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aibo82

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I am stuck in a predicament now after todays keynote, I have been waiting it out with my MacBook 2012 retina to finally see the 2019 16 inch come out with the new keyboard, then it was ruined with the poor screen and thought ok ill go for the new 2020 13'

now a dead platform as big slur is the beginning of the nail in the coffin of intel cpus and makes buying the new 2020 a hard decision as support possibly will be now dropped quicker with it running intel!

what would you recommend doing?

I feel like my MacBook Pro 2012 is ending its useful life and have little wiggle room again, I have waited out this upgrade since the butterfly horror!

Time to leave apple?
 

Chompineer

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Well...

I am stuck in a predicament now after todays keynote, I have been waiting it out with my MacBook 2012 retina to finally see the 2019 16 inch come out with the new keyboard, then it was ruined with the poor screen and thought ok ill go for the new 2020 13'

now a dead platform as big slur is the beginning of the nail in the coffin of intel cpus and makes buying the new 2020 a hard decision as support possibly will be now dropped quicker with it running intel!

what would you recommend doing?

I feel like my MacBook Pro 2012 is ending its useful life and have little wiggle room again, I have waited out this upgrade since the butterfly horror!

Time to leave apple?

It's ruined? Man, first time anyone is telling me of this... Better sell my 16" lol
 
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JPack

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The advice for the past few months has been to buy what you need for the next 1-2 years only.

Buy the base model if possible. Don't buy the 16GB or quad-core if you don't need it today.
 
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aibo82

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It's ruined? Man, first time anyone is telling me of this... Better sell my 16" lol
I was referring to the extremely poor response times and smearing of the LCD panel that there’s a huge thread on! Don’t fill me with confidence buying one
 
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joseph.s.jones

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I was referring to the extremely poor response times and smearing of the LCD panel that there’s a huge thread on! Don’t fill me with confidence buying one
I also would prefer a faster response time display and am in no means trying to excuse Apple but try not to get too hung up on it. The new Dell XPS 17 has the same response time display (I asked Dell directly as the spec isn’t listed). If you can get to an Apple store I’d suggest going to see if it’s acceptable first hand. That’s my plan at least.
 
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jerryk

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Really happy with my 16" and 2020 13". But in 2-3 years I will probably upgrade them to new A series units. Until then I expect them to continue to providing me good service.
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I was referring to the extremely poor response times and smearing of the LCD panel that there’s a huge thread on! Don’t fill me with confidence buying one

Do you normally try to read text while scrolling quickly? I don't and have never had an issue with the my 16".
 
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ian87w

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Well...

I am stuck in a predicament now after todays keynote, I have been waiting it out with my MacBook 2012 retina to finally see the 2019 16 inch come out with the new keyboard, then it was ruined with the poor screen and thought ok ill go for the new 2020 13'

now a dead platform as big slur is the beginning of the nail in the coffin of intel cpus and makes buying the new 2020 a hard decision as support possibly will be now dropped quicker with it running intel!

what would you recommend doing?

I feel like my MacBook Pro 2012 is ending its useful life and have little wiggle room again, I have waited out this upgrade since the butterfly horror!

Time to leave apple?
It all boils down to what kind of apps you use.
I'm guessing you don't use Mac specific apps, nor utilize the ecosystem much. Todays' Windows premium laptops are really nice and great.

But if I were you, I would wait till 2021 to see how the ARM Macs perform.
 
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Chompineer

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I was referring to the extremely poor response times and smearing of the LCD panel that there’s a huge thread on! Don’t fill me with confidence buying one

I don't notice any of these things personally, and I also have a 144hz 1440p monitor in the room, and my iPad Pro at 120hz.
 
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CylonGlitch

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Time to stop waiting for the 2020 Macbook Pro 16". I suspect there will not be any more significant Macbook upgrades until the ARM variants are released. Go pickup a 16" on sale now and enjoy it for the next 5+ years!

This is sort of my feeling as well. My son is going off to college in August for audio engineering and the MacBookPro is really the desired machine (they use LogicPro for a lot of things). So I'm thinking of getting him the current 16" right now and then when he graduates he can upgrade to the ARM based systems where all of the growing pains will have been worked out. Just wondering if they will offer a delta upgrade in the next few weeks, if so I might wait.
 
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Chompineer

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This is sort of my feeling as well. My son is going off to college in August for audio engineering and the MacBookPro is really the desired machine (they use LogicPro for a lot of things). So I'm thinking of getting him the current 16" right now and then when he graduates he can upgrade to the ARM based systems where all of the growing pains will have been worked out. Just wondering if they will offer a delta upgrade in the next few weeks, if so I might wait.

I think the delta was the 5600m being offered last week. I doubt there will be a redesign for 10th gen (too little performance increase for too much engineering work, new chipset, new socket). 11th gen is too early to really say, but I also doubt it.
 
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CylonGlitch

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I think the delta was the 5600m being offered last week. I doubt there will be a redesign for 10th gen (too little performance increase for too much engineering work, new chipset, new socket). 11th gen is too early to really say, but I also doubt it.

