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Originally posted by etoiles
Well, but Saddam is an immediate threat to the US, right ? Mmmmm, let me see. The government bent over backwards to pull some solid proof 'out of its @ss', there has been lies, dubious quotes and rather insignificant discoveries...the governement still claims to posses proof that Saddam is the biggest threat. The world has not seen any of it. The UN has not seen it. The only other governments that agree are courting the US economically...it is just a bit too suspicious in my mind...
Yeah, good idea. Lets give the UN and ultimately Saddam the names of every double agent we have in Iraq and every phone line we've tapped, all the documents we've seen and stolen... Are you catching my hint here? The point is giving away that kind of intelligence will only do damage to our troops on the ground when a possible war breaks out. Iraq was suppose to put all of their weapons on the table ready to be destroyed. South Africa did this without trouble. Saddam instead tried to do what he's done for the last 12 years is hide his weapons and bide his time. At this rate inspections would have never ended, France would have seen to it.
I don't suppose you've thought of the penalty for spying in Iraq. There aren't any laws against cruel and unusual punishment there...
I just wish that people would give up a list of the weapons that we sold him.
Wait, was it the Soviet T-72's? Or the T-60's and 50's? Was it the Soviet ZSU23's? Was it the Mig 21's, 25's, 29's? I know the SU-27 Flankers. Yea, those are American made. How about the MI-24's? The MI-28's? How about the Mirage jets? Skuds? Yep, those are all American made.
What a joke!
Wait, was it the Soviet T-72's? Or the T-60's and 50's? Was it the Soviet ZSU23's? Was it the Mig 21's, 25's, 29's? I know the SU-27 Flankers. Yea, those are American made. How about the MI-24's? The MI-28's? How about the Mirage jets? Skuds? Yep, those are all American made.
What a joke!
Originally posted by beatle888
Take the sentance you like and miss the entire point of my argument.
Off topic.
For some reason I thought you were against this war?!? I don't know why I thought that. Are you Navy Intel? EX Sonar Tech Subs here.
Class. I applaud you for this act of class. Very cool of you.
Why did you give me so much ****? I served
Does not mean that the US was never involved:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...ode=&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29¬Found=true
Although U.S. arms manufacturers were not as deeply involved as German or British companies in selling weaponry to Iraq, the Reagan administration effectively turned a blind eye to the export of "dual use" items such as chemical precursors and steel tubes that can have military and civilian applications. According to several former officials, the State and Commerce departments promoted trade in such items as a way to boost U.S. exports and acquire political leverage over Hussein.
When United Nations weapons inspectors were allowed into Iraq after the 1991 Gulf War, they compiled long lists of chemicals, missile components, and computers from American suppliers, including such household names as Union Carbide and Honeywell, which were being used for military purposes.
A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee turned up dozens of biological agents shipped to Iraq during the mid-'80s under license from the Commerce Department, including various strains of anthrax, subsequently identified by the Pentagon as a key component of the Iraqi biological warfare program. The Commerce Department also approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare.
see, this is what gets me. why did we turn a blind eye to saddams slaughter THEN. im sure it was political.
so we arent this savior acting out of the goodness of our heart. its just what we are saying NOW to justify this war. but if it were true, that we are trying to free the iraqi people and stablize world peace, how come we turned away when he killed his own people?
im all for backing up my country and standing for truth and justice but im sorta concerned that truth and justice might not be america... i hope it is, but why all these conflicting actions on our part.
so we arent this savior acting out of the goodness of our heart. its just what we are saying NOW to justify this war. but if it were true, that we are trying to free the iraqi people and stablize world peace, how come we turned away when he killed his own people?
im all for backing up my country and standing for truth and justice but im sorta concerned that truth and justice might not be america...
i hope it is, but why all these conflicting actions on our part.
it makes me sick. this is what upsets me most. how am i suppose to believe in anything the united states tells me if one minute we're playing the savior and the next we turn a blind eye because it suites our interest as we throw truth and justice out the window.
how can anyone here be 100% for the war knowing that we lack integrity?
how can anyone here be 100% for the war knowing that we lack integrity?
Ok, so put forth some good reasons why not to stop saddam. Tell me why we should stay out of Iraq, and let the weapons inspections go on. How would that be better?
You'll have to excuse me, though. I'm from Texas, but what's worse, I'm from one of the only democratic parts of Texas. So many people are too busy 'preaching peace' that they fail to realize the dangers around them.
Now, you liberals, fight back. Tell us what we should be doing. Question our government. Make us conservatives think twice about what we're doing and saying.
Zion grail- ok, so you oppose the war, but what do you propose we do instead? I'd be interested to hear. Just don't say "war is bad, we shouldn't go" because that doesn't say anything.
Man, you folks love to point out that all war is over oil. Is war ever fought over anything else. I guess WWII was over oil, get real.
As for the statement about arming Iraq. Sure they bought from companies here that sold products that were dual use. So was that done with malace? Did the companies sell to iraq knowing that they would go the bad route with their products? Need to have more proof of that assertion. Still please answer my post as to the nature of the Iraqi military. Can you please find weapons that were made in the US?
Would it suprise you to learn that last year a very prominent conservative figure head, Ann Coulter, said, and I quote...
The bold/italics I added in to emphasize the weight of the comment.
You're right. It definately goes both ways.
G4Scott: That may wind up becoming a very long post. I've got to go get my car worked on right now (it's a recall, so at least it's free), but I'll take my laptop with me and work on a few ideas I've been toying with. I'll PM you later this evening with my response.
sorry Zion Grail to continue the argument. I know it is not going anywere, but I can't help it...(picture mosquito flying towards the light....zzzzzggp..)
the point is not where the weapons were built or where they were shipped from, it is where support came from...
The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 30, 2002; Page A01
the point is not where the weapons were built or where they were shipped from, it is where support came from...The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq's acquisition of chemical and biological precursors -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, December 30, 2002; Page A01
Actually, mosquitos don't go for light. They hunt by smell. That's why "bug zappers" don't work for mosquitos, and why products like "Off!" are more successful.
Originally posted by Zion Grail
Actually, mosquitos don't go for light. They hunt by smell. That's why "bug zappers" don't work for mosquitos, and why products like "Off!" are more successful.
this is bad, when we correct each other on small, pointless stuff like this. It's funny, though. That post was the comic relief of this thread... We all need a little laughter, even in times of war.