Dave Lee (Dave2D) review of loaded 15" MB

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by jerryk, Nov 25, 2016.

  1. jerryk macrumors 68040

    Nov 3, 2011
    SF Bay Area
    Dave2D has his review up. He is a 2015 15" rMBP owner, student, and reviewer.

  2. Macalway macrumors 68030

    Aug 7, 2013
  3. kevinkyoo macrumors 6502a


    Feb 5, 2016
    Add onto that takeaway: If you're using Adobe software (Like me with Premiere Pro), there is no reason to get an expensive machine like this because lack of optimization and lack of an NVIDIA gpu
  4. Pootmatoot macrumors 6502a

    Nov 17, 2014
    This is critical in the professional context. Time is money, and the rendering time difference in Adobe (by far the most widely used suite) is getting absurd.
  5. soulreaver99 macrumors 68020


    Aug 15, 2010
    Southern California
    His reviews are awesome. Always appreciate his honesty.
  6. motime macrumors 6502

    Jun 9, 2015
    Good review. I really hope Apple lowers the price and puts in a Nvidia card in the next year or two. This upgrade was pathetic, especially for the touch bar models.
  7. ipponrg macrumors 6502a

    Oct 15, 2008
    One of the cons with this review is he is coming from a 2015 MBP. I would not expect the usual MBP owner to upgrade their MBP every year. I do however like the 2015 MBP compared to the 2016 even though I ordered the 2016. Historically PC laptops have always been specced better than MBPs at the same price point, so not sure why everyone is complaining about that.
  8. AlanShutko macrumors 6502a

    Jun 2, 2008
    I hope Nvidia makes a card that is appropriate for the TDP of these laptops.
  9. rsg1010 macrumors member

    Jan 8, 2014
    What does everyone think of the 2015 15" Macbok Pro as a purchase now that the 2016 models have been released?

    I have contemplating between the TB MBP 13" and the 2015 15" (both base models) and wondering if the extra cash is better spent on the 2015 15" model.

    I would just hate to invest in that kind of money on older tech and not be future proofing myself for at least 4-5 years.
  10. New_Mac_Smell macrumors 68000


    Oct 17, 2016
    You can't really/shouldn't compare Windows and macOS laptops on a purely like for like component. Generally speaking, Windows requires more power to run, and just don't have the optimisation of macOS. As always it comes down to personal taste and software choices, as well as your work environment/office.

    Trouble is the vast majority of consumers just look at specs. I saw today in the Black Friday sales a Windows laptop with an i5, 8GB RAM, and a 512GB HDD, which to the uninformed looks identical to the base 13" MBP.

    Also yes, upgrading yearly just never makes sense unless you have buckets of cash or simply buy them to open them on YouTube. Apple rarely introduce something that massively outperforms a predecessor, and that's one of the things I like. As I know the computer I buy is going to be powerful enough for several years to come, and won't be made obsolete in a years time.
  11. dk808 macrumors 6502a

    May 13, 2015
    Depends on how Apple and other companies implement USB C. The 2016 MBP is only slightly faster than the 2015 so there is not really a reason to upgrade performance wise. However if you want a good graphics card you probably have to go with the 2016
  12. motime, Nov 25, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2016

    motime macrumors 6502

    Jun 9, 2015
    It is a no brainer IMO. If you read the comments on most of the review videos of the new MBPs, the ones with the most likes are the ones saying the 2015 refurbished mbp is way better value for money right now. They are excellent machines. I was previously a PC user who had stalled on buying a MacBook due to the anticipation for this long overdue update. Needless to say it was incredibly disappointing, I would have been much better off purchasing a 2015 mbp last year instead of waiting, but no one could have the predicted the insane price hike, weaker battery, worse keyboard and same CPU performance. I did purchase a refurbished 2015 model over a week ago and I have been very happy with the experience.

    USB C isn't going to take off for at least another year or two, so why torture yourself with dongles for that long? When USB C becomes mainstream, you can sell your older MBP and buy a newer one.
  13. New_Mac_Smell macrumors 68000


    Oct 17, 2016
    It's between the 13" 2016, and the 15" 2015. There's a lot of variables there. If you need the power/size of the 15" but can't afford the 2016, then buy the 2015.
  14. Sanpete macrumors 68020

    Nov 17, 2016
    There is no Nvidia laptop card that will drive two 5K monitors. Some pros consider that ability worth paying for.
  15. Queen6 macrumors 604


    Dec 11, 2008
    Land of the Unexpected
    IMHO Dave2D is correct with his assessment, too much has been sacrificed for the sake of the aesthetic, at too high a price point. If you can work in Apple`s bubble likely all will be good, if not trade offs are apparent...

  16. dk808 macrumors 6502a

    May 13, 2015
    2015 15 inch is probably the better deal then
  17. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 601


    Jul 4, 2015
    If you're using Premiere then you should be using a PC/Bootcamp anyway. Media Encoder was up to 4 times faster in Windows in tests we did on the Mac Pro forum. Same machine, same config, same settings.
  18. KohPhiPhi, Nov 25, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2016

    KohPhiPhi macrumors 6502a

    Feb 9, 2011
    I own the 2016 MBP 15", and I agree 100% with Dave 2D's keypoints:

    • The build quality is amazing.
    • The screen is amazing.
    • They keyboard, once you get familiar with it, is amazing.
    • The trackpad is too large. Unnecessarily so.
    • The dongle thing is really not that much of a deal.
    • Touchbar is a gimmick, I hardly ever use it because my eye focus should be on the screen, not the keyboard.
    • Specs are not in the same level as a top tier Windows laptop.
    • It is too expensive.
  19. koyoot macrumors 603


    Jun 5, 2012
    What you will have on Apple platform when there is no Nvidia GPU and all software has to migrate to Metal?

    I mean ALL software.
  20. Donoban macrumors 65816


    Sep 7, 2013
    Spot on. These 3 words summarise this 8 min video.

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