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And the fact that they are asking obviously shows that they can't ID you just from a credit card swipe.

I would say they're very likely to id you from a swipe. A full name is enough if you're local. (If there are duplicate people, they can just use duplicate ids for a while.)

As anyone who's looked someone up these days knows, you only need a zip code if you're not sure the general area that someone is from.

As I wrote before, if that is the case, the banks made a bad deal. But somehow I doubt it.

Which is why every bank in the world is falling over themselves to sign up with Apple... oh wait. The opposite is happening.

Insiders say that US banks are sorry they made the original deal. They now know that Apple took advantage of secrecy to make each one think they had to sign up, because "every other" bank was doing so. They were also tempted by claims that iPhone users were big spenders. Maybe, but only about 5% of owners with NFC iPhones actually use that method when possible.

Other banks around the world not only took note of what happened with the US banks, but they have even less reason to be interested since they already have plenty of contactless users with little fraud rate.

They also took notice of what happened in the UK when banks failed to band together. Thus first the Canadian negotiations and now the Australian situation. Banks now realize that in many ways, Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Until someday the health insurance industry gets their hands on the data and raises your rates because you buy too much unhealthy food ...

Nonsense. Are you seriously predicting that chain stores are going to sell our purchase info to the health industry? That would be business suicide.

There is one and only one reason why companies collect data about you: To squeeze more profit out of you. That goal is usually in conflict with your interests as a consumer.

You sir, are a pessimist :)

Such data helps both the store and the consumer.

Honestly, I don't understand people who spend hours hunting for little discounts (and probably buying more crap than they otherwise would as a result), fumbling around with dozens of loyalty cards or cutting coupons. The old saying "penny-wise, pound-foolish" comes to mind. There are more productive (and profitable) things to spend your efforts on.

Depends on the person. Loyalty cards save me about $2,000 a year at my grocery and CVS combined.

And I don't even bother with product specific grocery or CVS coupons ... with the exception of battery deals around Christmas.

What I do use are the constant 20-50% discount coupons CVS sends out. I've bought a lot of stuff like Lightning cables at great deals that way... stuff that I had to buy anyway.
 
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I cut back shopping there by 90%. Asked about AP every time I checked out. Hoped they would accept AP in near future. Now I am done also. Dorothy Lane Market uses AP, have for a long time. They still have no problem tracking my purchases and sending out coupons. What's their problem?
 
Elitist Apple Devotees can rail against CVS, but they're a powerful force in their retail sector. The CVS pay strategy is measured, well planned and executed, Apple Pay just got snubbed... :eek:
 
Elitist Apple Devotees can rail against CVS, but they're a powerful force in their retail sector. The CVS pay strategy is measured, well planned and executed, Apple Pay just got snubbed... :eek:

I disagree--they are not gaining any customers with CVS Pay--but, are losing, hopefully, a fair amount.

I am not an elitest--just an old man with arthritic fingers--and find AP the easiest way to pay for my purchases. Don't have to DIG out my credit cards from my wallet stuck in by pocket. I have used WalMart Pay and LoopPay. AP is by far the quickest and easiest to use. :)

My main point was other retailers like I mentioned, including JC Penny, can let me use AP and still get what they want--my purchase history. Although Walmart is not too bad, it is still clumsy. I think CVS Pay will be the same.
 
I disagree--they are not gaining any customers with CVS Pay--but, are losing, hopefully, a fair amount.

I am not an elitest--just an old man with arthritic fingers--and find AP the easiest way to pay for my purchases. Don't have to DIG out my credit cards from my wallet stuck in by pocket. I have used WalMart Pay and LoopPay. AP is by far the quickest and easiest to use. :)

My main point was other retailers like I mentioned, including JC Penny, can let me use AP and still get what they want--my purchase history. Although Walmart is not too bad, it is still clumsy. I think CVS Pay will be the same.
I didn't suggest CVS would gain customers, they're simply offering an additional way to pay.

