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And the big issue will be if the MCX/CurrentC app gain any traction. I imagine the MCX group will try to hold out for as long as they can to try to push smartphone use to CurrentC. Despite all the revolt talk around here, I doubt Target, Walmart, Best Buy etc. are going to see a big enough hit to make a rash decision. They know the same customers who are mad they can't use Apple Pay, will likely just whip out the same cc/debit card they use today.
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yes, but then those retailers will incur the interchange fees that go to visa MC and AMEX, which is the whole reason that Walmart started MCX.

Since AMEX has the highest interchange fees, maybe we should all use AMEX at cvs and rite aid now.
 
Well, that would just open up new problems. Apple can't do that.

What problems? I can see the FTC sniffing around about monopolies, but Apple doesn't need to advertise that they're doing it due to CurrentC. It's a privacy issue actually. All stores participating is CurrentC will be sharing privacy data - medical information and buying habits as well as where products were bought. For that alone, Apple can pull them. Remember, Apple has removed Apps for far less. Apple should let them be aware that without their cooperation, CurrentC is DOA.
 
If a store intentionally blocks Apple Pay, I will explain to the cashier that I will simply stop shopping there, and follow up with a complaint to corporate.

It may make sense to mobilze customer backlash by shaming these companies. Perhaps a website with instructions on where to find a competitor that does take Apple Pay near a store that does not.
 
yes, but then those retailers will incur the interchange fees that go to visa MC and AMEX, which is the whole reason that Walmart started MCX.

Since AMEX has the highest interchange fees, maybe we should all use AMEX at cvs and rite aid now.
Can't do that. I'm doing my shopping at Walgreens now, so I can use Apple Pay.
 
I hadn't heard of MCX until recently, and I believe most of the consortium's current customers are unaware of it's impending (2015) launch. What will be interesting to watch is when they do initiate the CurrentC program, though. From the various documents/sources that have been listed throughout the thread, it appears that once they bring the program online, the only pay options at Walmart, Target, et al, will be cash, CurrentC, or the store-issued credit/debit cards (Target RedCard, etc).

I can't believe their customers will flock to tie in their checking/savings accounts directly to these stores. Our (small) company offers direct deposit of paychecks, and over half of our employees refuse it because they just don't trust the idea of any entity having direct access to their bank account. It's a very small sample, I know, but I have an idea that a lot of people are leery of that, so I'lll be curious to see how their roll out is.

There's a whole lot of fail in their proposed process. I'm fairly certain reversing/disputing a charge through ACH is a lot more cumbersome than dealing with a credit card company. And why the hell do they need to track your health data??? Privacy much? Give them your SSN and drivers license to nicely tie in with your checking account number? Yes, just the information I'd like Target and Walmart to have.

On the plus side is an item I gleaned from the sources. If it's correct it offers some hope - apparently the merchants signing up with MCX had to sign a 3-year exclusivity agreement from the date they signed up. There is speculation that some of the merchants are nearing the end of their exclusivity agreement (if they got on board in 2012), and so may be able to reinstate NFC payments and take bank-issued credit cards when that ends. I hope so, at least.

Apple did what it does best - developed a process that is clean, elegant, and a win for both sides. The CC companies like it because it offers much better protection against fraud, the customers win because we get better security and a quick and smooth checkout experience. MCX is so clearly only a 'win' for the merchant, which no thought for the customers' security or convenience. The whole process is so clunky and outdated, I can't imagine it will gain any traction.

Agree with this entire post.
 
I can't believe their customers will flock to tie in their checking/savings accounts directly to these stores. Our (small) company offers direct deposit of paychecks, and over half of our employees refuse it because they just don't trust the idea of any entity having direct access to their bank account. It's a very small sample, I know, but I have an idea that a lot of people are leery of that, so I'lll be curious to see how their roll out is.

It's even worse than that. Another poster pointed this out:

http://support.currentc.com/#Account-Maintenance

Enter your personal information – Note: Driver’s license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone.
 
The 3 year exclusivity thing is an excellent point. A lot of people are mad at CVS...but I imagine some people in their leadership see CurrentC as a sinking ship but have to abide by their agreement...

I especially wonder this about companies like Target who put their feet in both camps.

Yes - I'm still wrapping my mind around the idea that their leadership would really want to lock out anyone who didn't opt to sign up for that stupid ACH/QR code payment, or use the company-issued credit/debit card. It just seems so shortsighted on their part.

Although, I think the average customer has no idea this is even coming, so any decisions made by the MCX merchants will likely be held off until their program is actually rolled out and they see whether the uptake is worth the alienation of ApplePay/GoogleWallet users.
 
It's even worse than that. Another poster pointed this out:

http://support.currentc.com/#Account-Maintenance

Enter your personal information – Note: Driver’s license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone.

Not stored in your phone - but it sure is stored in some CurrentC cloud computer. CurrentC seems more a phishing expedition than anything else.

