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CVS Stores Reportedly Disabling NFC to Shut Down Apple Pay and Google Wallet

Noble Actual said:
Haha, best part in that article...



lol Walmart
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Not sure I understand where the laughter is. Isn't this pretty much the philosophy of many businesses.

Apple vs Google comes to mind. Steve Jobs' quote about destroying Google/Android.

Can anyone really honestly blame retailers that collectively processing millions upon millions and have fees associated with them trying to figure out a way to minimize those costs?

And yet - no one has a problem with Apple using Ireland as a way to pay less taxes because Apple is using legitimate loopholes that exist currently.

These retailers (and I'm not TRYING to defend them) are simply doing what they can to maximize profits. As a shareholder of Apple, you would likely want their Ireland arrangement to continue. As a shareholder of one of these retailers, you'd think you'd want them to work on their top and bottom lines.

I have a feeling the loss in business from those that refuse to shop at their stores now will be dwarfed by the amount they stand to save by using CurrenC. Time will tell.
 
bigjohn said:
Maybe because it's not really a mature product. I just did Apple Pay at Whole Foods and it was a less than expedient process. It took a couple times to initiate, a couple tries on the thumbprint, had to enter my phone pin, then I had to sign because the guy said it was over $50 ($62.72). Whole thing took about 5 minutes. Luckily the folks behind me didn't mind a bit, they had their whole weekend free to wait for me.
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The couple of times on the tumbprint is your own problem setting up touch ID and yet you blamed that on Apple Pay. I get 100%. Next argument...
 
kevkmartin said:
While I don't CONDONE this... It would definitely send a message to corporate. The time the cashiers spend ringing up and then dealing with the cancellation is time they are NOT spending ringing up someone else.

That means slowing down sales, which impacts the bottom line directly, but which ALSO means that other customers get frustrated by waiting - and may leave - either without their purchases, or with a bad taste in their mouths for the inconvenience of waiting.

The ONLY thing the corporate folks will care about is a measurable impact to their bottom line.
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You know what else works - just not shopping there.

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Keirasplace said:
The couple of times on the tumbprint is your own problem setting up touch ID and yet you blamed that on Apple Pay. I get 100%. Next argument...
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Why is it an argument. He stated his experience. You're amazing....
 
kevkmartin said:
While I don't CONDONE this... It would definitely send a message to corporate. The time the cashiers spend ringing up and then dealing with the cancellation is time they are NOT spending ringing up someone else.

That means slowing down sales, which impacts the bottom line directly, but which ALSO means that other customers get frustrated by waiting - and may leave - either without their purchases, or with a bad taste in their mouths for the inconvenience of waiting.

The ONLY thing the corporate folks will care about is a measurable impact to their bottom line.
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Now we have people justifying moronic behaviour.
 
RedOrchestra said:
I think that's a pretty popular sentiment, across the board - for both big and small businesses. Those POS charges do tend to choke you off after awhile.
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Yet they don't seem to care whether I use cash or card when I buy something from them.

Everyone wants everything for free or at least they want to pay less. Its just how the world goes.
 
kevkmartin said:
While I don't CONDONE this... It would definitely send a message to corporate. The time the cashiers spend ringing up and then dealing with the cancellation is time they are NOT spending ringing up someone else.

That means slowing down sales, which impacts the bottom line directly, but which ALSO means that other customers get frustrated by waiting - and may leave - either without their purchases, or with a bad taste in their mouths for the inconvenience of waiting.

The ONLY thing the corporate folks will care about is a measurable impact to their bottom line.
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No, it will not send a message to corporate. All it will do is make you look bad in front of the workers, and other customers around you.

Sending a message to corporate would be doing exactly that. Call them, send them emails and written letters, expressing your frustration.

THAT is sending a message to corporate, literally. Harassing the workers won't accomplish that. They're more prone to ignore your opinions if you do that. Why should the store listen to you if your goal is to cause them problems?
 
This is a good opportunity for Walgreens to make some money off Apple fanatics by raising their prices. This will be a win-win for both - those who want a more secure form of payment will pay a premium.
 
Yes, gosh forbid you get sent coupons for things you purchase. If you re shopping at Kroger, unless you are a fool, you are already giving them your "data" when you swipe your Kroger card. This privacy shtick is getting out of hand.


farmkittie said:
I bet Kroger's will get on the CurrentC bandwagon. This will be sad if CurrentC wins because all the merchants who want our data use it and so it becomes the popular choice because it's ubiquitous but not as good as Apple Pay. Who knows, the technology might be fine (we'll see) but the collecting of data is a major differentiator between Apple Pay and CurrentC.
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samcraig said:
Not sure I understand where the laughter is. Isn't this pretty much the philosophy of many businesses.

Apple vs Google comes to mind. Steve Jobs' quote about destroying Google/Android.

Can anyone really honestly blame retailers that collectively processing millions upon millions and have fees associated with them trying to figure out a way to minimize those costs?

And yet - no one has a problem with Apple using Ireland as a way to pay less taxes because Apple is using legitimate loopholes that exist currently.

These retailers (and I'm not TRYING to defend them) are simply doing what they can to maximize profits. As a shareholder of Apple, you would likely want their Ireland arrangement to continue. As a shareholder of one of these retailers, you'd think you'd want them to work on their top and bottom lines.

