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Before you judge Cydia. Know that most of features you use were at first in jailbreak.

- Battery graph
- Flashlight on Lock Screen
- Ability to save camera settings
- Private folder in Photos App
- Disabling transparency (probably)
- AppDrawer
- Possibility to hide apps / remove Apple Apps
- Changing some default apps
- Stacking notifications per app (I think Jailbreak gave it first)
- Keeping Facebook or other app alive (it’s done now by developers)
- Improved Control Center
- Locking apps using biometric (touch-ID in the past)
- Restart option (!!!)
- Files app (yes, iFile was first file explorer)
- Tethering because not every Carrier allowed it


Still waiting for option to open Google Maps or OSM app directly from Apple apps like mail / messages like in old good times
 
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lol ... these companies need to make legitimate software that's actually sellable, instead of trying to sue their way to wealth. I would hate to see Apple open the devices to 3rd party crap like this, it would quickly devolve to Android quality devices and software.
 
I don't want sideloading because it will eventually be required by most developers. You can't say "just don't sideload" because soon enough apps even from top developers will be unavailable in the App Store.
The current situation with the Mac disproves this - and the Mac app store was introduced into an environment where everybody was already used to "sideloading".
 
if stop & shop were the only grocery store anywhere you went, and made specific efforts to prevent other grocery stores from opening, everyone would have an issue with it.

the horror story over the existence of a 3rd party app store is predicated on the assumptions that:
-app quality goes down because apple isnt there to hold your hand
-malware will permeate the apple mobile device ecosystem
-a lot of people will even bother using it

point 1: in all the years i was jailbreaking, iphone 4 through...IIRC i think i had the iphone X jailbroken for a period of time...i had no further an issue with app quality than i do regularly through the app store. apple allows bad apps through all the time. it's up to the user to figure out the difference.

point 2: not once did i acquire any form of malware while jailbroken. there was talk of stuff like that floating around, personally didnt encounter it.

point 3: apple's mobile platform is the most babysat software platform i have interacted with. im fairly certain apple's philosophy is that the majority of their users are idiots, and need to be spoonfed just to exist. i dont imagine many of those people bothering with a 3rd party app store anyway.
 
Before you judge Cydia. Know that most of features you use were at first in jailbreak.

- Battery graph
- Flashlight on Lock Screen
- Ability to save camera settings
- Private folder in Photos App
- Disabling transparency (probably)
- AppDrawer
- Possibility to hide apps / remove Apple Apps
- Changing some default apps
- Stacking notifications per app (I think Jailbreak gave it first)
- Keeping Facebook or other app alive (it’s done now by developers)
- Improved Control Center
- Locking apps using biometric (touch-ID in the past)
- Restart option (!!!)
- Files app (yes, iFile was first file explorer)
- Tethering because not every Carrier allowed it


Still waiting for option to open Google Maps or OSM app directly from Apple apps like mail / messages like in old good times
The very first iPhone that I had was jailbroken so I could use it on T-Mobile, that was the only way that I knew of then to unlock the OG iPhone. Cydia was awesome because I wasn't limited to the on board Apple apps or those terrible web apps that Apple tried to push.
 
lol ... these companies need to make legitimate software that's actually sellable, instead of trying to sue their way to wealth.
And how exactly is a company supposed to sell their software to iOS users when Apple blocks it from being on their App Store?

Just because you don't think it's useful or "legitimate" doesn't mean everyone else does. Let the market decide.
 
I don't want sideloading because it will eventually be required by most developers. You can't say "just don't sideload" because soon enough apps even from top developers will be unavailable in the App Store. Once sideloading becomes an option on iOS, it will become a necessity. You'll end up having the Microsoft Store, the Adobe Store, Facebook Store, Epic (remember them?) Store, Zynga, King, Google, etc., all with their own licensing agreements, billing, return policies, storage use, bandwidth use, etc.

When something goes wrong, developers of sideloaded apps will point fingers at each other, Apple, and the user, and they will never accept responsibility. The user will be left with no recourse.

I trust Apple far more than random developer #329487 when it comes to security and privacy.
But you can have other app stores inside of Android and that really isn't the case. Users will have to be aware of other App Stores to use them and a lot of iOS users will most likely just use the Apple App Store. My work phone has the Samsung store and I still use the Play Store. I read about users installing the Play Store on Amazon devices because the Amazon App Store is so limited. I don't think it will be an issue, I imagine that most major developers would stay on the Apple App Store to maximize users.
 
