The true movers, revolutionaries, and changers of the world are the ones that always attract the most haters and vilification.
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Danny Boyle on 'Steve Jobs': Casting Michael Fassbender, Apple's Lack of Involvement, Accuracy
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The true movers, revolutionaries, and changers of the world are the ones that always attract the most haters and vilification.
You asked a question. Here's the answer. There were Walkmans before iPods. There were mobile phones before the iPhone.
We probably would have gotten to this pathetic point (and make no mistake, it is pathetic) but maybe 5-10 years behind Jobs' acceleration of the demise.
Not as much as the kid in the crowd yelling the dead Emperor is naked.
Nobody asked for anything capitalistic.
He didn't respond, the truth is that you, and him, never did something meaningful, yet you are criticizing a man that did something positive.
And you probability are even worse at family.
There are a lot of patents with his name on it.
Like it's a small deal
He did support his daughter, and his daughter lived with his father and her stepmother, and not with his biological mother.
So he really must be the worse.
Yes, I'll deny it.
He was a deadbeat dad even after he got rich. It wasn't the money that caused him to admit Lisa was his daughter. Something else happened, and only he knows what. I don't know what it was, and you don't know what it was. We will probably never know.
Wow, it's been a while since I've seen so much hate on this forum. Are you guys serious?
I, for one, am going to see the movie. Then I'll draw a conclusion as to if it's a good movie or not.
Was Steve Jobs a good man? He was brilliant, albeit flawed. But I'm flawed too. Not up to me to judge his character. Hopefully the movie shows both sides. But for some of you, relax. Sheesh.
I, for one, am going to see the movie. Then I'll draw a conclusion as to if it's a good movie or not.
Was Steve Jobs a good man? He was brilliant, albeit flawed. But I'm flawed too. Not up to me to judge his character. Hopefully the movie shows both sides. But for some of you, relax. Sheesh.
Having a name on a patent doesn't mean he designed or invented anything on the product. I thought that was pretty much obvious?
Also Steve Jobs himself admitted and apologised that he was pretty much a dead beat dad, and he himself said he didn't take responsibility.
He gave her money because the courts forced him to. And even after DNA tests he continued to deny her as his daughter. This is FACT.
You don't even know me, or my name, or what I do, or what I have done.
Yet you accuse me of being bad to my family? *******
Oh and I might not have done something on the scale of jobs but I am involved each day at designing and modeling large buildings and complexes for people
but hey that is nothing.
The grain of sand doesn't make the pearl, but it's still at the center of every one.
Considering that his biological parents didn't keep him; I'd say the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. (no pun intended)
That's precisely what having your name, besides "Apple, Inc." on a patent means.
Yes, and then he solved the problem.
DNA tests in the 70's were hit or miss.
But you know Steve Jobs personally. Since the 70's!
Yet you accuse me of being bad to my family? *******
Oh and I might not have done something on the scale of jobs but I am involved each day at designing and modeling large buildings and complexes for people
Call me when you have designed and built a building that's not large, but great.
And I even said before : "Before some smarty pants says inventing and patenting are 2 different things..."
Reading a patent would tell you just that!!! TRY AND CLICK HERE!!
For the lazy one :
"Inventors: Jobs; Steven P. (Palo Alto, CA), Forstall; Scott (Mountain View, CA), Christie; Greg (San Jose, CA), Lemay; Stephen O. (San Francisco, CA)......."
I think it is pretty obvious he is an inventor....
I've been a happy user of Apple products since the '80s, so I have more than enough experience with people who don't like Apple products, which in the modern day has extended to not liking the company itself, and its customers (there are a lot of them, too), and maybe not liking the people who work for it, or the guy who founded it.
I suspect it comes from a strongly-held personal dislike of Apple products or corporate style for one reason or another, an opinion that has been getting clubbed over the head with real-world success and popularity for quite a few years at this point, making people kind of bitter--that happens when how you think the world should work and how it does don't line up.
Personally, I've used enough technology in the past 30-odd years to be able to tell the difference between genuine preference and irrational idealism. And I mean that in both directions. But, hey, this is the internet--irrational idealism is what discussion forums are made of.
Likewise, I have enough of an understanding of human nature and the creative process to understand the difference between success, humanity, and personality, as well as the fact that humans are not static, unchanging creatures who can be defined by their actions or beliefs at a single point in their lives. So it's also fine to have differing opinions of someone based on their humanity, versus their contributions to society, versus their personality, or to weigh things differently within those categories. I think looking at a person as a balanced sum of these various things is most interesting, but hey, this is the internet--being judgmental (positively or negatively) is what discussion forums are made of.
