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David Pogue: New iMacs and Mac Pros Coming 'Probably in 2013' [Update]
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It means it'll be announced in WWDC next year.
They used up this year to announce the next-gen MacBook Pro.. they'll use next year to announce the next-gen Mac Pro.
I bet they announce new Retina 30" displays as well next year.
This is ridiculous
This is insane, does it take that much to at-least just put in some new processor and ram in the iMac and update it.
This is insane, does it take that much to at-least just put in some new processor and ram in the iMac and update it.
"People simply don't understand that Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits in their field."
You missed my edit "in your field" because of your and a couple of others' reflexive comments.
Apple spends tens of billions of dollars on factories and supply chains and labor in many countries far from the USA so they can make the product at all, much less at an economical price.
This is not irrational behavior.
And whether or not I wear a tin hat, am paranoid, or they really are out to get me, or if the tin hat retains the last few valuable electrons in my orbit, the above is still true.
We have seen smart phones and cell networks and social apps make astounding impact on country civil revolt, and even on things in advanced countries.
We have seen the Facebook offering crash and burn and Apple rise from the ashes once or twice.
At some point the fact Apple was there for it matters.
If I have to wear a tin hat while saying it, I am fine with that, but I will look phunnie.
I hope you had fun piling on.
Pretty much. My crew is looking at HP Workstations given the lack of any attention given to the Mac Pro line. We can run Cinema4D and Adobe Apps on a Windows machine with few issues, so that seems to be the direction we're headed unless Apple can change our minds in the next 6 months. Unlikely.
How do you keep an apple fan boy in suspense?
By promising a product that probably won't appear!
I got off the Mac pro wagon a couple years ago knowing the Mac pro wasn't going to stay around much longer. Loved my 2008 Mac pro. Couldn't afford the newer models so built myself. No issues on software running on win7. Just as stable as OS X. Would suggest folks see the writing and move on to another platform, or suck it up with the latest Mac pros available now. But the end is near, if not already here for the Mac pro.
By promising a product that probably won't appear!
I got off the Mac pro wagon a couple years ago knowing the Mac pro wasn't going to stay around much longer. Loved my 2008 Mac pro. Couldn't afford the newer models so built myself. No issues on software running on win7. Just as stable as OS X. Would suggest folks see the writing and move on to another platform, or suck it up with the latest Mac pros available now. But the end is near, if not already here for the Mac pro.
Apple has became one of the most profitable corporations in the world and most of the profit is due to the consumer electronics iDevice products. I believe Apple is also planning on exiting the desktop space in the next few years except for possibly continuing to offer an iMac.
Are we at the point where notebook computers are powerful and robust enough to be used as a main computer by professionals? I'm not sure, but I think Apple thinks that is where the future is heading.
I don't see the actual computer companies like Dell and HP exiting this market, but they have no choice because they don't have a successful consumer electronics line like Apple does.
Like it or not the iPhone and iPad and the insane profits they can produce has changed Apple. Some would argue for the better and some for the worse, but it is what it is. A corporation exists for one reason and that is to increase wealth for shareholders. To make any decision that does not result in maximum profit is not a good corporate decision.
Are we at the point where notebook computers are powerful and robust enough to be used as a main computer by professionals? I'm not sure, but I think Apple thinks that is where the future is heading.
I don't see the actual computer companies like Dell and HP exiting this market, but they have no choice because they don't have a successful consumer electronics line like Apple does.
Like it or not the iPhone and iPad and the insane profits they can produce has changed Apple. Some would argue for the better and some for the worse, but it is what it is. A corporation exists for one reason and that is to increase wealth for shareholders. To make any decision that does not result in maximum profit is not a good corporate decision.
>> don't worry as we're working on something really great for later next year
Agh. "For LATER NEXT year". Wow, was that supposed to be encouraging? I'm utterly disappointed in this WWDC. Looks like all attention is on iOS and that's that.
It's now a typical business -- deliver in markets that bring in most profit. Apple's PC vision is down-the-drain IMO. If Apple was committed to its Mac community, there would be a major update today at WWDC. They have Retina technology, they have Thunderbolt technology, putting these in other devices but not the Mac.
Agh. "For LATER NEXT year". Wow, was that supposed to be encouraging? I'm utterly disappointed in this WWDC. Looks like all attention is on iOS and that's that.
