CVS Stores Reportedly Disabling NFC to Shut Down Apple Pay and Google Wallet

[XrayTed]

Interesting development - I'm already a Walgreens guy plus I have no idea how this applepay works, still have yet to set it up or wrap my head around it. For starters my bank Commerica I don't think supports it yet, so probably not even an option for me.
I think these retailers will sooner rather than later be forced into accepting this payment form. If I was set up to use it I wouldn't go so far as to say I'll never shop at Sears again or whatever, I don't think anyone is really going to shred their debit/credit cards because now they can pay with their phone.

But like so much in life, the more options you have the better, for retailers and customers alike. And those that limit options for no good reasons are going to suffer.

 

[Prunzel]

I have a CVS across the street from my house and a Walgreens two blocks down. Now I go two blocks down.

 

[gleepskip]

I guess when Apple makes rules to eliminate competitors in their own store (which they have every right to do), it's OK. When anyone else does it, it's time for all of us fanatics to bash them and claim they are stifling competition

None of the decisions made by Apple that you listed have any impact on security, privacy or spy marketing.

Disabling a functioning NFC terminal has everything to do with that.

 

[macsmurf]

Do you feel the same way about Apple removing Bose products from their retail stores?

Or how about Apple rejecting/banning apps that provide links to their own apps stores (e.g. Aple rejecting Amazon's Kindle app since it linked to Amazon's own store)?

I guess when Apple makes rules to eliminate competitors in their own store (which they have every right to do), it's OK. When anyone else does it, it's time for all of us fanatics to bash them and claim they are stifling competition

You missed the obvious example: Apple locking down the NFC chip to only work with their own payment solution.

The hypocrisy is real.

 

[minus.toes]

I'm no fanboy, but I am a user - iPhone, iPad, rMBP and ready to get a new desktop, as well. When Apple does something right, I'm happy to give credit. And when they f-up, I've no issue with criticising them.

What I don't understand are the people who are upset to the point of boycotting stores or losing sleep at night because they can't use Apple Pay at a store - whether it was never offered at the store (and they feel it should be) or it was offered (but the store is backtracking).

Apple Pay is a cool concept. And I applaud the stores who are on board with it. But I don't shun the stores who don't want to get involved with it. Just as I don't cry at the register if I have my Amex Card in hand, and the store tells me they don't take it.

I'm in need of carrying a wallet for cash/change, DL/ID and I bring an ATM card and credit card with me. My choice, correct. But if I need to buy something, I go where I need to go and I pay with whatever means I have on me and the store accepts. I don't boycott a store because they won't take a personal check. And in the same ballpark, why should I boycott a store or get upset because they don't accept Apple Pay or decided to stop accepting it? Just pay in a different manner.

 

[gleepskip]

You missed the obvious example: Apple locking down the NFC chip to only work with their own payment solution. .

Apple seldom allows developers access to new software or hardware features at their initial release. I could list numerous examples of this. This is the first time NFC has been present on an iPhone. I would never expect Apple to allow third party access to NFC in iOS 8. Perhaps iOS 9.

 

[Max(IT)]

Let me know when you find that anti apple post in this thread that I wrote.

Samcraig->search-> find all posts

 

[cbrec]

I'm no fanboy, but I am a user - iPhone, iPad, rMBP and ready to get a new desktop, as well. When Apple does something right, I'm happy to give credit. And when they f-up, I've no issue with criticising them.

What I don't understand are the people who are upset to the point of boycotting stores or losing sleep at night because they can't use Apple Pay at a store - whether it was never offered at the store (and they feel it should be) or it was offered (but the store is backtracking).

Apple Pay is a cool concept. And I applaud the stores who are on board with it. But I don't shun the stores who don't want to get involved with it. Just as I don't cry at the register if I have my Amex Card in hand, and the store tells me they don't take it.

