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Dead? LOL. Tell me, how is an intel Mac dead the minute an ARM Mac hits the market? And do you think Apple is just going to walk away from their intel-based Macs? No way. They'll support them for years to come. As long as my intel-based Mac still boots and runs all the software that I use, it's alive and kicking and I'll keep using it!!
 
I'm in a deep state of contemplation over this. My 2012 is now a lame duck with the loss of the OS update. I have a couple games I like to play on Steam, they support macOS but play much better on Windows so I have Bootcamp set up for those. I have to decide if I want to wait for ARM and abandon those games on Steam or if I want to get a 2019 (or are they now 2020 with the new GPU?) 16" now and continue using Bootcamp for those games for the next few years.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure the 2019/2020 MBPs will last as long as my 2012 has.
 
I'm in a deep state of contemplation over this. My 2012 is now a lame duck with the loss of the OS update. I have a couple games I like to play on Steam, they support macOS but play much better on Windows so I have Bootcamp set up for those. I have to decide if I want to wait for ARM and abandon those games on Steam or if I want to get a 2019 (or are they now 2020 with the new GPU?) 16" now and continue using Bootcamp for those games for the next few years.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure the 2019/2020 MBPs will last as long as my 2012 has.
You got 7 years of macOS updates on your 2012. We’ll be lucky if we get 5 years. Any intel Mac at this point is a poor investment unless you really need to run bootcamp or VM’s
Really high end models like mbp 16 with 5600M especially.
 
I had been planning to buy a new laptop to replace my MBA. I tend to use my laptop for writing and other basic stuff, so I generally get 7-8 years out of them. Given that the last transition was supported for about 5 years, I see no reason to buy one now until the ARM models come out. Whatever I buy today will be a Windows machine within five years, and I don't need one of those.

If I had just purchased a Mac Pro, I'd probably be annoyed, but in general those are used by professionals who likely depreciate them and write them off within five years anyway, so maybe it wouldn't matter. I'm a little sorry I bought a Mini last year, but I guess if I get six years out of it it'll be okay. If Apple cuts off support for Intel chips in three, that'll suck, because I run Logic on the Mini.
 
I was referring to the extremely poor response times and smearing of the LCD panel that there’s a huge thread on! Don’t fill me with confidence buying one

stop reading the complainers and go find out for yourself. The vast majority of us that actually own the 16 inch dont share those views
 
Really high end models like mbp 16 with 5600M especially.
Except it was said that there are new Intel models still in the pipeline and I could still see there being a phased approach with the higher end models being the last to get the new chips. Yes, I'm sure the Mac Pro will be 2 years out, but the 16" is probably somewhere later in the timeline and I'm going to be replacing my Mac later this year.
 
Not dead but I think a lot of hesitation will come for new buyers. I am considering a 16” with the latest GPU but after the PS|LR|FCP demo, I am reconsidering it and waiting for the new silicon chips. I love the performance gains and integration with Adobe. Sure, I should be a bit skeptical but I was pleasantly surprised by the keynote.
 
Except it was said that there are new Intel models still in the pipeline and I could still see there being a phased approach with the higher end models being the last to get the new chips. Yes, I'm sure the Mac Pro will be 2 years out, but the 16" is probably somewhere later in the timeline and I'm going to be replacing my Mac later this year.
That’s marketing speak for “please continue to buy our macOS machines while we make this transition.” Those poor saps who bought loaded G5 Mac pros probably didn’t feel so good with their purchases when Intel transition was announced. Buying a new loaded Intel Mac today is a huge waste of money unless you absolutely plan on never upgrading your current macOS apps going forward. (Using boot camp full time is also poor on a MacBook Pro 16 unless someone finds a way to make them run better such as allowing graphics switching while in Windows 10)

Why do you need to wait for the ARM MBP 16? If you read the hype right now in these forums, the ARM MBP 13 will slay the 8 core MBP 16 and allow to play Doom Eternal at 4K with all the eye candy
 
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I got a decision to make as well. With a Apple friends/family discount I can get a refurb 16” for 38% off (compared to new, not off the already discounted 15% refurb) and no tax shipped to De. Crazy good deal, but I 100% will be upgrading to mini led and arm. With that kind of discount I shouldn’t expect too much of a resale hit if any in 1-2 yrs right?

looking at the 2.4/2Tb/64gb/5500m
 
Using boot camp full time is also poor on a MacBook Pro 16

I use it for 1-2 hours a couple nights a week. The games are some time wasters that I can easily play while paying attention to the TV also. But even though that's all they are, the performance of them on Macs is poor enough that I set up BootCamp to play them.
 
