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if you go self build you usually get a better warrenty than buying a computer, for instence a intel processor has a lifetime warrenty as do a lot of graphics cards, gigabyte motherboards have a 3-5 year warrenty and some come with all solid state capasitors, and seagate provide 5 year warrentys also. this beats the apple 1 year warrenty hands down.

There's a big difference between warranty and support. The problems with a self built computer isn't the warranty, its the support. With certain errors its a nightmare to resolve, one part of your computer might be faulty but you may not be able to work out what it is for ages.
 
There's a big difference between warranty and support. The problems with a self built computer isn't the warranty, its the support. With certain errors its a nightmare to resolve, one part of your computer might be faulty but you may not be able to work out what it is for ages.
you must not be very good with computers, if something is wrong the monther board buzzess a searous of commands at you witch are refrenced in the manual. they tell you if the ram is faulty or the graphics card is faulty and such its not hard at all, and msi motherboards have a combanation of lights to indecate were the fault is.
 
Any reason why you have to build your own? Sure, it could probably be fun, for a while...

Mac's look stunning, and run OS X. They can run Windows too, should you need it. Maybe you should direct your PC-building energies at switching to Mac instead?

I know, I love the design of the Mac's, but I am in college, a film student, so I need a great system to run video editing and graphics programs but I need to spend alot less than what a MacPro would cost me - $2500 vs. self built PC for $1200 (with monitor). I am thinking that the MacBook Pro 2.16 GHz model (student price) for $1799 looks good, should run FCP smoothly.

There's a big difference between warranty and support. The problems with a self built computer isn't the warranty, its the support. With certain errors its a nightmare to resolve, one part of your computer might be faulty but you may not be able to work out what it is for ages.

As I was looking around almost all the hardware was equipped with a 3-5 year if not lifetime warranty, you can normally tell what is wrong by the symptons of the malfuction, then you just get the hardware seviced, on top of that, you have amazing freedom to upgrade whenever you like, need a better processor - get it, additional hard drive - no problem, more ram - done, I love the freedom and control you get with the self-built machine, but I guess we'll see how much I love it when I put it together, Stay dedicated is the main thing.

logansosa, first of all you've forgotten RAM in your specifications. Add a gig of RAM and you're basically in iMac territory. Although the 17" 2.0Ghz model is a couple of hundred bucks more, you do get a mouse, keyboard and screen. In my experience building computers is too much of a hassle these days. I always used to build my own but I feel that these days technology just moves too damned quickly for everything to get along smoothly. I don't plan on building a computer for myself ever again. Pre-built and with full support all the way!

I've also done the whole install OS X on a PC thing before, way back before official Intel machines came out. While I don't condone it, I'm all for people giving it a try if it convinces them to buy Apple hardware. About a month after I installed it on my custom built machine I'd bought a Mac Mini, a few months later I'd bought an iBook for my girlfriend and myself and a few months after that I bought a Mac Pro + ACD. While the hassles of installing OS X on an unsupported machine and all the driver problems meant I wasn't happy using it as my main OS, it did convince me that OS X was the way to go and I decided to get rid of all my old PC hardware.
If someone that's already got a machine installs OS X on their machine and that then convinces them to switch to OS X then I'm all for that. If people are specifically speccing out new machines in order to install OS X on them then I'm *very* much against it.


After 2 Gig of ram for $79.99 the Total comes out to $950, then add on $300 for a Samsung Sync Master 226 Black 22" LCD, you have $1,250, for an amzingly fast machine that would even beat an Imac, granted the Imac looks cooler but after the warranty and tax, I'm looking at around $2,400 for the 24 inch 2.16 Ghz with 2 Gb and GeForce 7600 with 256 MB and 250 G hardrive, that is just way too much for me, I am a college student, not going to happen.
 
Even I had a phase of building my own PCs. It actually was really fun... until you finished. Then it was the same as using any other boring ugly PC.

Waste of time and effort, and not a dime cheaper in my experience.

The insides of this Mac Pro are way more interesting to look at than my PCs were to build. The engineering is amazing - only Apple could do that.

Anyways, putting Mac OS X on a PC doesn't make it a Mac. It just makes it a PC running Mac OS X.
 
After 2 Gig of ram for $79.99 the Total comes out to $950, then add on $300 for a Samsung Sync Master 226 Black 22" LCD, you have $1,250, for an amzingly fast machine that would even beat an Imac, granted the Imac looks cooler but after the warranty and tax, I'm looking at around $2,400 for the 24 inch 2.16 Ghz with 2 Gb and GeForce 7600 with 256 MB and 250 G hardrive, that is just way too much for me, I am a college student, not going to happen.

While that's very true, it can't run OS X without breaking the law which means it can't run FCP without breaking the law. So you'll either be having to buy Adobe Premier or something like Avid for the Windows side.

I think your consideration of buying a MBP is spot on and will be perfect for your needs though, especially if you're a student. You'll probably want to wait until after WWDC though as updates are supposed to be imminent.

btw, babyjenniferlb, please do not insult me. I am 'good' with computers and have even built phase change cooled machines before. Some hardware problems are difficult to pin down quickly particularly certain mainboard/cpu problems and the little lit up LEDs you mention don't always give enough information. Building and maintaining a custom machine is just not worth the time and effort imo. I don't have the time and the patience for that stuff anymore and have grown out of it.
 
After 2 Gig of ram for $79.99 the Total comes out to $950, then add on $300 for a Samsung Sync Master 226 Black 22" LCD, you have $1,250, for an amzingly fast machine that would even beat an Imac, granted the Imac looks cooler but after the warranty and tax, I'm looking at around $2,400 for the 24 inch 2.16 Ghz with 2 Gb and GeForce 7600 with 256 MB and 250 G hardrive, that is just way too much for me, I am a college student, not going to happen.

