Cydia Files Appeal in Higher Court in Legal Battle Against Apple

[npmacuser5]

A McRib is just ribs. You can get ribs at lots of places. But you can only get iOS apps at the Apple app store.

You cannot get McRibs anywhere, now can you? Never in my experience did I see McRibs on any menu other than McDonalds. You mean generic ribs (Apps). Those are sold at Android stores. Want speciality ribs (Apps) they are sold exclusively at Apple stores. We need to sue every exclusive brand and require their products be sold everywhere.

 

[webkit]

McDonald’s has an illegal monopoly over the McRib! I should be able to get a McRib anywhere at any time of the year and not just when the overlords at McDonald’s decides to bless us with one.

And why can't I get my Whopper at McDonald's?! There's no Burger King near me, but I want a Whopper. McDonald's is stifling competition by not letting Burger King offer the Whopper at McDonald's.

Not fair comparisons. Neither McDonald's nor Burger King dominate the "fast food" restaurant market like Apple dominates the mobile OS market. Apple's iOS (and therefore the App Store) has around 55% to 60% share in the U.S.

Also, this is not about Apple and its own apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, GarageBand, Safari, etc. No one is saying here that Apple should have to make Pages, Safari, etc. available on Android or anywhere else. Apple is free to only offer those apps on Apple devices.

 

[cashboxz02]

The fact that Apple won't allow even torrent clients onto their App Store really says a lot. There's plenty of legitimate and obscure content to be had using torrents. inb4 but mostly enables illegal. If that's the case, then Apple shouldn't allow safari downloads either, or viewing videos through safari.

Apple won't even allow open-source emulators onto their App Store. At the very least, Apple should allow open-source stuff to be allowed on the App Store, or be compiled using their App Store interface, by putting in the GitHub link.

 

[Unami]

I still have an old ipod touch 2g with cydia, SBsettings and a driver with which I could use the 3G internet of my 2009 phone via a bluetooth connection. There was even a task-manager that showed ram usage so you could kill other apps when an app would crash on startup. Most of that stuff was eventually copied by apple, but still, good times.

I hope, Saurik succeeds, he did a lot for iOS in it's early days.

 

[Stevez67]

Not fair comparisons. Neither McDonald's nor Burger King dominate the "fast food" restaurant market like Apple dominates the mobile OS market. Apple's iOS (and therefore the App Store) has around 55% to 60% share in the U.S.

Also, this is not about Apple and its own apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, GarageBand, Safari, etc. No one is saying here that Apple should have to make Pages, Safari, etc. available on Android or anywhere else. Apple is free to only offer those apps on Apple devices.

Apple doesn't dominate the mobile OS market; Android does (more Android OS devices worldwide than Apple devices). Apple does dominate the iOS market, an OS that they created and maintain for only their devices.

 

[mcnallym]

Really if Apple doesn’t have features you want why are you buying Apple products and not buying Android.

other then very specific Apple apps then what is it that can do on an iPhone that cannot do on Android.

and what Apple app is it that has no equivalent on Android So that you are FORCED to buy Apple.

 

[webkit]

Apple doesn't dominate the mobile OS market; Android does (more Android OS devices worldwide than Apple devices). Apple does dominate the iOS market, an OS that they created and maintain for only their devices.

This suit is being handled in the U.S. and in the U.S., iOS has around 55% to 60% share of the mobile OS market. Android basically has the rest at around 40% to 45%. Any outcome from this suit could be limited to just the U.S. market where, again, Apple's iOS has the larger share.

However, if Google/Android also restricted alternative app stores and/or sideloading they would likely be caught up in a similar suit anyway. Apple/iOS and Google/Android dominate the mobile OS market but only Apple is "unfairly" restricting app stores, sideloading, etc.

 

[Jake James]

Really if Apple doesn’t have features you want why are you buying Apple products and not buying Android.

other then very specific Apple apps then what is it that can do on an iPhone that cannot do on Android.

and what Apple app is it that has no equivalent on Android So that you are FORCED to buy Apple.

Because there's far more things Android doesn't have compared to iOS. Android has freedom but is bloated, has no stable and good ecosystem, no constant updates etc.; it lacks all the things that make iOS good. I'm not switching to Android to gain one thing and lose everything else.