I'm in need of carrying a wallet for cash/change, DL/ID and I bring an ATM card and credit card with me. My choice, correct. But if I need to buy something, I go where I need to go and I pay with whatever means I have on me and the store accepts. I don't boycott a store because they won't take a personal check. And in the same ballpark, why should I boycott a store or get upset because they don't accept Apple Pay or decided to stop accepting it? Just pay in a different manner.

get out of here with your common sense! BOYCOTT CVS!

 

[doelcm82]

You missed the obvious example: Apple locking down the NFC chip to only work with their own payment solution.

The hypocrisy is real.

The NFC chip is also the secure element, where the financial data is stored.

I would like to see Apple open up the NFC functions to third-party developers. This would make it possible to use your phone as a hotel room key or a building access card, and probably a lot of other things I haven't even imagined, which would add value to my iPhone. But not at the expense of the security of my financial data. Maybe iOS 9 will have APIs that let developers activate NFC while keeping the secure element secure (the way iOS 8 opened up the ability to authenticate using Touch ID in third-party apps).

What safeguards need to be in place to keep another app from hijacking an NFC transaction?

 

[Max(IT)]

You missed the obvious example: Apple locking down the NFC chip to only work with their own payment solution.

The hypocrisy is real.

They also locked down BT only for audio transmission, so? What's your point?
Apple implements hardware functionality according with their philosophy.
It's been an eternity with this approach. Customers are satisfied with that kind of walled garden and security is usually higher than in other environments. Customers are voting with their wallets.

NFC is for secure payments in Apple's view. Like it or not.
Personally I don't need NFC for anything else: I have a tablet and a phone with NFC full support and never used it. Never.

 

[bushman4]

Call CVS corporate

Voice your opinion

call corporate voice your opinion


401-765-1500


If you don't mgmt will think everythings OK

 

[ziggie216]

Do you feel the same way about Apple removing Bose products from their retail stores?

Or how about Apple rejecting/banning apps that provide links to their own apps stores (e.g. Aple rejecting Amazon's Kindle app since it linked to Amazon's own store)?

I guess when Apple makes rules to eliminate competitors in their own store (which they have every right to do), it's OK. When anyone else does it, it's time for all of us fanatics to bash them and claim they are stifling competition

It's not completely about Apple this time. Google Wallet is in the same boat as Apple Pay.

 

[CB1234]

Do you feel the same way about Apple removing Bose products from their retail stores?

Or how about Apple rejecting/banning apps that provide links to their own apps stores (e.g. Aple rejecting Amazon's Kindle app since it linked to Amazon's own store)?

I guess when Apple makes rules to eliminate competitors in their own store (which they have every right to do), it's OK. When anyone else does it, it's time for all of us fanatics to bash them and claim they are stifling competition

But it's not only about Apple Pay... They have stopped Google Wallet and other NFC related payment devices...

 

[peterdevries]

Do you feel the same way about Apple removing Bose products from their retail stores?

Or how about Apple rejecting/banning apps that provide links to their own apps stores (e.g. Aple rejecting Amazon's Kindle app since it linked to Amazon's own store)?

I guess when Apple makes rules to eliminate competitors in their own store (which they have every right to do), it's OK. When anyone else does it, it's time for all of us fanatics to bash them and claim they are stifling competition

Why do you automatically conclude that the person you responded to didn't think Apple's moves were anti-competitive?

People are so quick to draw conclusions. If someone buys the new iPad mini or a beats headphone there will surely be someone accusing them of criticizing it first and being a hypocrite. How about the some thought and actually checking before you criticize someone?

 

[shingo1]

Send RiteAide and CVS your message!

Let's all go to RiteAide and CVS with a basket of items to check out. Get your Apple Pay or Google Wallet ready. Once you are declined to pay with one of these methods, happily leave the basket at the counter and decline shopping there. Repeat in as many stores as you can. This will send them a message.

 

[peterdevries]

I pay them nothing.

It is Apple who loves you - you pay them $1000 to do something I can do for free.

Something tells me you are not really a professor......