Nor am I bashing Apple Pay. But Apple's burning desire to permeate every aspect of our lives is bothersome. With a huge number of customers worshipping the Cupertino Company, Apple's far too influential. Gullible and eager to go all in, their minions will submit to nearly anything.
 
I didn't suggest CVS would gain customers, they're simply offering an additional way to pay.

Nor am I bashing Apple Pay. But Apple's burning desire to permeate every aspect of our lives is bothersome. With a huge number of customers worshipping the Cupertino Company, Apple's far too influential. Gullible and eager to go all in, their minions will submit to nearly anything.

Agree there are the minions. Am not one. But, Apple products serve my needs the best. My son and his wife, decades long Apple users and probably part of the minions, talked me into switching. Talked wife into it and in October my other son will get his brothers 6. I enjoy all of us on one system.

As, I believe, one poster said, I don't want an app for every retailer. I liked LoopPay. But, it was one extra item to carry around.
 
Nonsense. Are you seriously predicting that chain stores are going to sell our purchase info to the health industry? That would be business suicide.
Really? You yourself wrote earlier in this thread that merchants and banks are selling off transaction data to "affiliated" marketing companies. Car insurance companies already score customers based on information purchased from data brokers. Lobbyists are busily working behind the scenes to create more loopholes in privacy regulations. There's only a small step left to make consumers completely transparent to anyone who's willing pay. Thanks to people like you (who say things like "privacy is overrated"), we are creeping closer and closer to that point, like the proverbial frog who is happily sitting in a pot full of water while the temperature is slowly being increased to the boiling point.
What I do use are the constant 20-50% discount coupons CVS sends out. I've bought a lot of stuff like Lightning cables at great deals that way... stuff that I had to buy anyway.
Which means that their regular prices are inflated by 20-50% ...
 
Which means that their regular prices are inflated by 20-50% ...
Not always or perhaps even often depending on what you buy. Sometimes in ad stuff is a loss leader because, statistically, you're unlikely to come into the grocery store to buy the six super well priced items in the ad.

Christmas sales are a big one here. I know for a fact, my wife being manager st Best Buy, that during Christmas time they list a lot of HOT stuff at cost to get people in the store. You might see a dozen people but only those items, but then you get the one guy that decides to redo their entire kitchen (you think in full of it but it does happen..) and you've just made up for the last $50k of product you sold st cost.
 
I disagree--they are not gaining any customers with CVS Pay--but, are losing, hopefully, a fair amount.

I am not an elitest--just an old man with arthritic fingers--and find AP the easiest way to pay for my purchases. Don't have to DIG out my credit cards from my wallet stuck in by pocket. I have used WalMart Pay and LoopPay. AP is by far the quickest and easiest to use. :)

My main point was other retailers like I mentioned, including JC Penny, can let me use AP and still get what they want--my purchase history. Although Walmart is not too bad, it is still clumsy. I think CVS Pay will be the same.
CVS pay is worse than Walmart Pay as with CVS pay the employee has to scan the phone, which 9/10 never works!
 
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There is one thing this app does do that Apple Pay doesn't not. This app seems to support FSA cards, so there's that. I am going to try it, next mouth when I have to refill my prescriptions. My guess is I'm going to get a blank stare by a confused pharmacy tech who has no idea what this app is all about.
 
I drive past CVS and shop at Rite Aide because they accept ApplePay. CVSPay is ridiculous.
 
There is one thing this app does do that Apple Pay doesn't not. This app seems to support FSA cards, so there's that. I am going to try it, next mouth when I have to refill my prescriptions.

My guess is I'm going to get a blank stare by a confused pharmacy tech who has no idea what this app is all about.

I picked up my wife's prescription yesterday at our tiny town's CVS, and commented while signing everything that, "I should've downloaded the CVS app, so I could bypass all this." I expected them to give me a blank stare.

To my surprise, the pharmacist immediately replied, "Yeah, scanning the app makes everything go quicker!"

Guess I'd better get it for next time :)
 
why double tap? I just hold my iPhone close to the reader with my thumb resting on the home button and that's it (?)