It's now a typical business -- deliver in markets that bring in most profit. Apple's PC vision is down-the-drain IMO. If Apple was committed to its Mac community, there would be a major update today at WWDC. They have Retina technology, they have Thunderbolt technology, putting these in other devices but not the Mac.
People need to understand that the processes of editing and compositing video consist of many compromises based on the capabilities of current hardware. This means that as soon as hardware becomes more powerful there is always a laundry list of better/faster/higher quality ways to accomplish a goal that become adopted, integrated into software, and expected by clients. This is why there is never 'enough' power, and why after 5 years of doing basically the same fundamental types of tasks, you will always find a machine/workstation becoming 'slow' compared to the current demands and expectations. Just resolution scaling alone will keep hardware forever playing catch up. Maybe one day this will slow, but we're not there yet.
This is wholly separate from the issue of Apple trying to pass this antiquated machine off as viable by today's workstation standards. People who think its only about the CPU spec don't know what they're talking about. The whole logic board/io/buss/ram situation is terrible compared to what's currently available everywhere else. If you think this machine looks bad now, it will look ridiculous in a year.
This is wholly separate from the issue of Apple trying to pass this antiquated machine off as viable by today's workstation standards. People who think its only about the CPU spec don't know what they're talking about. The whole logic board/io/buss/ram situation is terrible compared to what's currently available everywhere else. If you think this machine looks bad now, it will look ridiculous in a year.
If you rely on C4d, Windows all the way. The open gl performance is WAY better. Get yourself a good single GPU gaming videocard (nothing that is basically two cards in one) and Cinema 4d runs a million times faster than my macs ever did.
You'll never have to ask someone about a mac version of a C4d plugin, that's for sure.
Man, I'm glad I got out of the Apple game a few years ago. I've still got tons of Macs lying around and I love to use them, but they just have not released any compelling desktop computers recently. There is only one explanation for letting the iMac and Mac Pro languish for this long. Apple is getting out of the desktop business, though I imagine that they will be killing off the Mac Pro first.
Apple could have brought me back into the fold with a nice Macbook Pro upgrade, but I already see the writing on the wall. Non-upgradable RAM and storage are the future for Apple and that is simply a deal-breaker for me. There's no way that I'm going to shell out that much cash for a laptop, pay the Apple Tax for any upgrades, and then be forced into another purchase down the road when a simple RAM and SSD upgrade would have sufficed. Sorry Apple. We had a great run, but I don't see any Mac purchases in my future.
Apple could have brought me back into the fold with a nice Macbook Pro upgrade, but I already see the writing on the wall. Non-upgradable RAM and storage are the future for Apple and that is simply a deal-breaker for me. There's no way that I'm going to shell out that much cash for a laptop, pay the Apple Tax for any upgrades, and then be forced into another purchase down the road when a simple RAM and SSD upgrade would have sufficed. Sorry Apple. We had a great run, but I don't see any Mac purchases in my future.
A new Mac pro " Probably coming in 2013 "
Don't bother Apple. The Pro's know you don't give a damn. They'll all be gone by the time you bring that thing out.
Don't bother Apple. The Pro's know you don't give a damn. They'll all be gone by the time you bring that thing out.
This is one BIG joke I am sure and us Pros are the butt end of it. How can is possibly take until "sometime" in 2013 for a real updated Mac Pro? All the parts are out now and will have been out for at least 1 1/2 years or more by then. Not to mention the fact even if they did update, those will be older parts by then and you could've been using them for some time already with a Windows workstation.
I for one don't believe this at all and have a hard time believing this report or Pogue about any of it. Apple has been loud and clear by remaining silent for so long. Had they intended on keeping the Mac Pro and their PRO users, they would have at least made a statement at the WWDC saying they had something really big in the works that won't be out for a while but they did NOT forget about us PRO users and know we are out there. What do we get instead, nothing, zero, no response at all about the PRO market.
Too little, too late, it's over and that's clear more than ever.
I for one don't believe this at all and have a hard time believing this report or Pogue about any of it. Apple has been loud and clear by remaining silent for so long. Had they intended on keeping the Mac Pro and their PRO users, they would have at least made a statement at the WWDC saying they had something really big in the works that won't be out for a while but they did NOT forget about us PRO users and know we are out there. What do we get instead, nothing, zero, no response at all about the PRO market.
