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This is nice to hear - users often make suggestions or have key insights that the developers / creators aren't seeing. Cool to see they adjusted their focus on the watch as a result.

It's good to see Mr. Cook (and the rest of the executive suite) has this avenue to customer input and actually utilizes it to an extent - its an advantage for Apple. Most companies would not do this as part of their normal process.
 
Yes, the rest of that comment implies that Steve Jobs was not an innovator, a point made by cherry picking two flops and ignoring all the other successes. The examples don't show that Radon was wrong about Jobs being an innovator. You could argue that Cook is also an innovator, but then the Cube and ROKR are irrelevant to that point.

(Let's also not forget that the ROKR was a Motorola product, not an Apple product, and Jobs clearly was not impressed with it when he presented it on stage. He recognized it as garbage—Motorola's garbage.)
That last part of the comment was to show that there wasn't some sort of full perfection one way or full failure the other way. It was to demonstrate that there were failures even with those who were implied to be essentially great/perfect, just like there were successes even with those who were implied to be bad/failures.
 
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Cool.

I guess he just ignored my emails that told him that iPhones, Macbooks, and the Homepod are way overpriced.
I really don't understand complaining about price on anything. Just buy another item.
The market will dictate if the price on something is too high.
 
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I'm saying that according to this article, one of the things Cook fan boys often accredit him with, turns out to actually be something Apple didn't even think of themselves. Not an innovative observation? I'm glad you agree.
I think it more says that one person is not a deity and Apple has-become more customer focused.
Tim Cook isn’t even in the same league as Steve Jobs. One is an innovator. The other is a bean counter riding on his coat tails.
Same tired meme. But okay. Apple’s massive revenue speaks for itself.
 
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Every time there's an article like this, we get three types of comments:
There are more than three types:

1. The comments about popcorn
2. People with legitimate complaints that are on-topic
3. People with legitimate complaints that are off-topic
4. Trolls
5. People who just like to argue for the sake of arguing
6. The omniscient ones who believe they are the sole source of correctness with their posts
7. People who trot out one meme or another to either be humorous or derail actual discussion or avoid admitting they are wrong
8. People who have to bring out their drumbeat of criticism for whatever they like to target (‘Where’s my ...’, ‘Steve Jobs would never ...’, ‘Tim Cook ...’, etc.)
9. People adding to the discussion in topic-relevant ways
 
Every time there's an article like this, we get three types of comments:

  • "Cue barrage" type comments—predictions that, gasp, there will be comments on an article. These comments are both more predictable and annoying than the "barrage" that follows. This type of comment is an attempt to preemptively dismiss any complaints that follow as illegitimate.
  • Legitimate complaints about recent Apple products, their features, quality, gimmicks, and prices.
  • Dismissal of those complaints. "If you don't like it, don't buy it!" As if Apple customers, or would-be customers, hadn't already thought about that, not to mention been told a hundred times.
Just like any company, Apple is not perfect, but dismissing any and all criticism of Apple lately implies that they are perfect. You can like Apple, and still want to buy their products, while complaining about them, wishing they had more of a focus on their customers, and wishing that their products were more reasonably priced. There is a spectrum of possibilities between "Buy whatever Apple offers and whatever price they offer it at" and "Buy nothing from Apple never again."

It's perfectly legitimate and reasonable to want Apple to do a better job, and to complain when they don't. What's unreasonable is to act as if complaining about, for instance, the markup on SSD and RAM upgrades is not legitimate.

Apple's direction lately—and they've almost made this explicit—has been, there's not much more room for additional marketshare, so let's get more money out of our existing customers by charging more for our products. That's a reasonable business approach, at least in the short term. If they're capable of pulling this off, why not?

But there's a few problems with this approach. One, it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy: If part of the reason for selling more more expensive iPhones, for instance, is because customers replace them less often, customers will replace them less often because they are more expensive. Also, high prices will discourage first time Apple customers, and send prior customers elsewhere. The long term effects could be detrimental to both Apple customers and shareholders.

