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Oh, it gets better too. From their FAQ:



They hold onto your checking account information with all their might. You can't even remove your checking account except by CALLING THEM, and even when you do - they retain all the transaction info anyway (good luck on ever getting them to not retain your SSN and DL# by the way!).

Also note the entirely conspicuous lack of anything resembling a privacy policy. I even googled for it and found nothing. This techcrunch presentation doesn't inspire confidence either - there's apparently an option for them to spy on your browser history (!) - which they helpfully let you disable. Craziness.

It gets shadier and shadier...
 
Oh, it gets better too. From their FAQ:



They hold onto your checking account information with all their might. You can't even remove your checking account except by CALLING THEM, and even when you do - they retain all the transaction info anyway (good luck on ever getting them to not retain your SSN and DL# by the way!).

Also note the entirely conspicuous lack of anything resembling a privacy policy. I even googled for it and found nothing. This techcrunch presentation doesn't inspire confidence either - there's apparently an option for them to spy on your browser history (!) - which they helpfully let you disable. Craziness.

I'm not up on all the regulations and compliance issues companies must address. But before condemning or implying MCX is evil over this - it might be interesting to find out if other organizations have the same requirements as far as holding on to ACH documentation for a set amount of time?

PayPal might be a good one to find out what their policies are since they deal with ACH.

I am not advocating for MCX's policy. I am questioning whether it's unique to them or requirement of anyone processing ACH transactions.
 
You're not seriously asking that question, are you? You know the answer to that. Just like you know that once CurrentC is rolled out, they will still offer CC payments as well.

Yes I am. It just shows how stupid it is to restrict NFC based payments when they have no problem offering traditional credit card payments.
 
2030:

Number of posts thus far.

Years of penitence to CVS for making us write 2030 posts.
 
Apple should not sign CurrentC app on appstore, end of story. Like it was with Flash player.
 
Yes I am. It just shows how stupid it is to restrict NFC based payments when they have no problem offering traditional credit card payments.

Because suddenly there's a deluge of people able to use NFC payments. And because they are getting ready to launch a competing product and don't want people adopting NFC payment options but rather their own.

In short - they want mobile payments to use their system. They'll never control those that choose not to use mobile payments.
 
It gets shadier and shadier...

The app also records your location and collects health data and transmits it to their cloud. Sounds legit to me. Sounds like they pulled off the hat trick of making something that actually seems less secure than current credit card swiping though.
 
yes, but then those retailers will incur the interchange fees that go to visa MC and AMEX, which is the whole reason that Walmart started MCX.

Since AMEX has the highest interchange fees, maybe we should all use AMEX at cvs and rite aid now.

I believe the highest fees are from debit/credit cards attached to a bank account, that also say Visa/MC on them. Over 4% vs AmEx's 3.5%. (plus a per transaction fee, probably negligible as a %) "Regular" Visa fees are below 2%.
 
Oh, it gets better too. From their FAQ:



They hold onto your checking account information with all their might. You can't even remove your checking account except by CALLING THEM, and even when you do - they retain all the transaction info anyway (good luck on ever getting them to not retain your SSN and DL# by the way!).

Also note the entirely conspicuous lack of anything resembling a privacy policy. I even googled for it and found nothing. This techcrunch presentation doesn't inspire confidence either - there's apparently an option for them to spy on your browser history (!) - which they helpfully let you disable. Craziness.


This makes me sick. All about money not about the customer at all
 
I disagree, for two reasons. First, every major change in payment method use took time to adopt. Do you think that credit/debit card use appeared overnight? How long do you think it took for a majority of stores to accept it? And second, while NFC is very obscure in the US, it is very common and widespread in many other parts of the world. The US is quite behind. For both this, and for mobile phone plans/costs.

There are certain leaps in life that are larger and have more effect than others.

For example: The adoption from VHS to DVD was significant. So much so that DVDs are STILL being sold. The jump from DVD to Blu Ray wasn't so rapid or widely accepted.

Cash to credit/debit cards was huge. I don't think it will be the same for NFC/Apple Pay. Too many obstacles to overcome. You have to have a certain phone, the merchant has to accept it, the bank has to support that card bla bla.
 
Wrong on one front. They have to accept cash.

I think all stores have to accept cash by law, but for everything else, you're right.

No they don't. Most airlines stopped accepting cash for purchases on board years ago.

In fact, straight from the fed:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law which says otherwise.
 
What abyss? On the merchant side, absolutely nothing has changed if they were already processing NFC through Visa, MC, Amex. That's why the transactions were going through. On their end, it's the same system they already implemented.

They're afraid now because Apple fixed the phone side of the experience and now it's something that people actually would want to use. They'd rather disable an entire method of payment than let people realize that Apple Pay is easy and double QR code scanning with a service that has unfettered access to your checking account is hard.

