Dave Bautista Joins Apple TV+ Show 'See' for Second Season

[Freida]

So, 500 years = more than 2000 generations? That doesn't make any sense but lets put that aside.
In 500 years the senses development would not be very drastic as you portray in your argument.
Lets put even that aside. Simple thing - yes, he uses clicks for sounds etc. which is all good but if there is a person in front of him and he grabs the hand 100% accurately without any readjustment then that is something I just simply don't buy. I could forgive the solid objects that were placed on a bench (or something) and then a character picks it up correctly (although again, 100 precision but the character would not simply know the angle - look at a table in front of you, locate your mug, close your eyes and ask your partner to just rotate it -> then grab it and lets see if you precisely take it)
Regardless of all that, objects are forgivable as they are a bit more logical but moving characters with 100% precision? Please......
Also, when fighting - how do you know which guy is your team and which is the enemy? The whole concept was just silly.

The fallacy in your perspective is that you’re trying to take a blind person from our vision based society in 2020 and placing them in a future where everyone has been blind for 500 years.

That’s more than 2,000 generations of humans who have always been blind and had more than enough time to apply Darwin’s Theory of Natural Selection.

Those who had advantages through preferential genetic selection are the ones who survived to pass on their genes. In the world we live in today, without having to use any hocus-pocus, there are mammals with adaptions to blindness, the most common of which are heightened auditory senses and echolocation — that includes humans.

In fact, we see it pretty often in the show with characters producing clicks and Baba Voss himself very obviously using sounds to locate his enemies and his position in a space.

The way we are and the world we’ve built has been influenced by being animals with vision. Take that away and we’d adapt our remaining senses around that. This isn’t learned, it simply is our reality and the reality of thousands of generations before us.

That said, this show went from brilliant to feeling like it was being written as they went along. It felt pretty aimless and rushed. The premise holds a lot of potential. It just needs better writing.

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You’ve negated to consider the fact that after several hundred years the human race would have developed heightened awareness of smell and hearing through the lose of sight. This is actually a known fact. When one or more of the senses is lost the brain pays closer attention to the remaining one’s which in turn heightens their sensitivity. After hundreds of years this would have evolved even more greatly. That’s how the human species has evolved and adapted and how all living creatures evolve. So their precision as you put it would make complete sense. You’re comparing an evolved species with today’s. Which is incorrect.
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No you have it wrong. Take out the zombies and the walking dead becomes any story about the human condition in trying environments. That’s the premise of literally every story ever written. And yes See follows that tradition of story telling.

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[ipedro]

So, 500 years = more than 2000 generations? That doesn't make any sense but lets put that aside.
In 500 years the senses development would not be very drastic as you portray in your argument.
Lets put even that aside. Simple thing - yes, he uses clicks for sounds etc. which is all good but if there is a person in front of him and he grabs the hand 100% accurately without any readjustment then that is something I just simply don't buy. I could forgive the solid objects that were placed on a bench (or something) and then a character picks it up correctly (although again, 100 precision but the character would not simply know the angle - look at a table in front of you, locate your mug, close your eyes and ask your partner to just rotate it -> then grab it and lets see if you precisely take it)
Regardless of all that, objects are forgivable as they are a bit more logical but moving characters with 100% precision? Please......
Also, when fighting - how do you know which guy is your team and which is the enemy? The whole concept was just silly.

Pardon, 25 generations in 500 years, not 2000. People in tribal cultures typically have kids at 20, if not younger. 5 generations for every 100 years on average. So between 25 and 30 generations.

Humans today are capable of echolocation. This is a scientific fact, not fiction. Our vision blanks out that sense because it’s much more powerful and takes up a higher priority in the brain. Newly blind people almost immediately start using that ability, even if they had prior vision for a lifetime. Tapping a cane is the most rudimentary version of this. Some, who were always blind build a “visual” world around them with clicks.

Humans are capable of sensing things in proximity outside of our vision. It’s a joke that mothers have eyes behind their heads but it’s based on a real ability for people to sense a presence behind them. We use our sense of hearing and changes in air pressure to “feel” someone behind us. Most of us already do it unknowingly.

It would take no more than a generation to establish the ones who could do this better than others because only those who could, would survive. They’d pass on their genes to offspring who could also do it, improving after each generation.

Vision is just a series of inputs that the visual cortex interprets and creates an image. Yes, our brain creates that image. A significant part of what we see is just made up by what we assume to be there. Sighted people use light reflected off objects to help create this image. Vision impaired people use sound bouncing off objects and into their ears to do the same. Light has a higher fidelity than sound but they augment it with other heightened senses.

With regards to distinguishing enemies from friendlies, if you observe their tactics, it becomes very apparent. Both the friendlies and the enemies maintain an orientation and quickly resume that orientation after disengaging from their individual fights. They routinely reset themselves with a “chet chet” callback.
Each tribe also all have similar features in their clothing, sound making accessories around their necks and facial markings that would be very obvious when just grabbing someone.


The producers have thought of all these details. It’s impressive once you start noticing it. And I’m not really surprised since many of the cast are actually blind or low-vis in real life and there are also blind consultants in the production team who helped to create this world. If you’ve only watched one episode, you won’t have noticed any of this.

Frankly, many of the people in this thread need to watch this TED Talk because there‘s a lot of ignorance about the vision impaired and a perception that they’re all helpless and completely lost without our help.

 

[Glockworkorange]

Uh weird comment. And lame.

