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And yet, the rest of the world wants to come to the U.S.

No.. They really do not. The only people clamoring to come here are refugees from third world hellholes and nations destabilized by US military invasions. Want to immigrate to a civilized European nation with generous social welfare programs? Good luck with that, the door isn't open.
 
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All these places always point to the Starbucks app as the model for success. But that was for the rewards more than anything else.

The only good thing about the CVS app is the prescription refill ordering, status, etc. It actually works fairly well. The rest is crap.
 
All these places always point to the Starbucks app as the model for success. But that was for the rewards more than anything else.

The only good thing about the CVS app is the prescription refill ordering, status, etc. It actually works fairly well. The rest is crap.

That is correct, Starbucks is the exception to the rule due to a product that has addictive qualities and is enforced by frequent customer points (which I understand has been devalued recently by the company). These companies let that exception cloud their vision of their own products' potential, which is far less for a sandwich shop (looking at you, Subway) or a pharmacy. The grocery chain we are most loyal to (Sprouts) does not need gimmick loyalty programs, offers great products, and takes ApplePay. So we get as much of our groceries from these as we possibly can.
 
Well, others keep the cash in the bank and use a Debit card. Carrying too much cash is no longer safe, no matter where you are.

But direct access to your bank account is ok? If I have cash then my loss is limited to what I have on-hand, with cards, loss limited to my bank account. Plus with cash, bad guys don't need me and I can get away. With bank card or credit card, they need to force you to the ATM. Me I'd rather drop some cash, run, and be done with it. Most criminal will consider dropped cash or chasing me and go for the cash. That works out better for both of us, unless you don't mind getting pistol whipped for your pin code. I guess that could be fun, but its not for me. If you lose your card you don't know how much future headache you are in for, maybe none, maybe a lot. With cash I know there are no follow on problems.

I think you need to think this through a bit more. Hopefully, you don't use the same indoctrination logic for politics, even though half the nation does.
 
But direct access to your bank account is ok? If I have cash then my loss is limited to what I have on-hand, with cards, loss limited to my bank account. Plus with cash, bad guys don't need me and I can get away. With bank card or credit card, they need to force you to the ATM. Me I'd rather drop some cash, run, and be done with it. Most criminal will consider dropped cash or chasing me and go for the cash. That works out better for both of us, unless you don't mind getting pistol whipped for your pin code. I guess that could be fun, but its not for me. If you lose your card you don't know how much future headache you are in for, maybe none, maybe a lot. With cash I know there are no follow on problems.

I think you need to think this through a bit more. Hopefully, you don't use the same indoctrination logic for politics, even though half the nation does.
I suppose it depends on the types of establishments one frequents or the alleyways they walk down at 2am. I am infinitely more likely to be the victim of a credit card skimmer at a restaurant or of my own carelessnessdropping cash from my pocket than I am to be pistol whipped by a thug for my pin code. I don't put myself close to those environments, but sorry to hear that is a possibility for you.
 
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Pretty much this. Stores refusing Apple Pay are obviously being run by old school Boomer JerkWads who are hell bent on driving customers away, whether they realize it or not.

A few years from now, when all these companies are crashing and burning, they still won't know what happened.

Sears and Kmart used to be relevant lol.

A few years from now the companies refusing Apple Pay and driving customer loyalty into the dumpster will be shuttering stores just like Kmart and Sears have been doing.

Ironically, Sears (and I assume K-Mart) accept Apple Pay.
 
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My concern is that anyone can copy the bar code and use your card..... the value of Apple Pay, outside of convenience, is the tokenization / security in place.

Are you saying theoretically one could take a screen shot with the bar code and use that to take advantage of CVS' system?

[Edit] Never mind, I see that one has to choose method of payment as well.
 
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I have been using the CVS pharmacy app for several months. Unfortunately there is no cell reception inside the store, so you have to get to the page that shows the Rx number and bar code. This will not be good when they want to add payments since there will be no connection to the outside world. And there is no wi-fi.
 
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Gee, that will work great with this phone . .
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But direct access to your bank account is ok? If I have cash then my loss is limited to what I have on-hand, with cards, loss limited to my bank account. Plus with cash, bad guys don't need me and I can get away. With bank card or credit card, they need to force you to the ATM. Me I'd rather drop some cash, run, and be done with it. Most criminal will consider dropped cash or chasing me and go for the cash. That works out better for both of us, unless you don't mind getting pistol whipped for your pin code. I guess that could be fun, but its not for me. If you lose your card you don't know how much future headache you are in for, maybe none, maybe a lot. With cash I know there are no follow on problems.

I think you need to think this through a bit more. Hopefully, you don't use the same indoctrination logic for politics, even though half the nation does.

LOL, you got a good point there. Give them the cash and walk away. But nowadays they will kill you so you can't describe them to the Police.
 
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My concern is that anyone can copy the bar code and use your card..... the value of Apple Pay, outside of convenience, is the tokenization / security in place.