Kind of my thought as well. Besides with the virus keeping people at home, I bet that the amount of engineering is down, so they will milk the current products as long as possible until the ARM processor based systems are ready to roll.

I guess we just talked myself into it. The only other question would be is if he prefers to get the 13" instead of the 16" (a lot cheaper for me). But I could see wanting a smaller / lighter machine.
 
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Chompineer

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Kind of my thought as well. Besides with the virus keeping people at home, I bet that the amount of engineering is down, so they will milk the current products as long as possible until the ARM processor based systems are ready to roll.

I guess we just talked myself into it. The only other question would be is if he prefers to get the 13" instead of the 16" (a lot cheaper for me). But I could see wanting a smaller / lighter machine.

I'd go for the base 16". You're barely spending any more than a 10th gen 13" (especially if you buy a refurbished 16"), yet you gain a dedicated GPU and a much more powerful processor. The microphones and speakers on the 16" are also far superior.

The 16" is already a fairly small/light machine (at least to me, I remember having a 17" MBP unibody...).
 
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CalMin

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I think the delta was the 5600m being offered last week. I doubt there will be a redesign for 10th gen (too little performance increase for too much engineering work, new chipset, new socket). 11th gen is too early to really say, but I also doubt it.

I agree we're unlikely to see 11th gen. Heck even 10th may not happen because, well, why should Apple dedicate hardware engineering resources to it when 9th gen works superbly with today's software and ARM is officially on the way?
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OP - it seems like you buy and hold your computers for several years. You're in a tough spot if your 2012 dies, but why not keep it running until Rev B. ARM-based Macs come out? If it does crap out, then pick up something used to get by until you're ready to but an ARM Mac.
 
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Chompineer

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I agree we're unlikely to see 11th gen. Heck even 10th may not happen because, well, why should Apple dedicate hardware engineering resources to it when 9th gen works superbly with today's software and ARM is officially on the way?

The 10th gen H chips also offer no real improvements over 8th or 9th H. Sure, you get a few hundred Mhz higher single core boost, but otherwise it's the same 14nm design really.

11th gen will either be 10nm H or big.little chiplet layout, so there would be some good improvements there at least. Just too late.

For all we know Apple won't switch top end machines to ARM for two years yet, hard time to really say anything.
 
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Tekguy0

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I think it will take a while for top end machines like the Mac Pro to fully transition, and its not like they will lose speed when the transition is complete. 2012 models just lost a ton of value though.
 
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CylonGlitch

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I'd go for the base 16". You're barely spending any more than a 10th gen 13" (especially if you buy a refurbished 16"), yet you gain a dedicated GPU and a much more powerful processor. The microphones and speakers on the 16" are also far superior.

The 16" is already a fairly small/light machine (at least to me, I remember having a 17" MBP unibody...).

I pulled the trigger and ordered it. There is a two week shipping delay but, as long as he gets it before August that's fine. Education discount wasn't huge but better than I get through my company. Plus he then gets the pro apps (he needs Logic Pro) for $199 for all apps; and Air Pod Pros ($99). So all positive things. I did tack on Apple Care+ for it, $300 seemed like a wise decision for a college student.
 
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nfl46

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Live in the moment and get what you need now. If you really have regrets in the future, sell the Mid-2020 MBP and purchase the Late 2020/Early 2021 ARM version.
 
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AmazinApple

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Hold off if you can. After all they said they'd be shipping Macs with Apple chips later this year. I really think this has the potential to push the Macintosh and eventually the whole industry forward. After nearly a decade of stagnation in the personal computer industry this is the first thing I've seen that has potential to really shake things up. We'll see what happens but it should be interesting.
 
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dagmar10

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Live in the moment and get what you need now. If you really have regrets in the future, sell the Mid-2020 MBP and purchase the Late 2020/Early 2021 ARM version.

A lot of people speculating that the 2020 MBP will rise in value. Will being able to Bootcamp really keep the value of these machines relatively high for 2 to 3 years?

This is all I'm concerned about if I want to purchase a 2020 MBP is the resale value in 2 to 3 years. I don't want to purchase a machine that will plummet in value because 3rd party devs drop Intel Macs in 2 to 3 years.

It's very important for me to always get a decent chunk of change for my devices whenever I upgrade. Others might call this "future proofing", but, to me, it's simply getting the most money back when it's time to sell the item.
 
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joseph.s.jones

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It’s impossible to tell really. It’s likely that the average Mac consumer isn’t interested in boot camp so the intel MacBooks will probably lose a lot of their second hand value in 1-2 years. More important than that though is how much you want/need windows virtualisation or boot camp. If you do need it then I’d consider buying an intel MacBook now. I think I probably will, they’re not less powerful since the keynote presentation.
 
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magbarn

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One thing for sure is that the awesome resale values on Intel MacBooks is NOT going to follow the previous gen. Really wish I could return my 2020 mbp 13 as it will likely be the first to be replaced.
Also, just like the last transition, 3rd party devs quickly abandoned PPC app development and only really did bug fixes after just a year or so.
 
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