One thing for sure is that the awesome resale values on Intel MacBooks is NOT going to follow the previous gen. Really wish I could return my 2020 mbp 13 as it will likely be the first to be replaced.
Also, just like the last transition, 3rd party devs quickly abandoned PPC app development and only really did bug fixes after just a year or so.
I think this scenario is different. So many people have intel CPUs, they also likely develop x86 versions of their apps anyway unless it’s a Mac only app. Even if it is, the universal tool that they showed today means that it’s basically just a tick box to make newly developed apps/updates work on both CPUs.
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I use it for 1-2 hours a couple nights a week. The games are some time wasters that I can easily play while paying attention to the TV also. But even though that's all they are, the performance of them on Macs is poor enough that I set up BootCamp to play them.
Have you considered trying the games in Parallels rather than boot camp? It’s a side note because you’d still most likely need an intel Mac to do this in future, but Parallels 15 has made some good developments and on some games (especially non AAA games) the performance loss can be very minimal vs boot camp. It would save you having to restart to play and it would likely save you a chunk of SSD space. This is a comparison with the previous version of parallels:
 
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Dead? LOL. Tell me, how is an intel Mac dead the minute an ARM Mac hits the market? And do you think Apple is just going to walk away from their intel-based Macs? No way. They'll support them for years to come. As long as my intel-based Mac still boots and runs all the software that I use, it's alive and kicking and I'll keep using it!!
The mac is dead because the long-term support for intel is gone. There is no future for intel on mac platforms and hence it would be insane to purchase an intel-based mac if you don't really need to. I'm using both mac and windows laptops and the programs I use can be found on both, so I'm switching over to a macbook-like windows laptop. There is no reason to stay.
 
If you care about running Bootcamp on your Mac, yes, it’s probably time to leave. For all other users, the transition to ARM is most likely to bring significant performance and stability improvements.
 
I don't believe it is time to leave Apple because of Bootcamp. Microsoft itself released a ARM-Based Surface, so i think, there is a good chance to run Windows 10 native on the Apple ARM Computers.

On the other hand... i just bought a new computer, well a new Mainboard, CPU and Ram. Now i have the Computing-power of a MacPro 7.1 8 core and only paid around 480€, going to upgrade it to 12 or 16 cores next month maybe.

I like the Apple Operating System, used it since 2003 side by side with Windows. And it is fascinating to see Windows 10 running on a "vintage" Apple computer. Windows 10 runs fine on like 2008 iMac's, but new macOS - no way.

Apple hardware, especially the cooling of the "small" computer like the Mini and Laptops is so bad and causing trouble all the way since years. Maybe the ARM - which runs cooler - could be an improvement.
 
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I’m so glad I didn’t buy a current MacBook and went with a iPad Pro. I know some people are fine but my mind just cant take it. Ios apps on a MacBook is going to be pretty cool.
 
Time to leave apple?
I think you'd probably need more reason that Apple moving away from Intel to leave the Apple ecosystem. The fact that Apple goes to the length of creating custom SoCs for Mac shows that they are committed to the Mac as a platform and to developers (which they affirmed in 2017), but driving it towards a vision that perhaps not to everyone's liking.

p/s: Having said that, I have bought an almost fully spec'd 16" just earlier this year, so I feel the pain :(
 
No regrets on my new 16" I picked up last weekend (still returnable). I keep my machines about 3 years before passing them along to other family members or selling on eBay.

Tim
 
No regrets on my new 16" I picked up last weekend (still returnable). I keep my machines about 3 years before passing them along to other family members or selling on eBay.

Tim

Reselling a 2020/2019 MBP in 3 years is what I'm trying to figure out. Will the resale prices hold, go up or plummet? I do not want to purchase a 2020/2019 MBP if the used/second hand prices plummet in a few months/years.

Do people foresee these Inter Mac machines holding same, higher or lower resale values going forward?
 
Reselling a 2020/2019 MBP in 3 years is what I'm trying to figure out. Will the resale prices hold, go up or plummet? I do not want to purchase a 2020/2019 MBP if the used/second hand prices plummet in a few months/years.

Do people foresee these Inter Mac machines holding same, higher or lower resale values going forward?

Who knows, but what I do know is I will enjoy using this machine in the meantime.

Tim
 
My two sense. But coming from a 2019-2020 16 in MBP with 32gb because I have to have a VM, I would think there are people out there like me who need Windows platform and are going to hold onto my MBP. I think they will hold their value IF Apple truly does away with Window option.
Does Apple realize how many of us out here that has to have both and am not going to buy two computers? If they are smart they will make away. If not then my machine will definitely hold it value and be sought after.
I know the company Parallels are holding their breath because it is slowly killing a company which I hate to see. Surprise.... there are programs that only work on Windows and that is not going to change. I hope they don’t make us have to pick because I have no choice in the matter if it comes to that. Surely Apple knows their market and not squeezing corporate people out on buying their PRO Computers.
 
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I don't think we should discount the number of developers already developing for ARM, albeit for the iPad. Then there's the ARM based Surface. Sure there are some applications/packages that are hardcore Windows, but OS is becoming less and less of a factor.

These days software developers re expected to deliver a consistent experience across multiple platforms including Windows, Mac, IOS, ChromeOS, or Android. Look what MS has achieved with M365 for example.

Multi-platform support has also led to the widespread adoption of cloud and browser based apps. It's a very different time than it was the last time there was a processor transition. "Windows Product 2002" is either going to evolve, or it will be replaced by something else.

Tim
 
ARM is for casual users, Intel macs will still be required for at least 4-5 years for numerous professional applications and niche workflows, and macs that support 10.14.6 even moreso because they are the last ones to run 32bit apps

Lots of companies run macOS and have very expensive old or custom software that is 32bit only or will probably never be recompiled for ARM unless they spend $$$$ to upgrade to a new version and that's not happening
 
For me it more like time to come back... I had 4 MacBooks including 2 MacBooks 12 and I want Apple to bring back the ultraportable.
 
Hi OP - maybe consider getting a base i3 MBA next time that $899 deal pops up. That should more than meet your needs if a 12inch Macbook is now. Then you can likely sell it for at least 50% to reinvest in an ARM model if you want one.
 
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