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David Pogue: New iMacs and Mac Pros Coming 'Probably in 2013' [Update]

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1) Repeat
2) Troll

The *new* Mac Pro is a pretty poor effort, seriously how can Apple consider an standard build o a 5770 as "professional" graphics card. It's not, thus it looks like a my next computer is going to be a Boxxtech with CentOS 5 because I need a beefy graphics card and a 5770 is pretty darn poor for geospatial graphics.
 
raid missing

i've noticed that apple's raid card is no longer being offered as an option with the new mac pros
 
faroZ06 said:
Who ever said that hard drives = pro? That is completely wrong. The only people I know with SSDs are rich kids with MacBook Airs and pros with Mac Pros that have SSDs in them.

A good combo is: small SSD for documents and OS, big fat hard drive for storage of music and video.
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I can't disagree with you, but a big fat hard drive attached to a Thunderbolt port works really well.
 
Eidorian said:
Not to mention 40 on a single socket or EIGHTY (80) PCI-Express 3.0 lanes on a dual to play with under Sandy Bridge-E.

There is no lack of money, bandwidth, and lanes for all (8-12) USB 3.0 ports on a Mac Pro in addition to FireWire and Thunderbolt.


Thunderbolt is still a chipset, controller, and logic pathing issue and not a processor one. You can run a Sandy Bridge processor on that fancy new Z77 board and use Thunderbolt just fine.
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This is why I think Apple is doing something completely different. Because, yes, they could slap a Pro like the current ones together with upgraded parts. Whenever Apple leaves a product to stagnant they're either about to kill it or they're going to completely redesign it. Apple has repeatedly denied they're ignoring the Pro market. So I doubt they're going to kill the segment (or they're looking to destroy the company). Where the problem comes is how are they redesigning it?
 
zemoleman said:
No excuse for Tim Cook/Apple not giving us whatever they are planning TODAY.
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You can't really say that unless you know what they are planning to give us. It's not Apple's style to pre announce hardware. especially if they don't know when it will release and they might not yet. They could be waiting for some particular amazing component that isn't ready yet, or at least not at the scale they need.
 
nonsense - why is Intel selling Sandy Bridge motherboards with USB 3.0?

Mak47 said:
Add to that, they're Sandy Bridge generation processors. They'll support Thunderbolt, but not USB 3.0. Who in their right mind is going to spend thousands more and still not have USB 3.0?
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This is nonsense.

Sandy Bridge doesn't have a T-Bolt controller on the chipset - you need a fairly large discrete controller.

Sandy Bridge doesn't have a USB 3.0 controller on the chipset - you need a fairly small discrete controller.

Intel SB motherboards have USB 3.0 - which blows your argument out of the water...
 
Simple lack of understanding

People simply don't understand that Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits in their field. They are under political attack in their home country on labor, regulations, taxation, and criminality, so must adjust.

You are lucky you are getting any computers at all, and the only thing saving Apple is the very social change they and their peers, and their app developers, are generating, out of thin air.

The world currently hates and wants to kill private innovation. Somebody has to blast back.

Rocketman
 
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feels like a poor attempt at damage control by a paid shill. i see Apple only cares about selling baubles to the hapless consumer.
 
I'm pretty amazed (though I probably shouldn't be, I should know better) that there are people actually defending Apple, either shoveling the poo about how Apple had to do this, Intel just doesn't have the CPUs ready (which is a lie) or that they are too expensive (which is dumb, because they aren't really too expensive when one makes good money from using them) or the best one yet:

Why do you need a faster Mac Pro?

How could anyone be so dumbly kowtowing to Apple's idiocy?

A-mazing.

Anyway, Intel Sandybridge E5-2600 (dual sockets) are available for ~200-2000 dollars a piece (e.g. the 2000 dollar one is the eight core 2.2 GHz, a 6 core goes for 500 dollars or so)

A USB3 controller chip is available for the Mac Pro sandybridge motherboard if Apple would be at all interested.

Thunderbolt is supported natively from Intel.

And my oh my GPUs have come a long way since 2009, Apple.

I'm amazed someone is defending this - but even more amazed that the same people are just questioning the way people use their machines and what they can afford!

"you're using it wrong" is the extent of that argument :rolleyes:
 
Wow. Just wow!

Rocketman said:
People simply don't understand that Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits. They are under political attack in their home country on labor, regulations, taxation, and criminality, so must adjust.

You are lucky you are getting any computers at all, and the only thing saving Apple is the very social change they and their peers, and their app developers, are generating, out of thin air.

The world currently hates and wants to kill private innovation. Somebody has to blast back.