On the lock screen you can double tap to force Apple Pay up, which is nice when you don't necessarily want to pay with your default card, you can be ready to go before the cashier.
 
I was so frustrated with CVS's lack of ApplePay support that while stuck in their checkout I made a protest page. They should think more about their customers' time and privacy than about trying to lock us into a malfunctioning proprietary payment system: https://goo.gl/vpTKOw
 
I would say they're very likely to id you from a swipe. A full name is enough if you're local. (If there are duplicate people, they can just use duplicate ids for a while.)

As anyone who's looked someone up these days knows, you only need a zip code if you're not sure the general area that someone is from.



Which is why every bank in the world is falling over themselves to sign up with Apple... oh wait. The opposite is happening.

Insiders say that US banks are sorry they made the original deal. They now know that Apple took advantage of secrecy to make each one think they had to sign up, because "every other" bank was doing so. They were also tempted by claims that iPhone users were big spenders. Maybe, but only about 5% of owners with NFC iPhones actually use that method when possible.

Other banks around the world not only took note of what happened with the US banks, but they have even less reason to be interested since they already have plenty of contactless users with little fraud rate.

They also took notice of what happened in the UK when banks failed to band together. Thus first the Canadian negotiations and now the Australian situation. Banks now realize that in many ways, Apple needs them more than they need Apple.



Nonsense. Are you seriously predicting that chain stores are going to sell our purchase info to the health industry? That would be business suicide.



You sir, are a pessimist :)

Such data helps both the store and the consumer.



Depends on the person. Loyalty cards save me about $2,000 a year at my grocery and CVS combined.

And I don't even bother with product specific grocery or CVS coupons ... with the exception of battery deals around Christmas.

What I do use are the constant 20-50% discount coupons CVS sends out. I've bought a lot of stuff like Lightning cables at great deals that way... stuff that I had to buy anyway.
Which insiders? Nice necro.
 
I was so frustrated with CVS's lack of ApplePay support that while stuck in their checkout I made a protest page. They should think more about their customers' time and privacy than about trying to lock us into a malfunctioning proprietary payment system: https://goo.gl/vpTKOw

Good luck! I'm not sure how much impact it'll ultimately have though since mobile payment usage is pretty low in general.

There are other reasons to avoid CVS though. At the one near me, for example, the lines always moved insanely slowly (even before the chip) and the pharmacy left a lot to be desired in terms of service. Fortunately there's a Walgreens across the street. :cool:
 
I was so frustrated with CVS's lack of ApplePay support that while stuck in their checkout I made a protest page. They should think more about their customers' time and privacy than about trying to lock us into a malfunctioning proprietary payment system: https://goo.gl/vpTKOw

It is frustrating, considering they are all coming out with their own QC code with proprietary must-use app so in essence you will need the Walmart app, CVS app, etc while Target blows me away with their ridiculous Red card that has got to be the slowest and most in-secure way of paying anyone. Not to mention Target's "how many breaches have they had again?".
 
There are other reasons to avoid CVS though. At the one near me, for example, the lines always moved insanely slowly (even before the chip) and the pharmacy left a lot to be desired in terms of service. Fortunately there's a Walgreens across the street. :cool:

Depends on where you are, I guess. My CVS pharmacy bends over backwards for us... most of the time.

However, we have recently re-discovered the joys of using a private owner pharmacy. Now THEY give real personal service, even after hours.
 
I stopped shopping at CVS probably 18 months ago because they don't support Apple Pay. Kind of crazy on their part, since Walgreens and now Rite Aid both support it. In fact almost everywhere I shop now supports it. I haven't swiped a card in at least a year I would guess.
 
I stopped shopping at CVS probably 18 months ago because they don't support Apple Pay. Kind of crazy on their part, since Walgreens and now Rite Aid both support it. In fact almost everywhere I shop now supports it. I haven't swiped a card in at least a year I would guess.

I wish that was the case for me. Still run into a lot of places that are swipe only if not chip/swipe only.
 
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