Too little, too late, it's over and that's clear more than ever.
They are putting Thunderbolt and Retina technology in the Macs. The iMac has had Thunderbolt for a year and I would expect it to get a Retina display at some point, but for now I agree their focus is the iDevices and to a lesser extent the portable Macs. The desktops are a smaller and less significant market to Apple at this point.
I love my iMac and when I want to use a computer at home it is by far my first choice, but people like me who prefer doing their main computing on a larger desktop are becoming a dying breed.
One thing Apple has going for it is loyalty. They know that a simple promise of something new coming later next year will keep people around. Honestly even if new iMacs and Mac Pros don't come for another year how many of you will actually buy a Windows PC desktop or tower? Probably very very few. Apple knows they can focus on their main consumer products business and as long as they throw a cookie to their Mac customers now and then they will keep coming back. That is a wildly profitable concept. Being able to focus most of your energy on the most profitable parts of your business while still retaining customers with little investment on your least profitable business is a corporations dream come true.
When the Mac-Mini had a geekbench score better than a 3 year prior Mac Pro I was already convinced. After that it was all about product positioning and expandability.
Then Apple decommissioned the servers. And delayed the Pros, and now officially for another year after a minor update.
As I have posted for a few years now I think the world is reverting to client server. Like the 70's. Thin client, thick cloud. It may very well be your next MacPro is a server farm in NC or OR with processes initiated on your iPad or MacBookAir.
A MacPro of any merit costs $5000. Do you have any idea how many minutes you can rent on a 30 CPU server for that?
Rocketman
You are exactly right. You can use Sandy Bridge on the Ivy Bridge Z77 platform but NOT the Sandy Bridge-E processors which is what the next generation of Xeon processors are built on. They for socket 2011 not 1155. Also the Z77 chipset does not support dual sockets. All I am saying is Intel didn't deliver to Apple so its not really their fault in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, it sucks for us but I don't think there was anything Apple could of done.
I wanted to see a mac pro update more than anything, sadly I think what your seeing is Intel holding Apple back on the professional level. There upgrades have been weak for the most part, Intel doesn't have much new to offer. Intel works from the bottom up instead of top down, because they have no reason not to, they have no competition. It just so happens that the hurt falls on Apple's pro user base. Pretty lame on Apple's part considering that same base kept them a float through there toughest times. 3 yr wait for a hardware upgrade was the same reason Apple left IBM in 2006, now we're back at the same place with Intel, but this time its tolerable and acceptable. The Mac Pro should always be Apple's most advanced newest everything cutting edge machine, now they have the Dell approach, with minimal marginal line updates and even that cant be delivered. Apple should rename themselves to Apple Mobile Inc.
Yep.
Intel isn't ready for a major Mac Pro upgrade this year, and, besides, the current models are just fine.
No one is complaining about the current Mac Pro. It's still a fast machine.
Did you forget to take your meds today? I'm being serious. What does Facebook of all things, have to do with what Apple is doing with a MP?
Sandy Bridge boards do have USB 3.0 but its not native to the z68 chipset. The usb 3.0 controllers are from other companies like NEC. As far as I know Apple doesn't do this with their logic boards. Everything is Intel based in terms of the I/O.
Every major OEM has a Sandy Bridge-E server, except Apple. Unless Intel has some super secret technology that it will only give to Apple, Intel is already ready.
I think it's because Mac Pro buyers, who are pretty much video editors, have no real reason to upgrade their existing Mac Pro.
Apple doesn't cater to the server or scientific or financial markets, so that doesn't matter.
Video is still the same 1080P they've been using a decade ago. No one is recording with 4k yet. So, no real reason for Apple to upgrade their Mac Pros until people start recording 4k, or if they decide to serve up other markets.
Right now every other usage is covered by the MacBoo Pros.
They are secretly building a MP line with ARM processors, considering what they having toying with OSX and iOS. Rack-mount for server will not be far off. As far as graphics performance is concerned, 8 to 16 of those imbedded chips from iPad 3 could out-perform gtx670.
As compared to what? Yes, it may be relatively fast, but the components are practically ancient. The graphics card was a mid-range part when it came out 3 YEARS AGO. Combine that with a premium price and this update is dead in the water.