Add Windows at $189 - $315 depending on version...
 
Add Windows at $189 - $315 depending on version...

Already own XP and Vista,

While that's very true, it can't run OS X without breaking the law which means it can't run FCP without breaking the law. So you'll either be having to buy Adobe Premier or something like Avid for the Windows side.

I think your consideration of buying a MBP is spot on and will be perfect for your needs though, especially if you're a student. You'll probably want to wait until after WWDC though as updates are supposed to be imminent.

btw, babyjenniferlb, please do not insult me. I am 'good' with computers and have even built phase change cooled machines before. Some hardware problems are difficult to pin down quickly particularly certain mainboard/cpu problems and the little lit up LEDs you mention don't always give enough information. Building and maintaining a custom machine is just not worth the time and effort imo. I don't have the time and the patience for that stuff anymore and have grown out of it.

When all the smoke clears, I will come back to realization that I do need to run FCP more than anything else, so the MacBook Pro is a decent price, hassle free, and legal. Is upgrading the harddrive easy on a Mac? I would suppose just swapping out hard drives then running system restore on the new one, maybe I'll get a 250 Gb harddrive, that beats 120Gb, what else could I upgrade on the MacBook Pro, besides the Ram?
 
Already own XP and Vista,

Uninstalled on any other machine, that is?

maybe I'll get a 250 Gb harddrive, that beats 120Gb, what else could I upgrade on the MacBook Pro, besides the Ram?

Ah, that's better :) the hard drive inside the MacBook Pro is limited to a 2.5" SATA drive, so there are no internal 250 Gb available for it. However, after maxing the RAM (2 Gb modules are getting nicely cheap now) the very next thing you should do is get a Firewire 800/400 case and put in a nice big PATA (IDE) 3.5" 7200 RPM drive with a 16 Mb cache. If you really want to spash out, get a Sonnet or Firmtek eSATA card for the expresscard slot, and a multibay eSATA enclosure.
 
No, retail versions.

Uninstalled on any other machine, that is?

No, both retail versions, well more like cracked versions, but I haven't ever used them, if I were to custom build, I would install one of them.
 
Uninstalled on any other machine, that is?



Ah, that's better :) the hard drive inside the MacBook Pro is limited to a 2.5" SATA drive, so there are no internal 250 Gb available for it. However, after maxing the RAM (2 Gb modules are getting nicely cheap now) the very next thing you should do is get a Firewire 800/400 case and put in a nice big SATA 3.5" 7200 RPM drive with a 16 Mb cache. If you really want to spash out, get a Sonnet or Firmtek eSATA card for the expresscard slot, and a multibay eSATA enclosure.


Emm there are 2.5 inch 300 GB hard drives why would there not be 250 GB ones?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-014-FJ&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=896
 
you must not be very good with computers, if something is wrong the monther board buzzess a searous of commands at you witch are refrenced in the manual. they tell you if the ram is faulty or the graphics card is faulty and such its not hard at all, and msi motherboards have a combanation of lights to indecate were the fault is.

If you used a Mac, while it wouldn't necessarily buzz at you, it would underline spelling mistakes. That way you'd know if your sentences were faulty. Your logic, on the other hand, cannot be diagnosed by a machine yet.

Emm there are 2.5 inch 300 GB hard drives why would there not be 250 GB ones?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-014-FJ&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=896

Link to a 250GB one then. Do it.

*waits*
 
Are you suggesting external Harddrive?

Uninstalled on any other machine, that is?



Ah, that's better :) the hard drive inside the MacBook Pro is limited to a 2.5" SATA drive, so there are no internal 250 Gb available for it. However, after maxing the RAM (2 Gb modules are getting nicely cheap now) the very next thing you should do is get a Firewire 800/400 case and put in a nice big PATA (IDE) 3.5" 7200 RPM drive with a 16 Mb cache. If you really want to spash out, get a Sonnet or Firmtek eSATA card for the expresscard slot, and a multibay eSATA enclosure.

Firewire 800/400 case? I'm familiar with many things computer related but I am not sure about the firewire case, I assume it is the enclosure you will use for the PATA 3.5" 7200 RPM drive, I see that the eSATA card would insert into the expresscard slot, then the multibay eSATA enclosure would be in place of the 800/400 firewire case?
 
No, both retail versions, well more like cracked versions, but I haven't ever used them, if I were to custom build, I would install one of them.

Look, I don't want to get all preachy but most mods frown upon any mention of pirate software and most threads that mention that kind of thing get closed down pretty quick. If you must use cracked software then just say that you already have a copy, don't mention that its cracked.

Firewire 800/400 case? I'm familiar with many things computer related but I am not sure about the firewire case, I assume it is the enclosure you will use for the PATA 3.5" 7200 RPM drive, I see that the eSATA card would insert into the expresscard slot, then the multibay eSATA enclosure would be in place of the 800/400 firewire case?

Firewire's faster than USB in terms of realworld performance. While getting an eSATA expansion card for the MBP is an option, it would be far more economical to just get an external Firewire/USB drive. If you can, get one that has an SATA drive inside, that way you can always open it up and use it in a future desktop or something.

So you'd have a 7200rpm drive inside the machine and then something like a 500gb external drive. If you're working on lots of video work, you'll probably be doing most of that at home when using an external drive isn't an issue.
 
Emm there are 2.5 inch 300 GB hard drives why would there not be 250 GB ones?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-014-FJ&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=896

That's a 12.5 mm drive...too thick for Apple laptops. 250 GB 9.5 mm drives are due later this year.

Edit: Yes, I think we're done here...we've established that installing OS X on a non-Apple branded computer is against the EULA, and also ventured into copyright-infringing versions of OSX86 and cracked copies of Windows.
 
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