Just put in my order for a 42mm space gray sport! :D

Cool! Let us know how you like it. :)
 
You'll have to excuse me if these were discussed before…

AW upgrades?

CPU: what for? To play games with a billion polygons while roasting the battery? Not necessary.

Battery: Would be nice. A different battery tech allowing super-quick charging and greater storage capacity in the same size would be a real breakthrough.

Screen: pixel density is fine. Brightness could be better. But, changes to both would probably require more power. If reflectance can be improved without a coating, they'd have a winner.

Camera: No. Dumb idea. Privacy concerns make it socially awkward (see Samsung's stalker-ish ad for its Gear camera). It takes up space, unless they use a tiny module that sacrifices other features. The screen is too small to clearly see what you're shooting (is the shot blurry?). You can't edit the shot on the watch, so you'll need the phone. Sharing the pic from the watch would be a pain in the ass, so you'd need the phone.

Sensors: what do you think you need? There's already a multi-axis accelerometer and optical HR. Is there a non-invasive way to measure blood glucose? Should it measure HR via electrical impulses even though it's nowhere near the heart? How much more battery power will additional sensors require?

GPS: Meh. Eats battery, not good for much besides boasting. IMO.

Strap connection: No. Keep it the same. Compared with what the rest of the watch world does, it's fantastic.

Cellular radio: Big sticking point. Okay, say you want it. Add the radio chips and antenna. It needs another phone number (cellular iPads have their own numbers, too, remember?) and a phone bill. It needs more battery power. If you're out and about without your phone, how will you add things like contact info, or follow email links? Some things are just done better on a larger device, so you're going to have your phone with you anyway.

So, what part of the hardware really needs an "upgrade"?
I completely agree with you. Everything you've mentioned as well as what others have mentioned would essentially turn it into another iPhone. It is and was designed to be a watch not an iPhone replacement.

I can see in the future ( I read a lot of scifi ) that wrist/forearm embedded technology will replace cell phones but I think I'll be in a nursing home or grave by then.

So right now hardware upgrades just aren't that relevant aside from improved battery technology. Software both from the paired phone as well as on the device itself is far more important and I wouldn't be replacing mine until it was no longer capable of running the current software, if that software offered me something I really wanted. So my 5 year time frame seems about right. At least for me.
 
I can see in the future ( I read a lot of scifi ) that wrist/forearm embedded technology will replace cell phones but I think I'll be in a nursing home or grave by then.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm thinking the smart watch will replace cell phones in 10-15 years. Are you thinking it will take longer than that?
 
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Would have to be some very special new features. Longer battery life doesn't mean jack to me as I am going to place on the charger nightly. GPS doesn't mean that much to me. More use without the phone might be enough even though it can do a lot with the phone already. Wouldn't want too much freedom of it means another $10+ per month.
 
I don't know how old you are, but I'm thinking the smart watch will replace cell phones in 10-15 years. Are you thinking it will take longer than that?
I agree that some type of wearable or embedded device will replace cell phones. !5 years? maybe. That puts me at 80, so who knows where I'll be:)
 
I agree that some type of wearable or embedded device will replace cell phones. !5 years? maybe. That puts me at 80, so who knows where I'll be:)

Ah, ok. So we are thinking similar time frame, but you are closer to retirement than I am, ;)

Personally, I'm looking forward to ditching my phone. For instance, if I'm going out to lunch during work, I don't like having to put my phone into my pocket so I can be reached if someone needs me.
 
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I don't see wearables replacing phones in the US as a communication device. I may use my Apple Watch and Siri to dictate messages or for phone calls at home, but when I'm in public I use my iPhone for calls with its keyboard for messages. First, because Siri is much, much less accurate when in a loud public environment. Second, because it's just awkward, and third because it's also rude, it's like using speakerphone in public.
 
Or use a bluetooth headset. But then we're back to carrying two devices that both need to be charged.

How does a headset help a public phone conversation be less rude? To me, the annoyance factor is about the same whether I'm hearing both sides of a conversation or just one.
 
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The bluetooth headset is kinda irrelevant, people don't talk on the phone much anymore. Part of the reason texting become so popular is because it is inconspicuous compared to talking on the phone (or to Siri).

I understand in other countries (I've read China and Argentina) sending voice messages is popular, but it is not common at all in the US and I feel there is significant cultural inertia to overcome before it could become acceptable. Even with the Apple Watch, it is still Siri voice dictation to text and not voice recordings that are being sent.
 
I use the phone on my watch just often enough to ALMOST wish for it to have an independent cellular radio. But it's not an upgrade I think we as a family would really try to accommodate into the budget.

I think the battery life is amazing. I can get two days on a charge on days I'm not getting many calls or texts or doing fitness monitoring. It charges very fast.

The only thing missing for me is the ability to swim in it. Theoretically I could ignore the warnings as others have done and just do it. But I can't bring myself to do that. The incentive for me to upgrade will come in the area of increased health and fitness sensors and full waterproofing.

Really, though, I prioritize iPhone upgrades above all other device upgrades in order to always have the best camera. When money is tight, there's no way I'm upgrading the watch, and I'm coming up on times when money will be tight.

I normally would hang onto my IPad retina mini, but increasingly it is struggling on the 1GB of RAM. Even so, I'm not sure I can afford to upgrade it this year. Various household appliances and items need replacing this year and can't be put off any more.
 
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