I have a feeling the loss in business from those that refuse to shop at their stores now will be dwarfed by the amount they stand to save by using CurrenC. Time will tell.
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Ok, I'll remind you of that when the lawsuits start due to CurrentC being compromised.
 
spectrumfox said:
So you're telling me if you were working the counter at CVS and someone came up and made you scan two carts of items, then said "Oh, you don't accept Apple Pay? Oh well when I don't want these items, bye!" and left the store, you would be perfectly okay with having to put each of those items back?
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You're 1% of the 2.75% of the population who has an iPhone 6. You're an insignificant statistic.
 
tlevier said:
The best part about them being in close proximity to each other? Going to CVS first, failing to use Apple Pay, let them watch you walk across the street into Walgreens and walk back with your purchase and get into your car in the CVS parking lot. That should speak volumes.
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Sure.... Cause the minimum wage employees will sit there and fume over you walking across the street. Right....

Actually they won't care. They're not watching you. Just like Walgreens, the second you turn and walk away, the cashier has already forgotten that you exist.

Employees are standing there doing their time, and anxious for their shift to end. They're not even thinking about you. You are simply a thing that sets other things on a counter for them to place in a bag. Think of yourself as the conveyor belt. Stuff shows up, they bag it, and as you leave, another faceless object sets more stuff down for them to place in bags.

No employee really cares what you do after you're not bothering them. Go do some cartwheels, flips, or fly like superman to the competition. No one will care.

The only thing they'll possibly notice, is that whatever was handing things to them is no longer in front of them.

Beyond that, they don't care. You are only self important to yourself.
 
spectrumfox said:
That's no excuse to willfully give the checker more work to do just because you don't like the fact that the company they work for won't let you pay with your iPhone.

They have no power to change company policy, they're just trying to scrape out a living.
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I know but I had to throw it out there. ☺️

That said, I use Walgreens for our prescription needs, etc. and will make it a point to avoid CVS, etc.

It really quite childish not to accept Apple Pay. That is basicly like saying you will accept Visa but not MasterCard.
 
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samcraig said:
What does a compromised system have anything to do with my post?
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Well for starters, your last post was a mess as you attempted (but failed) to address all the points you wanted to make.

Try again.

Tip: focus on one topic and try to support them with facts.
 
Now I have to laugh at some posts when re-reading this thread.

So it's not OK that some retailers are choosing to work towards eschewing bank fees to increase profits. But it's OK for Apple to take a % of every transaction through Apple Pay to increase their profits.

Forget about the security argument for a second. Because at the end of the day - these corporations are about profits.
 
samcraig said:
Now I have to laugh at some posts when re-reading this thread.

So it's not OK that some retailers are choosing to work towards eschewing bank fees to increase profits. But it's OK for Apple to take a % of every transaction through Apple Pay to increase their profits.

Forget about the security argument for a second. Because at the end of the day - these corporations are about profits.
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Good point.
 
Noble Actual said:
Well for starters, your last post was a mess as you attempted (but failed) to address all the points you wanted to make.

Try again.

Tip: focus on one topic and try to support them with facts.
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Sorry - what?

If you can't follow my post - that's your issue. What facts do you need to support my post?

Thanks for your useless tip. :rolleyes:
 
spectrumfox said:
So you're telling me if you were working the counter at CVS and someone came up and made you scan two carts of items, then said "Oh, you don't accept Apple Pay? Oh well when I don't want these items, bye!" and left the store, you would be perfectly okay with having to put each of those items back?

And then afterwards you would be fine with going to your manager and saying, "You know, some guy came into the store and refused to buy two carts of items because we don't support Apple Pay. Maybe we should reconsider that policy"?

Who are you trying to fool here? You would be pissed off and you wouldn't care one bit about the customer.
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Yeah, I've worked retail. So big deal, put cart of stuff back on the shelf. You don't have any idea how many times a day retail employees do that already. It's just a mindless part of the day. I considered it my break time.

Yeah, fill em up, drop them here please. Now I can take a mindless break and put these items back on the shelf again like I've already done every chance I got today.

And, no, I wouldn't bother trying to sway my manager. And no I would be upset.

Restocking merchandise from carts was something I did dozens of times a day in retail. And, it was the easiest part of my day.

You are right about one part. I wouldn't care one bit about the customer. They're gone, not my problem now.
 
My health insurance requires me to use CVS for long-term prescriptions. I use an HSA debit card to pay my out-of-pocket expenses, but I would often buy incidentals from CVS while I was there. I won't be doing that any longer.

CVS doesn't get it: it's not about "convenience". It's about security. :apple:Pay allows me to avoid giving them a real credit card number. Do they really think I'm going to give them the ability to draft our checking account?
 
robjulo said:
Yes, gosh forbid you get sent coupons for things you purchase. If you re shopping at Kroger, unless you are a fool, you are already giving them your "data" when you swipe your Kroger card. This privacy shtick is getting out of hand.
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Except it's your decision to swipe your Kroger card. CurrentC wants to take that choice out of your hands by "conveniently" making it the only "secure" payment option other than cash.

Hint: ACH debits are a security nightmare.
 
This is pointless

Apple will soon have 70% of the functioning smartphone market in the US. That group probably earns 90% of the US income. I'm just guessing at this, it might closer to 99% or lower like 60%, but it is definitely a solid majority. But the point is, that if Apple takes CurrentC out of the App store, then it is done as an application. It will not be used as an Android App in significant numbers. Apple has a huge monopoly. The individual companies can't fight it. It will take government action. But that phase of this game is years down the road. It will stay further down the road if Apple continues to act nice. But Apple doesn't have to. It can end CurrentC anytime it wants.
 
tmiw said:
Except it's your decision to swipe your Kroger card. CurrentC wants to take that choice out of your hands by "conveniently" making it the only "secure" payment option other than cash.

Hint: ACH debits are a security nightmare.
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Really - so these stores won't accept credit cards - ONLY their own store cards?
 
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