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Microsoft Excel is just a spreadsheet processing program. You can get spreadsheet processors at lots of places.
Whoa there, pardner. That's like saying Usain Bolt is just a fast runner. Excel is THE spreadsheet processing program. No bean counter worth his green visor would use another spreadsheet program.
And how exactly is a company supposed to sell their software to iOS users when Apple blocks it from being on their App Store?
iDOS 2 or any emulation software for that matter. I want to play Castle Wolfenstien in it's original glory when the nostalgia bug bites.
Just because you don't think it's useful or "legitimate" doesn't mean everyone else does. Let the market decide.
Yeah. Google decided to ban real firewalls from the PlayStore. Curse ye, Google. May the fleas from a thousand camels infest your armpits.🤨 Good thing I can sideload a firewall.🥳
 
I don't want sideloading because it will eventually be required by most developers. You can't say "just don't sideload" because soon enough apps even from top developers will be unavailable in the App Store. Once sideloading becomes an option on iOS, it will become a necessity. You'll end up having the Microsoft Store, the Adobe Store, Facebook Store, Epic (remember them?) Store, Zynga, King, Google, etc., all with their own licensing agreements, billing, return policies, storage use, bandwidth use, etc.

When something goes wrong, developers of sideloaded apps will point fingers at each other, Apple, and the user, and they will never accept responsibility. The user will be left with no recourse.

I trust Apple far more than random developer #329487 when it comes to security and privacy.
Sideloading has been possible on Android for many years. Has it been a problem over there in this regard? I'm not aware of any big name developers/companies that force you to sideload their apps. They are always available in the app stores. Are there any that force you to sideload?

I think if a developer/company wants to be reputable and trusted, they'd go through the proper channels.
 
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I’m trying to read this on my Cydiaphone. But seriously given the prevalence of malware on android - Apple is not wrong. But here is the thing, why doesn’t cydia sell subscriptions et all on their site and have apps downloaded from App Store. The App Store requirement is that customers have to be allowed to sign up from the app, not that they must. Ergo see Spotify
 
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And how exactly is a company supposed to sell their software to iOS users when Apple blocks it from being on their App Store?

Just because you don't think it's useful or "legitimate" doesn't mean everyone else does. Let the market decide.
By the market you mean have an entrepreneur develop and market a new cellular phone, and let anyone create an App Store and sideload.

Because there is no reason apple should open itself up to letting the market decide.
 
What if Apple built in an android app emulator in a sandbox so that you could side load any android app in your iPhone.
Not only could you bring all the apps over that you purchased on the Google store but it would open the door for existing iOS users.
Wouldn't that be the killer app?:cool:
 
I do not care much about alternative App Stores or side loading on iOS, since the App Store is open for every developer and developers are free to set prices for their apps, but I wish there were alternative Stores on Xbox, Playstation and Switch, cuz those platforms are pretty closed for indie devs and you are not allowed just develop an app for yourself, like you can do it on iOS.
 
Pretty sure if Apple added a popup on iOS asking "Would you like to enable side loading?", 99.999% of users would click no. (as none would understand the question nor care)
Which, I think accurately captures why it’s not even worth it for Apple to do it. That’s a significant effort to cater to that much less than 1% of the market. On the other hand, if they DON’T do it, 99.999% of users would still buy iPhones, so it’s not even something that would help sell iPhones.
 
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That's great that Apple refunded you for the bad apps themselves. But will Apple offer compensation for the damage that using a bad app they let onto their App Store caused you or this guy? I'm going to say no.



Apple should when they say they "review all apps, app updates, app bundles, in-app purchases, and in-app events submitted to the App Store to help provide a safe and trusted experience for users"
You think side loading is the answer here? You’re fighting a straw man argument here
 
🤣 This is like a telephone monopoly (Bell System) saying they don't have a monopoly since they face stiff competition from tin can and string manufacturers
Well, Bell System had a monopoly over a market that can be accurately defined without using any of Bell System’s trademarked properties… telecommunications. No one said that Bell System had an unfair monopoly over the things that the Bell System legally produced.

Anyone indicating that Apple has a monopoly can’t define the market they believe Apple to have a monopoly in without using the name of Apple’s trademarked properties.
 
A McRib is just ribs. You can get ribs at lots of places. But you can only get iOS apps at the Apple app store.
Well, I mean, if you think McRib is ribs… :)

McDonald’s makes the McDonald’s McRib and 100% controls the McDonald’s McRib.
Apple makes the Apple iPhone, and the Apple iOS App Store and 100% controls both.
 
Exactly! The same way it’s a no brainier anyone would want to use any other store apart from the AppStore.
Apple is rigging the race by allowing only one runner.😑 If Eddie the Eagle was the only ski jumper or Eric the Eel was the only swimmer allowed in the Olympics guess who's getting the gold?

Google wasn't afraid of the competition from Samsung's Galaxy Store or Amazon's Appstore or hundreds of questionable appstores floating around. I only use the PlayStore...and sideloading.
 
Does Apple stop a lot of bad apps from getting onto the App Store? Yes. I don't think anyone is really denying that.

But Apple also lets in a lot of fake, scam, and copy-cat apps.

Ah...OK. You're one of the people who demand 100.000000% perfection 100.000000% of the time. You might find that possible on planet Zrekstantitipilinga in the Krezb galaxy.

Certainly not here on planet Earth where humans and tech are involved.
 
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