EDIT: Can you imagine as a CurrentC retailer having to explain to your customers that you didn't lose their credit card info to a hacker - but their bank account details, DL#, AND SSN? CurrentC's and retailers using CurrentC are going to be a huge target for hackers. You'll get a ready-made trove of identity theft - none of this pile of mostly nonworking CC's nonsense.
 
This is really easy. Remove the CurrentC app from the app store. Half it's market share evaporates. MCX is gone.

PS Google could do likewise. 95% market share evaporates.
 
It doesn't get passed on to the stores, where the customer. What the companies pay to Apple in the transaction fee, will be made up in savings from having to pay out money for fraud.

This is disappointing of CVS. But I did read that the banks pay Apple a few coins per transaction...and who knows if that gets passed on to the stores.
 
It's widely acknowledged that Apples passionate cult like fan base is unique. That's done wonders for Apple's success.

Android buyers are less attached to their phones and don't view them as cool status symbols. Therefore they are more focused on other aspects of life.

The new, free, Chip and PIN CARDS are more to their liking. No need to spend up to one thousand dollars on an iPhone just to look cool at the checkout counter.

Nope, they can use Google Wallet instead, everywhere that Apple Pay is accepted, because they both use standard NFC terminals.
 
It's even worse than that. Another poster pointed this out:

http://support.currentc.com/#Account-Maintenance

Enter your personal information – Note: Driver’s license number and social security number are used to confirm your identity. This information is not stored in your phone.

I know - it's amazingly intrusive, and wrong on so many levels. I would think (hope) that when people go to sign up for this, that requirement would scare them off. That, and the fact that the app will track health data.
 
It's widely acknowledged that Apples passionate cult like fan base is unique. That's done wonders for Apple's success.

Android buyers are less attached to their phones and don't view them as cool status symbols. Therefore they are more focused on other aspects of life.

The new, free, Chip and PIN CARDS are more to their liking. No need to spend up to one thousand dollars on an iPhone just to look cool at the checkout counter.

Most US card issuers are not and will not issue Chip and PIN - they are issuing Chip and signature cards, which are about as half-baked as they sound.
 
As I said, if Apple wasn't involved, I doubt there would be an uproar about it.


Of course is Apple wasn't involved there would be far less discussion of it on an APPLE themed forum where people come to discuss issues dealing with APPLE products and services. What else do you expect APPLE users to discuss on an APPLE forum?

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Not in the U.S. I assume you mean Europe.


If you insert the card into the chip reader it reads the chip. If you slide it along the side, where the mag strip reader is located, it reads the mag strip.
 
Of course is Apple wasn't involved there would be far less discussion of it on an APPLE themed forum where people come to discuss issues dealing with APPLE products and services. What else do you expect APPLE users to discuss on an APPLE forum?


He wants to do nothing but complain about Apple products on an Apple forum, so who knows what he expects.
 
Just saying: Aldi has an emphasis of _cheap looking_. Not being cheap. For example, there was a story in Germany how they went to a tile company to design floor tiles for all their stores that were high quality, extremely long lasting, and _cheap looking_. In the UK, most of their goods are made by well-known German companies but in different packaging using made-up brand names.

No, I understand, but I think it is a bit odd, to just want to look like you are cheap... I also had a bad experience just this past summer while in vacation in the US to visit family. Was unaware of the cash only nature of the store, so not only could I not get the wider selection of good I was looking for, I had to go find an ATM at a gas station across the street and pay a nasty international cash advance fee, etc. Needless to say I was unimpressed and bith my wife And I both agreed we wouldn't be going back to that place ever again.
 
Maybe the ones you know.

You are correct. Obviously iPhone is a vanity purchase for the cool kids, just look at how many they sell.

Taking into consideration it's a multi use device it will be interesting to see who's interested in using Apple Pay.
 
I would NOT be surprised that a number of retailers get questioned by the FTC and the Justice Department Antitrust Division on why they deliberately are trying to shut out NFC payment systems in favor of CurrentC--a violation of the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts for deliberately locking out competitors.
 
What's going to kill CurrentC is the apparent requirement that you link your CHECKING ACCOUNT directly to them by giving them all your banking details. Lots of people are going to balk at that, Apple Pay or no Apple Pay. Seems like a giant step backward in security to me - to say nothing of the obvious true purpose of that project, which is retailer information gathering on their customers. Ick.

I agree with you and here's why:

You go to two stores, say, Home Depot and KMart, and you get one of those letters in the mail.

If you paid by credit card, and someone runs up the tab, how much fun is your life going to be? - not much, but it's a call to the CC company, and "clear those charges off my account, please," and if they don't there are protections, plus it you don't live on your credit cards, it's an inconvenience, not hell=putting.

If you paid by a system attached to your bank account, and it gets cleaned out, how much fun is your life going to be? You, essentially have to beg for your money back.
 
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