The funny thing is that he doesn't even have the list of companies right. Walgreen is one of Apple Pay's staunchest supporters and founding partners. Also look at a lot of those other companies, Kmart, Best Buy, Sears...all in serious trouble/big slumps. This is the last thing they need, being on the losing side of some payment system war that is not even part of their core business.
 
Both Apple and Microsoft executives denied that the Microsoft investment represents a path to converging the companies' operating systems. However, they said (1)they had agreed to work out a settlement to a long-standing dispute over whether Microsoft's Windows operating system infringes on any of Apple's patents.

More important, Microsoft said it has (2)pledged to offer the Office business productivity software suite for the Macintosh platform for the next five years. Mac Office 98 is expected to debut by the end of the year.


Apple, which (3)ended its third quarter with $1.2 billion in cash, will use the additional $150 million to (4)invest in its core markets of education and creative content, Anderson said. He added that the company expects to gain a higher percentage of its revenues from software and services in these core markets in the future.
I've snipped out a bunch and highlighted the actually important issues in that deal. #4 especially is absolutely pointless and shows that it means nothing to Apple long-term. But go ahead and keep up saying that Apple was "saved" by a relatively small investment which was a court settlement of a long-standing feud that cost the companies MORE than that in legal costs. I'd almost call it nominal.
 
I have a chip card in my wallet. It's nfc only. No contacts. Us chip cards are "contactless". This was just issued. There will be no cards with electrical contacts. It will all be NFC.

This couldn't be further than the truth.

I have 2 American cards with chips. Contact chips. Most chip cards in the US are contact cards. In fact, I haven't heard of any EMV cards that aren't contact chip.
 
There are certain leaps in life that are larger and have more effect than others.

For example: The adoption from VHS to DVD was significant. So much so that DVDs are STILL being sold. The jump from DVD to Blu Ray wasn't so rapid or widely accepted.

Cash to credit/debit cards was huge. I don't think it will be the same for NFC/Apple Pay. Too many obstacles to overcome. You have to have a certain phone, the merchant has to accept it, the bank has to support that card bla bla.

Your talking about Apple Pay, and the poster you've replied to is talking about NFC in general, of which Apple Pay is just one implementation.
 
Just transferred from CVS to a big new Walgreens less than a mile away - closer than CVS which I've used for years. I told Walgreens it was specifically because they accepted ApplePay that I was moving to them.

What a nonsensical business decision by CVS. I'll be sending CVS corporate an email also.
 
I know your question is a rhetorical one. You know the answer, which is that a big national or international chain like those who are members of MCX would be way too financially hurt by not accepting the almost universally ubiquitous payment method that is Visa/MC. We are all aware that actual physical cash makes up only about 3% of the "money" currently out in circulation? Going back to only accepting cash after having accepted Visa/MC labeled debit and credit cards would eliminate way too high a percentage of their business than they could bear overnight.

Here's where I'm confused. The supporters of these retailers claim its a win for them and consumers if the merchants don't have to pay these service fees. Yet apparently you'll be able to use credit cards with CurrentC system. If that's the case than clearly service fees isn't the issue here.

You obviously are being willfully disingenuous at this point. Taking the chipped cards directly will incur the EXACT SAME fee from the CC companies as taking Apple Pay.

Too many are being willfully disingenuous, like claiming that Apple's fee is 30 percent or they get a cut of the sale from merchants. Anyone not willfully spewing crap would know that Apple's business model is making money selling hardware. The fact that their iTunes/App Store revenues have been steadily increasing due to more iOS device sales is just a bonus. Apple isn't interested in making a lot of money off Pay. They're interested in building out a service/feature that gets more people buying iPhones, iPads and Watches.
 
You like being uninformed? :rolleyes:

Without Bill Gate's money Steve Jobs would not have been able to turn things around for Apple. The summer of '97 Apple's stock price was in the toilet and Apple was expected to exist for 6 more months. MS pulled Apple from the edge.
 
Flash was a plugin that Apple didn't support. Apple doesn't support plugins period. CurrentC is an app. What rule does it violate?

Duplicate functionality for one? Doesn't really matter, actually. Why are torrent clients on the App Store? I'm sure they reject CurrentC under the same umbrella.
 
Flash was a plugin that Apple didn't support. Apple doesn't support plugins period. CurrentC is an app. What rule does it violate?

This one:

Not enough lasting value

If your app doesn’t offer much functionality or content, or only applies to a small niche market, it may not be approved. Before creating your app, take a look at the apps in your category on the App Store and consider how you can provide an even better user experience.
 
Because suddenly there's a deluge of people able to use NFC payments. And because they are getting ready to launch a competing product and don't want people adopting NFC payment options but rather their own.

In short - they want mobile payments to use their system. They'll never control those that choose not to use mobile payments.

Yes, and this move just proves that they are concerned about Pay becoming popular and taking off (and perhaps having a positive effect on Google Wallwt usage as well). If they weren't there would be no reason to turn off NFC now when their solution won't be here until next year. And if their competing system is so much better for everyone then why are they afraid to allow NFC? Let the better system win.
 
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