 

[doelcm82]

I'm no fanboy, but I am a user - iPhone, iPad, rMBP and ready to get a new desktop, as well. When Apple does something right, I'm happy to give credit. And when they f-up, I've no issue with criticising them.

What I don't understand are the people who are upset to the point of boycotting stores or losing sleep at night because they can't use Apple Pay at a store - whether it was never offered at the store (and they feel it should be) or it was offered (but the store is backtracking).

Apple Pay is a cool concept. And I applaud the stores who are on board with it. But I don't shun the stores who don't want to get involved with it. Just as I don't cry at the register if I have my Amex Card in hand, and the store tells me they don't take it.

I'm in need of carrying a wallet for cash/change, DL/ID and I bring an ATM card and credit card with me. My choice, correct. But if I need to buy something, I go where I need to go and I pay with whatever means I have on me and the store accepts. I don't boycott a store because they won't take a personal check. And in the same ballpark, why should I boycott a store or get upset because they don't accept Apple Pay or decided to stop accepting it? Just pay in a different manner.

I'm not upset with CVS. But they are boycotting a service that I want, and since that service is integral to paying for merchandise, I can't shop there without using the inferior service they do offer instead. I have a choice of multiple options: do without CVS products, continue to shop there, or find an alternative that does offer that service. In the case of CVS, there is an alternative in Walgreens, which is just as convenient for me. So the choice is easy. I'm not faced with the harder choice of doing without.

 

[modul8tr]

The NFC chip is also the secure element, where the financial data is stored.

I would like to see Apple open up the NFC functions to third-party developers. This would make it possible to use your phone as a hotel room key or a building access card, and probably a lot of other things I haven't even imagined, which would add value to my iPhone.

They're doing this already btw. It was announced at the iPhone 6 event. I don't remember what hotel they partnered with for the launch of that feature, but you can expect many to follow.

They already have a huge customer base for the building access card feature with Enterprise. Also, you could use it to unlock doors in your home.

 

[AdonisSMU]

I found this petition ==> http://wh.gov/icbF5

 

[AllieNeko]

Do you feel the same way about Apple removing Bose products from their retail stores?

Or how about Apple rejecting/banning apps that provide links to their own apps stores (e.g. Aple rejecting Amazon's Kindle app since it linked to Amazon's own store)?

I guess when Apple makes rules to eliminate competitors in their own store (which they have every right to do), it's OK. When anyone else does it, it's time for all of us fanatics to bash them and claim they are stifling competition

There's a difference between not stocking a competitor's product and attempting to implement/force a new, untested payment system without the traditional consumer protections that exist. This has nothing to do with Apple Pay and everything to do with Walmart and their buddies attempting to strong-arm their way into the payment field. If you think banks aren't your friend (they actually are, usually - your bank is usually on your side, at least as long as you are a valuable customer), wait until you see how merchants acting as unregulated pseudo-banks treat you.

 

[FriednTested]

Yes. I remember watching both deals a they happened. While it looked like X bought Y, it was really Y assimilating & taking over X. Disney and Apple needed to be preserved externally but Jobs basically took them over.

People generally cannot read between the lines...

 

[pdaholic]

Screw cvs and screw rite aid. This thread has run it's course. Come on, Macrumors, give us a new headline to talk about!

 

[CB1234]

Screw cvs and screw rite aid. This thread has run it's course. Come on, Macrumors, give us a new headline to talk about!

It hasn't run its course until the thread reaches atleast 10,000 posts...

 

[pdaholic]

It hasn't run its course until the thread reaches atleast 10,000 posts...

Well, how many times do we have to see the suggestion to walk out and leave items at the cash register? At least come up with a novel idea to "stick it to da man."

 

[CB1234]

Well, how many times do we have to see the suggestion to walk out and leave items at the cash register? At least come up with a novel idea to "stick it to da man."

it has already been suggested atleast 25+ times... what's wrong with it being suggested 2000 times more ??