 

[scowl]

I don't want sideloading because it will eventually be required by most developers. You can't say "just don't sideload" because soon enough apps even from top developers will be unavailable in the App Store. Once sideloading becomes an option on iOS, it will become a necessity. You'll end up having the Microsoft Store, the Adobe Store, Facebook Store, Epic (remember them?) Store, Zynga, King, Google, etc., all with their own licensing agreements, billing, return policies, storage use, bandwidth use, etc.

When something goes wrong, developers of sideloaded apps will point fingers at each other, Apple, and the user, and they will never accept responsibility. The user will be left with no recourse.

I trust Apple far more than random developer #329487 when it comes to security and privacy.

Laughable take here. Your Susans and Kyles are never going to venture away from the App Store. Pretty sure that most people who sideload are able to take of any issues that may arise on their own, or are capable of seeking out answers on various forums. Funny enough, I've never had any issues sideloading apps for a decade on Android.

 

[Jake James]

Apple doesn't dominate the mobile OS market; Android does (more Android OS devices worldwide than Apple devices). Apple does dominate the iOS market, an OS that they created and maintain for only their devices.

Exactly why I don't think it matters if Apple dominates the mobile OS market or not, they still dominate the iOS app market and that's a bad thing.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Not fair comparisons. Neither McDonald's nor Burger King dominate the "fast food" restaurant market like Apple dominates the mobile OS market. Apple's iOS (and therefore the App Store) has around 55% to 60% share in the U.S.

McDonald’s dominates the “McDonald’s fast food” market in the same way Cydia claims that Apple dominates the “Apple App Store” market. 100%

 

[Jake James]

You cannot get McRibs anywhere, now can you? Never in my experience did I see McRibs on any menu other than McDonalds. You mean generic ribs (Apps). Those are sold at Android stores. Want speciality ribs (Apps) they are sold exclusively at Apple stores. We need to sue every exclusive brand and require their products be sold everywhere.

McDonalds chooses to sell McRibs only at their store. I'm sure if they wanted they'd make them available elsewhere. iOS app developers should also be able to choose how they sell their iOS apps, but they can't.

 

[npmacuser5]

McDonalds chooses to sell McRibs only at their store. I'm sure if they wanted they'd make them available elsewhere. iOS app developers should also be able to choose how they sell their iOS apps, but they can't.

Called sell them in the Android store. Your example!

 

[SFjohn]

McDonalds chooses to sell McRibs only at their store. I'm sure if they wanted they'd make them available elsewhere. iOS app developers should also be able to choose how they sell their iOS apps, but they can't.

Seriously? Most app developers write software for both iOS and Android, they totally are free to choose who to make their apps for.

 

[omihek]

Not fair comparisons. Neither McDonald's nor Burger King dominate the "fast food" restaurant market like Apple dominates the mobile OS market. Apple's iOS (and therefore the App Store) has around 55% to 60% share in the U.S.

Also, this is not about Apple and its own apps like Pages, Numbers, Keynote, GarageBand, Safari, etc. No one is saying here that Apple should have to make Pages, Safari, etc. available on Android or anywhere else. Apple is free to only offer those apps on Apple devices.

First of all, when I hear "dominating", I'm thinking more than barely over half of the marketshare. Secondly, are you saying we should only stop letting companies decide how they do business when they get to be a certain size? Apple has been doing it this way since the beginning, when they had almost none of the mobile phone marketshare. If it wasn't a problem then, why is it a problem now?

 

[DanTheMan827]

Oh, Cydia. Go make your own phone. Or better yet, try to set up your own store inside a Wal-Mart.

Cydia doesn't want to set up a store within another, they want the ability to build a store at all without Apple playing monopolist and snuffing it out.

 

[scowl]

Let's not forget that EU is likely going to be adopting DMA sometime this month which would force Apple to allow third party app stores and sideloading.

 

[SFjohn]

Honestly people buy iPhones because of Apple’s Walled Garden & iOS. If you want to sideload apps on an iPhone you can jailbreak it, but you’d be better off with Android. Apples’s alleged monopoly on iOS has already been litigated and found that it’s not a monopoly.