Rocketman
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tin-foil-hat.jpg
 
Rocketman said:
People simply don't understand that Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits. They are under political attack in their home country on labor, regulations, taxation, and criminality, so must adjust.

You are lucky you are getting any computers at all, and the only thing saving Apple is the very social change they and their peers, and their app developers, are generating, out of thin air.

The world currently hates and wants to kill private innovation. Somebody has to blast back.

Rocketman
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Just when I thought some people on Engadget deserved the king bonehead crown I see we have an heir to the throne. If Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits it's a wonder ANYTHING gets manufactured.
 
We're working on something really great for later next year:

A statue of Tim Cook pissing on a fanboy huddling a Mac pro with a long grey beard on it.
 
wikus said:
You can forget about an iMac with a matte screen. I guarantee you that will not happen anytime soon, if ever.
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I don't see what's so great about iMacs with matte screens. Also, do the 2006 and earlier models count as "matte"?
 
faroZ06 said:
I don't understand this hype about upgrading computers. In 2008, pros used 2008 computers. Why do they suddenly need faster processors?
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Def. will know not to hire you, with your 2008 expertise. Its like saying why upgrade from Pentium 2. What do you do on a computer now that you couldnt do on the one from before?!
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Not meaning to either
1) Repeat
2) Troll

The *new* Mac Pro is a pretty poor effort, seriously how can Apple consider an standard build o a 5770 as "professional" graphics card. It's not, thus it looks like a my next computer is going to be a Boxxtech with CentOS 5 because I need a beefy graphics card and a 5770 is pretty darn poor for geospatial graphics.
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Just for the record, the Radeon HD 5770 was actually never a professional graphics card, it was a sub-200 dollar effort from AMD.

The RRP of the 5770 was around $160. It was a decent budget card and nothing to be ashamed of, but even in 2009 when it was released, it was far from being professional grade in any possible sense of the word.


:D
 
Rocketman said:
People simply don't understand that Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits. They are under political attack in their home country on labor, regulations, taxation, and criminality, so must adjust.

You are lucky you are getting any computers at all, and the only thing saving Apple is the very social change they and their peers, and their app developers, are generating, out of thin air.

The world currently hates and wants to kill private innovation. Somebody has to blast back.

Rocketman
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This makes no sense.
 
MPQholygrail said:
Not going to happen, I’m not trolling but just looking for some hard Financial Data that suggests this actually affects A QUANTIFIABLE amount of professionals. Again, the key point here is Professionals not Prosumers.
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You probably won't find it because it's not true. At least not to some large group.

Real Pros are flexible and inventive. They use the tools they need and don't fuss over specifics. If Final Cut Pro running on an iMac routing to a $1000 PC running Linux as a render box gets the job done, that's what they will set up. Real pros also do things like over estimate how long a project will take. And then they look amazing when they get it finished a bit early.
 
Rocketman said:
People simply don't understand that Apple has maxed out the entire world's manufacturing capacity and technical limits. They are under political attack in their home country on labor, regulations, taxation, and criminality, so must adjust.

You are lucky you are getting any computers at all, and the only thing saving Apple is the very social change they and their peers, and their app developers, are generating, out of thin air.

The world currently hates and wants to kill private innovation. Somebody has to blast back.

Rocketman
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AidenShaw said:
tin-foil-hat.jpg
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While some people think a tin foil hat keeps brainwashing rays out, I believe it contains the stupid thoughts to prevent mass infection.
 
big-tdi-guy said:
you know what would instill faith? Apple telling pro users that they will continue to support them. Its not like that information would benefit the competitors to any significant degree, and i'm positive it would put the minds of those who depend on this tool for a living, at ease.

Getting this info exclusively from third parties borders on insulting.
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amen!!!!
 
Our pro customers are really important to us...don't worry as we're working on something really great for later next year.
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Later NEXT year? How about early next year? Or later THIS year?

Talk about making bad worse. He shouldn't have replied like that. Better to have treated her like he treated my email: keep it shut buddy. Now people are way more pissed off than just a few hours before now. Unreal.
 
MacRumors quoting a supposedly Tim Cook said:
Our pro customers are really important to us...don't worry as we're working on something really great for later next year.
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So a developer with a 2006-era Mac Pro, which the upcoming Mountain Lion does not officially support, is supposed to wait around for up to a year and a half on Lion while Apple decides to update their desktops?

No thanks, I already see the light: Switch to a line that is actually updated at least once a year so when you need to update your hardware to use the newest software you can actually get some value out of it. Then I can avoid playing this stupid "wait up to 3 years or buy 2 year old hardware at premium cost" game.
 
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