It's lame to point out the actor is clearly, clearly on the juice? Okay.

I'd go so far as to tell you if Dave Bautista didn't use steroids, he wouldn't have a job in movies.

It's certainly not his acting ability making him famous.

 

[Freida]

I have watched the whole season with my partner and friends. We all agreed that the show is weak and disappointing.
As for the blindness - I'll check those videos later and will get back to you on that one. I'm still doubtful that you could grab someone else's hand with 100% accuracy, though but I'll save my final judgment for later ;-)

Pardon, 25 generations in 500 years, not 2000. People in tribal cultures typically have kids at 20, if not younger. 5 generations for every 100 years on average. So between 25 and 30 generations.

Humans today are capable of echolocation. This is a scientific fact, not fiction. Our vision blanks out that sense because it’s much more powerful and takes up a higher priority in the brain. Newly blind people almost immediately start using that ability, even if they had prior vision for a lifetime. Tapping a cane is the most rudimentary version of this. Some, who were always blind build a “visual” world around them with clicks.

Humans are capable of sensing things in proximity outside of our vision. It’s a joke that mothers have eyes behind their heads but it’s based on a real ability for people to sense a presence behind them. We use our sense of hearing and changes in air pressure to “feel” someone behind us. Most of us already do it unknowingly.

It would take no more than a generation to establish the ones who could do this better than others because only those who could, would survive. They’d pass on their genes to offspring who could also do it, improving after each generation.

Vision is just a series of inputs that the visual cortex interprets and creates an image. Yes, our brain creates that image. A significant part of what we see is just made up by what we assume to be there. Sighted people use light reflected off objects to help create this image. Vision impaired people use sound bouncing off objects and into their ears to do the same. Light has a higher fidelity than sound but they augment it with other heightened senses.

With regards to distinguishing enemies from friendlies, if you observe their tactics, it becomes very apparent. Both the friendlies and the enemies maintain an orientation and quickly resume that orientation after disengaging from their individual fights. They routinely reset themselves with a “chet chet” callback.
Each tribe also all have similar features in their clothing, sound making accessories around their necks and facial markings that would be very obvious when just grabbing someone.


The producers have thought of all these details. It’s impressive once you start noticing it. And I’m not really surprised since many of the cast are actually blind or low-vis in real life and there are also blind consultants in the production team who helped to create this world. If you’ve only watched one episode, you won’t have noticed any of this.

Frankly, many of the people in this thread need to watch this TED Talk because there‘s a lot of ignorance about the vision impaired and a perception that they’re all helpless and completely lost without our help.

 

[TomaxXamot]

It's lame to point out the actor is clearly, clearly on the juice? Okay.

I'd go so far as to tell you if Dave Bautista didn't use steroids, he wouldn't have a job in movies.

It's certainly not his acting ability making him famous.

Yes it’s lame, especially considering him being on juice or not has nothing to do with the article. Who cares (I guess other than you) if he’s on steroids? He’s not playing a professional sport or competing in the Olympics. Also, he’s funny, which is why people like him, not just because of his physique. But go ahead and judge and point fingers, cool guy!

 

[Freida]

Very impressive to be honest, thank you for posting that.
As for the show, well they didn't "click" that often so that was still a flaw.
Regardless, even if the portray of blindness was 100% accurate the show is still weak overall.
The only thing that was spectacular was (ironically) the visual cinematography.

Pardon, 25 generations in 500 years, not 2000. People in tribal cultures typically have kids at 20, if not younger. 5 generations for every 100 years on average. So between 25 and 30 generations.

Humans today are capable of echolocation. This is a scientific fact, not fiction. Our vision blanks out that sense because it’s much more powerful and takes up a higher priority in the brain. Newly blind people almost immediately start using that ability, even if they had prior vision for a lifetime. Tapping a cane is the most rudimentary version of this. Some, who were always blind build a “visual” world around them with clicks.

Humans are capable of sensing things in proximity outside of our vision. It’s a joke that mothers have eyes behind their heads but it’s based on a real ability for people to sense a presence behind them. We use our sense of hearing and changes in air pressure to “feel” someone behind us. Most of us already do it unknowingly.

It would take no more than a generation to establish the ones who could do this better than others because only those who could, would survive. They’d pass on their genes to offspring who could also do it, improving after each generation.

Vision is just a series of inputs that the visual cortex interprets and creates an image. Yes, our brain creates that image. A significant part of what we see is just made up by what we assume to be there. Sighted people use light reflected off objects to help create this image. Vision impaired people use sound bouncing off objects and into their ears to do the same. Light has a higher fidelity than sound but they augment it with other heightened senses.

With regards to distinguishing enemies from friendlies, if you observe their tactics, it becomes very apparent. Both the friendlies and the enemies maintain an orientation and quickly resume that orientation after disengaging from their individual fights. They routinely reset themselves with a “chet chet” callback.
Each tribe also all have similar features in their clothing, sound making accessories around their necks and facial markings that would be very obvious when just grabbing someone.


The producers have thought of all these details. It’s impressive once you start noticing it. And I’m not really surprised since many of the cast are actually blind or low-vis in real life and there are also blind consultants in the production team who helped to create this world. If you’ve only watched one episode, you won’t have noticed any of this.

Frankly, many of the people in this thread need to watch this TED Talk because there‘s a lot of ignorance about the vision impaired and a perception that they’re all helpless and completely lost without our help.