You can't blame people for wishing Apple had better quality products at more reasonable prices, and especially not for longing for the days when Apple focused on "insanely great" products. That focus is what created a loyal fanbase for Apple, as well as enormous profits. Disappoint the customer base too much and too long, and the profits will disappoint, as well.

Giving feedback to Apple about prices is just as legitimate about giving feedback on the Apple Watch. Hopefully Apple will listen.

Are we allowed to be annoyed by people coopting every thread with their unrelated pricing complaints?

“Tim directs teams to focus on features mentioned in emails”
“Yeah, but I want their phones to be cheaper”
“New Unicode emojis to be included in next iOS update”
“Yeah, but I want their phones to be cheaper”
“Tim to speak at commencement ceremony”
“Yeah, but I want their phones to be cheaper”

You can feel that pricing woes are legitimate if you want- but surely you recognize that shoehorning that commentary into literally every single thread is tedious, unproductive, & simply pushing one’s own unrelated narrative/pet peeve to the forefront, yeah?
 
Are we allowed to be annoyed by people coopting every thread with their unrelated pricing complaints?

“Tim directs teams to focus on features mentioned in emails”
“Yeah, but I want their phones to be cheaper”
“New Unicode emojis to be included in next iOS update”
“Yeah, but I want their phones to be cheaper”
“Tim to speak at commencement ceremony”
“Yeah, but I want their phones to be cheaper”

You can feel that pricing woes are legitimate if you want- but surely you recognize that shoehorning that commentary into literally every single thread is tedious, unproductive, & simply pushing one’s own unrelated narrative/pet peeve to the forefront, yeah?

Of course, complain about whatever you want to. I certainly don't mean to be dismissive of others' complaints.

But I'd say it's relevant in this case. Here's an article about how Apple listens to their customers, and you've got people saying, hey, what about addressing what we see as your biggest shortcomings?

Apple is fortunate to have created a loyal base of customers who are passionate, and sometimes fanatic, about the company. When these people feel they're being taken for granted, or that Apple's products aren't as insanely great as they could be, they will complain. "Shut up or just buy something else" isn't sufficient. They don't want to buy something else; they want to buy great Apple products.
 
Well can someone email Tim and suggest some custom watch faces? Even if it's Apple just hiring a designer who designs and implements 1 a week. Official Apple designs. Weekly. 99p/99cent each.

5 billion watch straps, 10 terrible faces.
 
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I just want to confirm I am understanding you correctly...

Apple in this case listened to their customers and shifted the product towards what they wanted.

You are saying this is a bad thing, yes?

Its good - but they formerly knew what their customer want before the customer knew , now they just deliver AFTER the customer knows himself and tells them
 
You are trying to say or imply that all the things Steve Jobs did were because they simply came to him and none were connected to anything that consumers would actually want or need in any way?

Yes. iPad and iPhone are proof of that. Jobs basically created the smartphone industry. He knew what people wanted before they did.
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I think it more says that one person is not a deity and Apple has-become more customer focused.

Same tired meme. But okay. Apple’s massive revenue speaks for itself.
No its not a meme. That's why the sales are on their way down. BTW Apple was always customer focused especially in the Jobs era. The Tim Cook regime is losing touch with the customers.
 
Its good - but they formerly knew what their customer want before the customer knew , now they just deliver AFTER the customer knows himself and tells them
Seems like they certainly had the idea and actual experiences basically helped them reinforce some aspects of it and tweak some other aspects.

Pretty sure that even the iPods and iPhones and iPads and certainly some features they offer didn't just come from a vacuum of nothing else than what was in someone's mind given that the market and all kinds of other data and details played a role in it all, even if indirectly on some level.
 
Unfortunately, App Dev emails to Cook have had NO positive affect on fixing the iOS App Store.

Cook, if you're listening, AAPL needs to assign one day per week for Adults ONLY ... say Wednesday, NO Games, NO Emojis, NO Stickers, NO GIFS ... etc.

You / AAPL could call it the "Raise the Educational Bar Day".