 

[DanTheMan827]

Before you judge Cydia. Know that most of features you use were at first in jailbreak.

- Battery graph
- Flashlight on Lock Screen
- Ability to save camera settings
- Private folder in Photos App
- Disabling transparency (probably)
- AppDrawer
- Possibility to hide apps / remove Apple Apps
- Changing some default apps
- Stacking notifications per app (I think Jailbreak gave it first)
- Keeping Facebook or other app alive (it’s done now by developers)
- Improved Control Center
- Locking apps using biometric (touch-ID in the past)
- Restart option (!!!)
- Files app (yes, iFile was first file explorer)
- Tethering because not every Carrier allowed it


Still waiting for option to open Google Maps or OSM app directly from Apple apps like mail / messages like in old good times

Don't forget simultaneous multitasking on the iPad all the way back on iOS 5

This Is What True Multitasking In iOS 6 Should Look Like [Video]

http://youtu.be/7cYWha8YFi8 When Windows 8 debuts as a tablet OS later this year, it will have one major advantage over the iPad for people who want to

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[CarAnalogy]

I don't want sideloading because it will eventually be required by most developers. You can't say "just don't sideload" because soon enough apps even from top developers will be unavailable in the App Store. Once sideloading becomes an option on iOS, it will become a necessity. You'll end up having the Microsoft Store, the Adobe Store, Facebook Store, Epic (remember them?) Store, Zynga, King, Google, etc., all with their own licensing agreements, billing, return policies, storage use, bandwidth use, etc.

When something goes wrong, developers of sideloaded apps will point fingers at each other, Apple, and the user, and they will never accept responsibility. The user will be left with no recourse.

I trust Apple far more than random developer #329487 when it comes to security and privacy.

See this is why IT is all cyclical. When I was coming up, we bought software from the developer and then ran it on our own computers without the permission of the OS vendor.

I get it, I know why we started doing app stores, to fix the mess you describe.

But it seems like we've come full circle eh?

Appropriately timed XKCD:

All software development, eventually

 

[omihek]

if stop & shop were the only grocery store anywhere you went, and made specific efforts to prevent other grocery stores from opening, everyone would have an issue with it.

Apple is not the only company with a phone or app store available. And if Apple made specific efforts to prevent other companies from building and selling phones or OSes, everyone would have an issue with that too. But they aren't doing that.

 

[addamas]

Don't forget simultaneous multitasking on the iPad all the way back on iOS 5

This Is What True Multitasking In iOS 6 Should Look Like [Video]

http://youtu.be/7cYWha8YFi8 When Windows 8 debuts as a tablet OS later this year, it will have one major advantage over the iPad for people who want to

www.cultofmac.com

You bring me back memories of iPhone SE 1 Gen being able to show 2 apps like landscape mode in jailbreak.

Thank you 🙏 (for everyone: that’s high five)

 

[DanTheMan827]

Which, I think accurately captures why it’s not even worth it for Apple to do it. That’s a significant effort to cater to that much less than 1% of the market. On the other hand, if they DON’T do it, 99.999% of users would still buy iPhones, so it’s not even something that would help sell iPhones.

If it's only 1% of the market, why does Apple care so much about making it impossible to sideload?

Why not just allow it for the 1% and take a fraction of a loss of that 1% because even those users will still use the App Store.

 

[DanTheMan827]

Apple doesn't dominate the mobile OS market; Android does (more Android OS devices worldwide than Apple devices). Apple does dominate the iOS market, an OS that they created and maintain for only their devices.

Apple easily dominates the mobile market in the US where this is taking place.

In the EU you have the DMA, and Apple has far less market share going on there... and yet they'll still be forced to allow sideloading.

It's only a matter of time.

 

[citysnaps]

Laughable take here. Your Susans and Kyles are never going to venture away from the App Store. Pretty sure that most people who sideload are able to take of any issues that may arise on their own, or are capable of seeking out answers on various forums. Funny enough, I've never had any issues sideloading apps for a decade on Android.

Hardly laughable.

Your ignoring the reputational harm and adverse publicity Apple would suffer if even a couple hundred or more tech-savvy Apple customers side loaded apps into Apple devices that resulted in fraud or security/privacy breaches.