In apps like this, it's almost certainly a one-time barcode generated for the event.

Nope. I never leave money on the table. I visit deal sites regularly to know when retailers are taking losses, and when I visit stores (especially grocers) using loyalty cards I have the cashier give me a new one each visit and toss in the bin on the way out.

You remind me of me when I was single :)

As for one-time loyalty cards, that works at grocery stores (where I save hundreds each year now), but not at other places.

Being married with kids and all the associated female purchases, I can tell you that things like a CVS loyalty card really add up. Here, I just logged into my account, and this is how much I've saved this year so far. I'm on track to save close to $1,000 this year.

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As I've mentioned before, the custom coupons I get for items that are of interest to me (especially batteries around Christmas time with grandkids and toys!) are also well worth it to me.

You're still not making sense. Apple Pay doesn't cost merchants any more than when a physical credit card is used. Customers who are using the latter cannot be uniquely identified either. The only additional information the merchants get from card swipes/dips is a name, which doesn't help them a whole lot (especially if the name is "John Smith" or similar).

Despite the exception ("John Smith"), a full name is likely to be unique enough to figure out locally. Or heck, send an ad to all the matches:) It's also why merchants try to get phone numbers or zip codes (which I say no to, if I'm just passing through).

Apple Pay provides more fraud protection than just EMV due to the biometric authentication.

Well, of course since an on-device registered fingerprint only means that a person with the phone's passcode is using it, it's nowhere near perfect security. But sure, it's good enough to add some value.

The trouble is, contactless fraud costs far less than what Apple demands as a fee.

Yeah well, I think it's silly to sell your privacy for pocket change.

There's privacy and then there's privacy. Someone knowing what food I buy over and over again, is hardly a privacy breach. Even if there's something I really don't want someone to know about, there's always cash.

Besides, if we use a credit card, what the store uses the info for pales next to what the banks use the for, which is mainly to constantly determine our credit worthiness. An ad is just an ad. No big deal. A change in credit score is huge.

Question: so you don't belong to ANY awards programs at all?

Thanks!
 
In apps like this, it's almost certainly a one-time barcode generated for the event.



You remind me of me when I was single :)

As for one-time loyalty cards, that works at grocery stores (where I save hundreds each year now), but not at other places.

Being married with kids and all the associated female purchases, I can tell you that things like a CVS loyalty card really add up. Here, I just logged into my account, and this is how much I've saved this year so far. I'm on track to save close to $1,000 this year.

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As I've mentioned before, the custom coupons I get for items that are of interest to me (especially batteries around Christmas time with grandkids and toys!) are also well worth it to me.

Haha, I think I'm older than you may believe! Married with kids at that. I do not begrudge you from getting cumulative discounts as you do, or trading any identifiable habits for that. Certainly is your right. I just DO NOT LIKE retailers or marketers being able to get a well-defined picture of their customers because they will use the data to adjust pricing in their favor NOT ours. I liken it to playing blackjack at a casino. Should the dealer see all of your cards before deciding on his move? Consumers giving away such seemingly harmless data as shopping habits, I believe, financially harms them in the long run.
 
Don't know where you live, but around here, the police don't go after muggers unless there is a dead body or nearly so.
It really doesn't matter where you live, this is an issue almost anywhere. Even if it's a good neighborhood, the crooks will pay a visit and do things their way.
 
Consumers giving away such seemingly harmless data as shopping habits, I believe, financially harms them in the long run.

Interesting thought. I can see how prices could be higher for those who are not part of a loyalty program, but can't see how it goes up for those of us who are, since we're the ones getting the discounts :)

I just thought of another reason I like being registered with CVS (and others). At the end of the year I can log on and get an instant total of my out of pocket drug expenses for taxes.
 
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Interesting thought. I can see how prices could be higher for those who are not part of a loyalty program, but can't see how it goes up for those of us who are, since we're the ones getting the discounts :)

I just thought of another reason I like being registered with CVS (and others). At the end of the year I can log on and get an instant total of my out of pocket drug expenses for taxes.

The way Uber does surge pricing is what I mean, but for consumer goods. Or the way insurance companies are fanatical about statistics to set premiums.
Perhaps is much more difficult for brick and mortars, but Amazon plays with price fluctuations quite a bit.
 
Interesting thought. I can see how prices could be higher for those who are not part of a loyalty program, but can't see how it goes up for those of us who are, since we're the ones getting the discounts :)

I just thought of another reason I like being registered with CVS (and others). At the end of the year I can log on and get an instant total of my out of pocket drug expenses for taxes.
I can technically do that with my bank. Unfortunately they classify gum and candy as a pharmacy purchase.
 
Chance of Apple Pay getting hacked considering their multi-step encryption for payments: Very Low

Chance of ****** CVS app getting hacked: Very Likely

I've used their app for rewards and prescription orders. It's written so poorly, crashes often, and seems that it's optimized for iOS 6 at best. There's no way I'm putting my credit card info into that thing.
 
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