The existing iOS App Store is OVER-run with Little Kid Apps ... making it very difficult for Adults to find Adult-level apps.

As such, on Adults ONLY days, the Ratings & Reviews should be RESET, & moving forward, reflect ONLY those R&Rs that occur on Wednesday.

NOT Rocket Science, if Eddy Cue & Phil Schiller weren't involved, the iOS App Store would be flouring way past Games & Streaming Media Content "sub" apps.

Read your emails Cook !
 
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Yes. iPad and iPhone are proof of that. Jobs basically created the smartphone industry. He knew what people wanted before they did.
Not sure how anything there proofs anything. If people didn't actually want or need what Steve Jobs put out then people wouldn't be buying it. Fairly basic logic in play.
 
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Yes. iPad and iPhone are proof of that. Jobs basically created the smartphone industry. He knew what people wanted before they did.
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No its not a meme. That's why the sales are on their way down. BTW Apple was always customer focused especially in the Jobs era. The Tim Cook regime is losing touch with the customers.
This was the second best quarter in history at 84B. TC has taken Apple north of $1T. He is doing something right, even if some of apple’s 250 million customers don’t agree. Yes it is a meme at this point.
 
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Yes. iPad and iPhone are proof of that. Jobs basically created the smartphone industry. He knew what people wanted before they did.

Absolutely. If Jobs listened to what people said they wanted, we would have gotten a phone with a physical keyboard. The smartphone as we know it would not exist, until someone else took a chance on a radically different device. We've got no way of knowing how long that would take.
 
Absolutely. If Jobs listened to what people said they wanted, we would have gotten a phone with a physical keyboard. The smartphone as we know it would not exist, until someone else took a chance on a radically different device. We've got no way of knowing how long that would take.
By the same logic if Steve Jobs didn't think people would want/need what an iPhone/iPad has to offer then he wouldn't have pushed to make them the way he thought they should be, since people wouldn't want them and wouldn't really be buying them.
 
By the same logic if Steve Jobs didn't think people would want/need what an iPhone/iPad has to offer then he wouldn't have pushed to make them the way he thought they should be, since people wouldn't want them and wouldn't really be buying them.
Yes, I agree; Jobs had an extraordinary ability to figure out what people really want (or will want, once they see it), rather than relying on what they say that want.
 
Yes, I agree; Jobs had an extraordinary ability to figure out what people really want (or will want, once they see it), rather than relying on what they say that want.
In various cases yes, in some others not as much, but that's kind of how things work. In most cases though the figuring out aspect of it all didn't just simply come from nothing more than just his imagination, as all kinds of information, including observations and data of the market, consumers, and various other details would play a role in it all to one degree or another.
 
Every time there's an article like this, we get three types of comments:

  • "Cue barrage" type comments—predictions that, gasp, there will be comments on an article. These comments are both more predictable and annoying than the "barrage" that follows. This type of comment is an attempt to preemptively dismiss any complaints that follow as illegitimate.
  • Legitimate complaints about recent Apple products, their features, quality, gimmicks, and prices.
  • Dismissal of those complaints. "If you don't like it, don't buy it!" As if Apple customers, or would-be customers, hadn't already thought about that, not to mention been told a hundred times.
Make that 5 types of comments: your comments commenting on the comments, and my comment commenting on your commenting of the comments.

I get it. We're all very clever. And completely up our own arses. :confused: Sometimes I think the whole internet would be better off without the ability to comment on things.
 
I really don't understand complaining about price on anything. Just buy another item.
The market will dictate if the price on something is too high.

There is a keyword that you used in your post, and that was ‘anything’. That’s how it is with with technology, vehicles, the housing market, ect, people will complain about something if it doesn’t meet their ‘budgetary needs’ or beyond their reach. I don’t have a problem for paying a premium for technology and hardware that a company puts out with exceptional service, to me, that’s what you’re paying for beyond just the hardware, is the customer service coupled with a product that lasts and is well-made. For some, they don’t understand or grasp this concept, but they still want to complain about it, because again, they can’t either simply justify the price point or afford it.
 
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