But here's what bothers me: I can no longer tell the difference in discussion forums between people who are playing an exaggerated, irrational caricature of an Apple-hater to troll, and actual Apple-haters. I likewise am having more and more trouble telling whether some of the more extreme Apple fans are really that extreme in their beliefs, or are just someone playing an exaggerated Apple fanboy either to point out how ridiculous they think fanboys are, or to troll people who dislike Apple.
I really can't tell the difference between extremists and trolls anymore. I keep assuming that someone who is expressing a ridiculously overboard or transparently, factually wrong position must be just playing a character, but I really have to wonder.
I have this suspicion that eventually some technology forums will be composed entirely of anti- and pro-Apple trolls getting into flamewars with each other, thinking they're "winning" the lulz contest all the while.
I suspect it comes from a strongly-held personal dislike of Apple products or corporate style for one reason or another, an opinion that has been getting clubbed over the head with real-world success and popularity for quite a few years at this point, making people kind of bitter--that happens when how you think the world should work and how it does don't line up.
Personally, I've used enough technology in the past 30-odd years to be able to tell the difference between genuine preference and irrational idealism. And I mean that in both directions. But, hey, this is the internet--irrational idealism is what discussion forums are made of.
Likewise, I have enough of an understanding of human nature and the creative process to understand the difference between success, humanity, and personality, as well as the fact that humans are not static, unchanging creatures who can be defined by their actions or beliefs at a single point in their lives. So it's also fine to have differing opinions of someone based on their humanity, versus their contributions to society, versus their personality, or to weigh things differently within those categories. I think looking at a person as a balanced sum of these various things is most interesting, but hey, this is the internet--being judgmental (positively or negatively) is what discussion forums are made of.
But here's what bothers me: I can no longer tell the difference in discussion forums between people who are playing an exaggerated, irrational caricature of an Apple-hater to troll, and actual Apple-haters. I likewise am having more and more trouble telling whether some of the more extreme Apple fans are really that extreme in their beliefs, or are just someone playing an exaggerated Apple fanboy either to point out how ridiculous they think fanboys are, or to troll people who dislike Apple.
I really can't tell the difference between extremists and trolls anymore. I keep assuming that someone who is expressing a ridiculously overboard or transparently, factually wrong position must be just playing a character, but I really have to wonder.
I have this suspicion that eventually some technology forums will be composed entirely of anti- and pro-Apple trolls getting into flamewars with each other, thinking they're "winning" the lulz contest all the while.
Actually, it seems Steve Jobs was deadbeat father before and after he got very rich. To be more exact he was already wealthy even when Lisa was born but getting those billions really didn't help much. First, Steve Jobs claimed he was infertile although he and Lisa's mother had their first pregnancy when they where 18 (abortion). Therefore his claims about his infertility were just total bull. When Steve Jobs was finally forced to pay child support he only paid under $400 a month. At some point he even stopped paying and continued only after court ruling. At some point when Lisa had moved in with her father he kicked her out over an argument so Lisa was forced to live with their neighbours. He also stopped paying her tuition fees over an argument at which point the neighbours again saved the day by paying Lisa's tuition fees (It took long time for Steve to pay them back). All in all Steve Jobs was extremely bad father and an all-around ass hole for many. He came up with some very very wonderful products but if there is such thing as Karma (which he believed in) then he truly deserved what was coming.
You are a hypocrite. You dish out and attack the morality of a dead man. And yet get all defensive when someone questions your ethics/values. Hypocrite for sure.You don't even know me, or my name, or what I do, or what I have done.
Yet you accuse me of being bad to my family? *******
Oh and I might not have done something on the scale of jobs but I am involved each day at designing and modeling large buildings and complexes for people
Did you personally know Steve? Or his family? And dramatized semi-fictional made-for-Hollywood movies do not count as "knowing him".
From an apple fan perspective, sure. If your not an apple fan.... I suggest you read the book 1984.... And look at the synonyms above
It's like the get a Mac campaign, on one side of the fence, genius, on the other ... Look at the synonyms above.
Famous or infamous, an excellent commercial though one hell of a low punch at IBM
Bro... With someone with
"The Islamists have an infinite supply of Toyota pickup trucks. This war could take a long time."
In their signature, how's those stones going?
FYI , on this thread the apologists are doing as well as the haters. Lots of people pretending to know jobs..... Hater/apologist = same same but different
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He "didn't know a thing" about software or hardware engineering. My guess is the people who actually worked for him would have something different to say.
